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RuskiPanda
Profile Joined December 2011
United States2906 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 03:05:18
February 06 2014 03:04 GMT
#3861
On February 06 2014 10:06 Sufficiency wrote:
Elise is pretty strong. Even though I am really bad at her it is easy to see why she is strong. Too much damage, dirt easy jungle clear, lots of mobility, low cooldown. Her only problem is her lack of AOE... which honestly is not too much of a drawback for a jungler.

W in human form isn't even that bad of AoE imo once she gets some AP (if you don't go the golem/pure tank route) provided you don't send it out to explode on just the first one or two melee minions.
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 03:27:10
February 06 2014 03:25 GMT
#3862
Go 6-4, get placed into Bronze 1 after being Silver 5 for season 3, meh. Last game in promos my team threw so hard, swear we were XDG from like minute 10 onward. Probably done with league for the week, will try to get to silver again during non-peak hours when all the baddies and ragers are playing.
Nemireck
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1875 Posts
February 06 2014 03:30 GMT
#3863
On February 06 2014 12:25 Kinie wrote:
Go 6-4, get placed into Bronze 1 after being Silver 5 for season 3, meh. Last game in promos my team threw so hard, swear we were XDG from like minute 10 onward. Probably done with league for the week, will try to get to silver again during non-peak hours when all the baddies and ragers are playing.


You were Silver 5, which means you were on the borderline between the two to begin with.

I'd say your placements went splendid, considering many of us got knocked down multiple tiers. I went from Silver 3 to Bronze 3 after splitting 5-5, so count yourself lucky.

Not that your placement actually matters when considering your MMR is what calculates who you play against.
Teamwork is awesome... As long as your team is doing all the work!
InfSunday
Profile Joined March 2013
United States735 Posts
February 06 2014 03:36 GMT
#3864
I don't see why people complained so much about getting demoted tiers. The practice against people a little worse than you is good for trying new champs, working on cs, carrying, etc. etc. and it's super easy to get back up, assuming where you used to be is still your skill level. Was gold 2 in preseason, placed in gold 5, back in gold 2 after ~50 games. Not that difficult and I'm a better player for it since I focused on top lane, which used to be my worst role.
Call me Sunday
Ethelis
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States2397 Posts
February 06 2014 04:13 GMT
#3865
On February 06 2014 12:30 Nemireck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 12:25 Kinie wrote:
Go 6-4, get placed into Bronze 1 after being Silver 5 for season 3, meh. Last game in promos my team threw so hard, swear we were XDG from like minute 10 onward. Probably done with league for the week, will try to get to silver again during non-peak hours when all the baddies and ragers are playing.


You were Silver 5, which means you were on the borderline between the two to begin with.

I'd say your placements went splendid, considering many of us got knocked down multiple tiers. I went from Silver 3 to Bronze 3 after splitting 5-5, so count yourself lucky.

Not that your placement actually matters when considering your MMR is what calculates who you play against.


Do note that people's MMR got "squished" towards 1200, not straight up decreased. I'd say he's roughly the same MMR or potentially higher.
Disabled gamer - Diamond 3 (LoL) D+ Rank scrublord on BW. Bisu doesnt need DTs, He uses probes. just ask Flash.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 06 2014 04:20 GMT
#3866
On February 06 2014 12:30 Nemireck wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 12:25 Kinie wrote:
Go 6-4, get placed into Bronze 1 after being Silver 5 for season 3, meh. Last game in promos my team threw so hard, swear we were XDG from like minute 10 onward. Probably done with league for the week, will try to get to silver again during non-peak hours when all the baddies and ragers are playing.


You were Silver 5, which means you were on the borderline between the two to begin with.

I'd say your placements went splendid, considering many of us got knocked down multiple tiers. I went from Silver 3 to Bronze 3 after splitting 5-5, so count yourself lucky.

Not that your placement actually matters when considering your MMR is what calculates who you play against.


Yeah it wasn't too bad at all. I went gold 2 -> silver 2, one of my friends went gold 3 -> silver 3. You could have been bronze 5.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
February 06 2014 04:29 GMT
#3867
On February 06 2014 13:20 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 12:30 Nemireck wrote:
On February 06 2014 12:25 Kinie wrote:
Go 6-4, get placed into Bronze 1 after being Silver 5 for season 3, meh. Last game in promos my team threw so hard, swear we were XDG from like minute 10 onward. Probably done with league for the week, will try to get to silver again during non-peak hours when all the baddies and ragers are playing.


You were Silver 5, which means you were on the borderline between the two to begin with.

I'd say your placements went splendid, considering many of us got knocked down multiple tiers. I went from Silver 3 to Bronze 3 after splitting 5-5, so count yourself lucky.

Not that your placement actually matters when considering your MMR is what calculates who you play against.


Yeah it wasn't too bad at all. I went gold 2 -> silver 2, one of my friends went gold 3 -> silver 3. You could have been bronze 5.

I went from Gold 5 to Gold 1. Does that make me a god?
God Bless
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 06 2014 04:30 GMT
#3868
On February 06 2014 12:01 Ryuu314 wrote:
Virtually every single software company nowadays will patent, or attempt to patent, everything they do in order to not just protect their product, but to also fend off patent trolls.

For example, Valve patented pre-release of a game over a network, how they pre-load data for games, heck they even patented anti-piracy measures via easter eggs. This move by Riot is nothing new and is not limited to just Riot.

Furthermore, a large majority of patents are meant to be ambiguous. In fact, companies deliberately make them generic and ambiguous, then narrow everything down massively with each subsequent set of claims. Any claims that are too generic to hold water in a lawsuit will be meaningless, and the ones that are specific enough to not have prior art (aka other spectator clients, matchmaking algorithms that existed before Riot's) will remain valid. It's standard practice to make the claims as broad as you can get away with, so long as some of them are specific enough to actually stand up to serious interrogation and protect what's important.


As an active patent lawyer, this is correct. It is the job of the patentee to try to claim as much as possible, and it is the job of the patent examiner at the USPTO to tell them "no".

From a more philosophical point of view, patent law is meant to be a balancing act between rewarding innovation and rewarding the public eventually for that person's innovation. That is why our patent term is 20 years (and you have to renew it or your rights are lost during that time). Also, many "patent trolls" (PAEs) are actually necessary entities because what they do is buy patents from innovators who cannot afford to litigate against large companies.

The patent system as a whole actually is quite effective, there are basically a few problematic areas such as smartphones, finance and business methods, and software. However, that is mostly the fault of the USPTO being overwhelmed with applications and examiners not getting enough time to review applications, and the deck being stacked against them because of how the appeal system is set up. However, certain industries like pharmaceuticals, disease resistant plants, and medical devices could not survive without them because the cost of creating, testing, and developing the product is so much more significant than the marginal cost of a pill, a seed, or a bone screw.
Freeeeeeedom
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 06 2014 04:33 GMT
#3869
On February 06 2014 13:29 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 13:20 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 06 2014 12:30 Nemireck wrote:
On February 06 2014 12:25 Kinie wrote:
Go 6-4, get placed into Bronze 1 after being Silver 5 for season 3, meh. Last game in promos my team threw so hard, swear we were XDG from like minute 10 onward. Probably done with league for the week, will try to get to silver again during non-peak hours when all the baddies and ragers are playing.


You were Silver 5, which means you were on the borderline between the two to begin with.

I'd say your placements went splendid, considering many of us got knocked down multiple tiers. I went from Silver 3 to Bronze 3 after splitting 5-5, so count yourself lucky.

Not that your placement actually matters when considering your MMR is what calculates who you play against.


Yeah it wasn't too bad at all. I went gold 2 -> silver 2, one of my friends went gold 3 -> silver 3. You could have been bronze 5.

I went from Gold 5 to Gold 1. Does that make me a god?


Bow down to the mighty roffles!
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 06 2014 04:34 GMT
#3870
Patents for biotech stuff are ridiculous. Patenting genes and shit that are already in nature...
liftlift > tsm
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 06 2014 04:42 GMT
#3871
On February 06 2014 13:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Patents for biotech stuff are ridiculous. Patenting genes and shit that are already in nature...


I thought that got stricken down?
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 06 2014 04:45 GMT
#3872
On February 06 2014 13:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Patents for biotech stuff are ridiculous. Patenting genes and shit that are already in nature...


You should probably read AMP v. Myriad and Mayo v. Prometheus before you continue to speak about things that you do not have any semblance of understanding.
Freeeeeeedom
Kinie
Profile Joined December 2011
United States3106 Posts
February 06 2014 04:59 GMT
#3873
Let me be clear, I"m not QQing about my placements, as I was expecting to be Bronze 1 or Silver 5 again. I just felt that if I didn't throw so hard I'd have been able to carry my last game to a win and get Silver 5 or higher. I made 2-3 bad calls where I died for 0 reason, in a fairly close game, which gave the enemy team enough gold to complete their items just a bit ahead of us and win a crucial team fight.
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
February 06 2014 05:20 GMT
#3874
On February 06 2014 13:45 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 13:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Patents for biotech stuff are ridiculous. Patenting genes and shit that are already in nature...


You should probably read AMP v. Myriad and Mayo v. Prometheus before you continue to speak about things that you do not have any semblance of understanding.

Why bother? Much easier instead to just keep defecating out yet more Dunning-Kruger opinions instead of thinking through why things are the way they are.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 06 2014 05:21 GMT
#3875
On February 06 2014 13:29 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 13:20 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 06 2014 12:30 Nemireck wrote:
On February 06 2014 12:25 Kinie wrote:
Go 6-4, get placed into Bronze 1 after being Silver 5 for season 3, meh. Last game in promos my team threw so hard, swear we were XDG from like minute 10 onward. Probably done with league for the week, will try to get to silver again during non-peak hours when all the baddies and ragers are playing.


You were Silver 5, which means you were on the borderline between the two to begin with.

I'd say your placements went splendid, considering many of us got knocked down multiple tiers. I went from Silver 3 to Bronze 3 after splitting 5-5, so count yourself lucky.

Not that your placement actually matters when considering your MMR is what calculates who you play against.


Yeah it wasn't too bad at all. I went gold 2 -> silver 2, one of my friends went gold 3 -> silver 3. You could have been bronze 5.

I went from Gold 5 to Gold 1. Does that make me a god?

Gold 2 to Silver 4. Why can't I live the Roffles life ;;
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 05:26:15
February 06 2014 05:23 GMT
#3876
On February 06 2014 13:45 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 13:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Patents for biotech stuff are ridiculous. Patenting genes and shit that are already in nature...


You should probably read AMP v. Myriad and Mayo v. Prometheus before you continue to speak about things that you do not have any semblance of understanding.

Didn't get to clarify, since I was on my phone, which now that I read it a bit misleading. What I meant was during times of my internship at a biotech labs, we were doing some pretty loose research and development (for commercial purposes, not strict university research), we couldn't use certain genes/products, because it would infringe on certain patents. (like using certain jellyfish fluorescent in our vectors), despite the patenting for that specific gene not even being used for the purposes we were intending to use them for. So often it ended up limiting what we could do. Understandably our stuff was obviously for commercial end (money making, not strictly research), which was the issue here, but it was extremely frustrating as an intern to deal with that shit.
On February 06 2014 14:20 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 13:45 cLutZ wrote:
On February 06 2014 13:34 wei2coolman wrote:
Patents for biotech stuff are ridiculous. Patenting genes and shit that are already in nature...


You should probably read AMP v. Myriad and Mayo v. Prometheus before you continue to speak about things that you do not have any semblance of understanding.

Why bother? Much easier instead to just keep defecating out yet more Dunning-Kruger opinions instead of thinking through why things are the way they are.

Pantent law is beyond fucked right now. It's a decrepit old system that needs to be re-hauled for the 21st century.
The fact that Apple can sue (and win) Samsung for rounded 90 degree corners on a rectangular shape, should tell you everything about how fucking stupid the patent system is.
liftlift > tsm
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 06 2014 05:29 GMT
#3877
So I just won a promo and got moved up to a divison 4 and lost 4 Ina row and have not been demoted yet..... Is this normal? Will I be out down after another loss I'm scared to play now lol
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
February 06 2014 05:32 GMT
#3878
there's a legit function served by patents, but the notion of sovereign property is rather antiquated and needs updating to conform to specific modern conditions. social benefit should be the aim instead of an absolute notion of property rights
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
Zizoz
Profile Joined June 2012
United States232 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 05:51:22
February 06 2014 05:51 GMT
#3879
On February 06 2014 14:29 Yezzus wrote:
So I just won a promo and got moved up to a divison 4 and lost 4 Ina row and have not been demoted yet..... Is this normal? Will I be out down after another loss I'm scared to play now lol

IIRC, you're safe for one more game. You can't get demoted in your first five games after being promoted.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 06:00:46
February 06 2014 05:57 GMT
#3880
Starting to play league enough to actually improve. Feels good to be on a win streak going into a promotion to next division. Still have tons of room to improve and I should probly stop playing Pirate support so much..

Any ideas on how to make sure I keep a more active look on my minimap? I keep failing at it hard. Nothing worse then dieing to a bear gank you should of seen.
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