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zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 09 2014 20:34 GMT
#4441
nightblue used to be one of those two gate zealot rush junglers who mained maokai and would do the dumbest shit to try to get ahead. Before him I had never seen someone walk up to mid lane and flash root a Xerath pre lv6 just to get FB.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23401 Posts
February 09 2014 20:36 GMT
#4442
what?
maokai flash ganks mid were like one of the main reasons he was good
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 09 2014 20:43 GMT
#4443
Especially pre-6 since his ganking doesn't really improve from his ult (or rather, it's already good without it; obv. now with Lee, Elise, etc. ganking with way more damage and some cc all while being able to clear, he can't keep up).

Maokai/J4/Xin and their level 2 each game every game.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
February 09 2014 20:51 GMT
#4444
On February 10 2014 05:26 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 04:36 Paljas wrote:
On February 10 2014 01:46 Ketara wrote:
I think it's pretty hard to argue that pro players smurfing and doing these bronze to challenger grinds or whatever repeatedly isn't ruining games for people who are legitimately trying to improve.

IMO Riot should be banning accounts any time a streamer tries to do that, but that's just me. I feel like the integrity of the ranking system is more important than the popularity of the streamers.

It's a complicated topic though.

rofl
are you serious?


Why wouldn't I be serious?

If you're a challenger level player and you're purposefully playing in Silver ELO to get stream views from stomping new players?

Yes, that should be bannable. I'd like to see you argue how that's different from ELO boosting or intentional griefing.

its different from elo boosting cause its not actually elo boosting. and yes, it possibly ruins the game for some people when they get rofl stomped, but that necessarily is true everytime someone levels up a smurf.
and unless you want to prevent people from having a smurf, there is no way to know whether a guy plays in silver just to fuck with people/get viewers or whether he is just leveling a smurf/does a tutorial or some shit.
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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 20:57:41
February 09 2014 20:56 GMT
#4445
There's a way to know if he's streaming it, obviously. You just watch the stream.

I think there are legitimate uses of smurfs by high level players, which is why it's complicated. But I think those uses mostly revolve around privacy and streaming yourself on the smurf account by and large turns it from a legitimate use into griefing other people. Just my opinion.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
February 09 2014 20:59 GMT
#4446
those accounts are also always gifted by viewers.

Or do you think the streamers level accounts with 50 champs and 6 rune pages in their off time?
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 09 2014 21:10 GMT
#4447
dont really see the point of watching a diamond guy in bronze.
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
dae
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada1600 Posts
February 09 2014 21:17 GMT
#4448
On February 10 2014 06:10 oneofthem wrote:
dont really see the point of watching a diamond guy in bronze.


Its not that, its a Diamond 1/challenger player in diamond 4/5. Large enough skill gap to stomp, yet not that much thats its a joke.
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 09 2014 21:19 GMT
#4449
Yo what's the math on archmage vs Devastating strike? So far I always only took 1 point in archmage because it provides 2% AP and each additional point only 1.5 but I was looking at some faker runes/masteries on probuilds (not sure how accurate they are) and he takes 3/3 archmage and only 2/3 Hybrid pen.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 21:22:55
February 09 2014 21:22 GMT
#4450
Would depend on the champion and item build.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
February 09 2014 21:58 GMT
#4451
he takes it on every ap caster from what I've seen.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-09 22:25:00
February 09 2014 22:22 GMT
#4452
Lets say I'm doing 2000 points of damage and I've got 700 AP before Archmage. I've got a void staff, sorc shoes and hybrid pen runes. I am pulling these numbers completely out of my ass btw.

vs. 100 MR I'm doing 71.37% damage with 3 points hybrid pen, 70.72% damage with 2 points.

That's a difference of 13 damage. So in this situation in order for 1 point of Archmage to be better I'd need about 200% AP ratio on my skill combo. That's fairly common.


Again, it's going to depend on the scenario (and enemy MR), but my bullshit numbers I think are conservative for a 6 item AP caster, so I imagine if you plugged in real champion numbers you'd find that at full build Archmage is probably adding more damage.

Obviously not as good in the early/mid game, though.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
February 09 2014 22:34 GMT
#4453
On February 10 2014 04:09 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 04:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Everytime I watch Robert, he buys a Zhonyas on his ADC.

Vayne? Zhonyas.

There is some basis to ADC zhonyas, sort of but it's mostly robertxlee screwing around (Though you can find some advocates for ADC zhonyas if you look around)

I'll always get it if im uber stomping to make silly poses when they focus me.

It did help me survive a fed Lux combo on Draven yesterday tho.

As soon as i ate the snare and the rest of the skills came out i just Zhonyas lol
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 09 2014 23:03 GMT
#4454
On February 10 2014 05:36 Slayer91 wrote:
what?
maokai flash ganks mid were like one of the main reasons he was good


i meant to say dive, he'd flash dive mid when he has no idea where the other jungler is
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 09 2014 23:32 GMT
#4455
On February 10 2014 07:34 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 04:09 Fusilero wrote:
On February 10 2014 04:08 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Everytime I watch Robert, he buys a Zhonyas on his ADC.

Vayne? Zhonyas.

There is some basis to ADC zhonyas, sort of but it's mostly robertxlee screwing around (Though you can find some advocates for ADC zhonyas if you look around)

I'll always get it if im uber stomping to make silly poses when they focus me.

It did help me survive a fed Lux combo on Draven yesterday tho.

As soon as i ate the snare and the rest of the skills came out i just Zhonyas lol


If you Zhonyas on draven underneath a falling Axe, does it catch the axe?
Freeeeeeedom
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
February 09 2014 23:45 GMT
#4456
On February 10 2014 06:17 dae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 10 2014 06:10 oneofthem wrote:
dont really see the point of watching a diamond guy in bronze.


Its not that, its a Diamond 1/challenger player in diamond 4/5. Large enough skill gap to stomp, yet not that much thats its a joke.



It's a joke, because that person is still playing outside of his actual skill-range just to get viewers.
hi
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23401 Posts
February 09 2014 23:47 GMT
#4457
people like to see players dominating, if you can dominate at your elo like froggen used to//hotshot used to on his tryhard spreees/bjergsen and turtle do now etcetc you will get tons more viewers than people playing on lower elo and dominating but nobody wants to watc someone feed
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
February 09 2014 23:58 GMT
#4458
Who said anything about feeding? Everyone has their slip-ups once in a while, but you can still pull off a fair amount of entertainment, even in games that isn't filled with "omg this guy so gud, 10-0 heimer new meta" etc.

It's okay to step down in skill-level, if there was a purpose other than "look at me, i can beat people who statistically should get beaten by me".
hi
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23401 Posts
February 10 2014 00:00 GMT
#4459
its about entertainment, watching people do well in games is more entertaining just like doing well in games is more entertaining than doing average/feeding/doing slightly well anything below that
watching someones death screen is no fun at all and then all the walknig back to lane, dying again, being ineffectual in teamfights, none of it is fun to watch
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
February 10 2014 00:05 GMT
#4460
I don't get it. Death screen, walking back to lane, dying multiple times, those things happen in nearly every fucking game that's played. Sorry i don't see the connection here, other than fan boys desperately wanting to become as good at the game as the streamer they are watching, but fails to do so, because they are watching said streamer in the first place and learn close to nothing.
hi
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