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On February 06 2014 09:03 MooMooMugi wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 08:57 ArchAngelSC wrote:
Okay guys please can someone tell me why anyone would ever jungle elise? She has got to be one of THE WORST CHAMPS I've ever jungled with.
I tried her out a while back, hated her so I dropped her. Just tried to use her again and remembered why she is sooo bad.
Low damage, crap ganks, only form of cc is easily dodged, and once you go in and blow your weak ass combo you just sit there looking like a tool while you get destroyed. I hope this is sarcastic because shes one of the top picked junglers right now along with Vi, Wukong, and KhaZix lol...
Which I don't get. She is so useless.
Vi does crazy damage with an amazing initiation ult and high mobility.
Kha'zix is... well Kha'zix. An assassin with resets with huge damage.
Olaf does high damage while building pure tank with an ult that makes him unstoppable.
Elise.... Does fuck all.
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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
can you hit cocoon? i'm guessing no
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Even if you cant hit a cocoons at all elise is still pretty good.
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Skillshot-less combo: QWRQW rightclick. Before the rightclick you've done more than a third of their health, if they're squishy and you're around level 9 you've done way more than half.
I don't get how you find her damage crappy when she can do that without you needing anything more than push the buttons, and without itemising for damage (she's still building semi-tanky when she has sorcs+guise+golem anyway).
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first crit is op and bad mechanic
now elise is a bad champ
what in the actual world
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I've seen elise in ogn do like 70% of a squishies health with like sorc boots golem stone. Her everything is pretty much top tier apart from like dueling a leesin or like xin or something else like that.
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i dont know how to explain to you how insane elise's kit is for ganking. best lane gank champ, best tower dive kit, an execute. what more could you ask for :O
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On February 06 2014 09:10 Alaric wrote:
Skillshot-less combo: QWRQW rightclick. Before the rightclick you've done more than a third of their health, if they're squishy and you're around level 9 you've done way more than half.
I don't get how you find her damage crappy when she can do that without you needing anything more than push the buttons, and without itemising for damage (she's still building semi-tanky when she has sorcs+guise+golem anyway).
That's the build I was doing and did MAYBE 1/3 hp damage if I was lucky on squishies.
Also for ganking you have to start in spider form which means your Q > Q combo is suboptimal.
On February 06 2014 09:14 turdburgler wrote:
i dont know how to explain to you how insane elise's kit is for ganking. best lane gank champ, best tower dive kit, an execute. what more could you ask for :O
True she is good for tower dives. I'll give her that.
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Cant tell if were all getting baited to his troll
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So I haven't played much since Season 3 ended. From what I've been understanding from watching tournaments there are only a couple champions truly viable for a lane.... and none of them are champions I've actually used/practiced. My list right now is Jinx/Lucian for ADC, Leblanc/Gragas/Ziggs for mid, Elise/Olaf/Lee Sin(?)/Kha'Zix (?) for Jungle, Annie/Thresh/Leona for Support and Mundo/Renek/Shyv/Wuk for Top. My question is this, are Jinx/Lucian worth buying if I have to fill an ADC in solo queue or can I half ass it with something like Cait/Vayne/Ez still? (since it seems my old Corki/Ashe mains are borked) Also, are champions like Orianna (slower, more control based champs) still viable or will I just get dumped on in the solo lanes/jungle?
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On February 06 2014 09:14 ArchAngelSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 09:10 Alaric wrote:
Skillshot-less combo: QWRQW rightclick. Before the rightclick you've done more than a third of their health, if they're squishy and you're around level 9 you've done way more than half.
I don't get how you find her damage crappy when she can do that without you needing anything more than push the buttons, and without itemising for damage (she's still building semi-tanky when she has sorcs+guise+golem anyway). That's the build I was doing and did MAYBE 1/3 hp damage if I was lucky on squishies. Also for ganking you have to start in spider form which means your Q > Q combo is suboptimal. Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 09:14 turdburgler wrote:
i dont know how to explain to you how insane elise's kit is for ganking. best lane gank champ, best tower dive kit, an execute. what more could you ask for :O
True she is good for tower dives. I'll give her that.
That's what you're doing wrong. Don't start in spider form for ganks. Lead with human form. Human Q+W. Go into spider execute with Spider Q. Somewhere in there throw a cocoon and hope it hits.
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On February 06 2014 09:20 las91 wrote:
So I haven't played much since Season 3 ended. From what I've been understanding from watching tournaments there are only a couple champions truly viable for a lane.... and none of them are champions I've actually used/practiced. My list right now is Jinx/Lucian for ADC, Leblanc/Gragas/Ziggs for mid, Elise/Olaf/Lee Sin(?)/Kha'Zix (?) for Jungle, Annie/Thresh/Leona for Support and Mundo/Renek/Shyv/Wuk for Top. My question is this, are Jinx/Lucian worth buying if I have to fill an ADC in solo queue or can I half ass it with something like Cait/Vayne/Ez still? (since it seems my old Corki/Ashe mains are borked) Also, are champions like Orianna (slower, more control based champs) still viable or will I just get dumped on in the solo lanes/jungle?
Cait is always easy and still very viable...so is EZ...you dont HAVE to play jinx/lucian they are just pretty good atm...and a good Ori is always viable
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On February 06 2014 09:21 Yezzus wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 09:20 las91 wrote:
So I haven't played much since Season 3 ended. From what I've been understanding from watching tournaments there are only a couple champions truly viable for a lane.... and none of them are champions I've actually used/practiced. My list right now is Jinx/Lucian for ADC, Leblanc/Gragas/Ziggs for mid, Elise/Olaf/Lee Sin(?)/Kha'Zix (?) for Jungle, Annie/Thresh/Leona for Support and Mundo/Renek/Shyv/Wuk for Top. My question is this, are Jinx/Lucian worth buying if I have to fill an ADC in solo queue or can I half ass it with something like Cait/Vayne/Ez still? (since it seems my old Corki/Ashe mains are borked) Also, are champions like Orianna (slower, more control based champs) still viable or will I just get dumped on in the solo lanes/jungle? Cait is always easy and still very viable...so is EZ...you dont HAVE to play jinx/lucian they are just pretty good atm...and a good Ori is always viable
Thanks, just a bit worried about being completely behind the meta since I was going to do some solo queue tonight for the first time since like early December.
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Is it my ISP shitting me, or the goddamn EUW servers dying again?
Edit: looks like ISP shitting me. It dc's at 3:00 AM but that one's unexpected, welp.
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Netherlands45349 Posts
Patents always confuse me.
Edit: Not why patents exist but rather how they sometimes work and sometimes don't and everyone is sueing each other over it.
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On February 06 2014 09:20 Ryuu314 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 09:14 ArchAngelSC wrote:On February 06 2014 09:10 Alaric wrote:
Skillshot-less combo: QWRQW rightclick. Before the rightclick you've done more than a third of their health, if they're squishy and you're around level 9 you've done way more than half.
I don't get how you find her damage crappy when she can do that without you needing anything more than push the buttons, and without itemising for damage (she's still building semi-tanky when she has sorcs+guise+golem anyway). That's the build I was doing and did MAYBE 1/3 hp damage if I was lucky on squishies. Also for ganking you have to start in spider form which means your Q > Q combo is suboptimal. On February 06 2014 09:14 turdburgler wrote:
i dont know how to explain to you how insane elise's kit is for ganking. best lane gank champ, best tower dive kit, an execute. what more could you ask for :O
True she is good for tower dives. I'll give her that. That's what you're doing wrong. Don't start in spider form for ganks. Lead with human form. Human Q+W. Go into spider execute with Spider Q. Somewhere in there throw a cocoon and hope it hits.
So ganking strategy with elise is... Walk in to lane and hope they have their eyes closed? ;s
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On February 06 2014 09:27 ArchAngelSC wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 09:20 Ryuu314 wrote:On February 06 2014 09:14 ArchAngelSC wrote:On February 06 2014 09:10 Alaric wrote:
Skillshot-less combo: QWRQW rightclick. Before the rightclick you've done more than a third of their health, if they're squishy and you're around level 9 you've done way more than half.
I don't get how you find her damage crappy when she can do that without you needing anything more than push the buttons, and without itemising for damage (she's still building semi-tanky when she has sorcs+guise+golem anyway). That's the build I was doing and did MAYBE 1/3 hp damage if I was lucky on squishies. Also for ganking you have to start in spider form which means your Q > Q combo is suboptimal. On February 06 2014 09:14 turdburgler wrote:
i dont know how to explain to you how insane elise's kit is for ganking. best lane gank champ, best tower dive kit, an execute. what more could you ask for :O
True she is good for tower dives. I'll give her that. That's what you're doing wrong. Don't start in spider form for ganks. Lead with human form. Human Q+W. Go into spider execute with Spider Q. Somewhere in there throw a cocoon and hope it hits. So ganking strategy with elise is... Walk in to lane and hope they have their eyes closed? ;s
No, the strategy is to land your CC and kill them if you do, and do a lot of damage if you don't.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On February 06 2014 08:32 FinestHour wrote:
my friend showed me that article about how riot games patented a moving camera in spectator mode
anyone that actually supports that company is such a fucking toolbag ahhahahah
technically the patent is how the camera movement is calculated, i.e., working out mathematically which scenes are most likely to be interesting and moving the camera there. not "a moving camera"
but ok, fucking toolbag, continue to opine mindlessly about things you know nothing about
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Human form Elise is ranged. A viable jungler with a ranged autoattack will always be super strong anyway just because of red buff. Free permaslow if you walk from behind, and if they flash then it's easy cocoon into combo burst.
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The hard part about Elise is that you have to keep track on a second set of cooldowns without any indicators, mastering it and switching forms the instant your other spells become available is what makes a great elise.
The idea for FPS in this game is to reach the magical moment when your ping and your fps are the same number. massive amounts of tweaking and investing in computers are done only to achieve that, moving to another country/state can also help
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