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I love playing Blitz but you have to be smart about when you pick him. You can't early pick him or you'll be get counter by something like Ezreal/Leona and proceed to be useless in laning phase
On February 06 2014 22:21 Alaric wrote:
Leona is weak in that you can bully her with a ranged champ. I agree that if she gets in range she still gets a hefty bit of damage and that it can let you win a trade combined with her good base stats.
I got wrecked in a game yesterday as Thresh because I had a lil' bit of latency, not much, but enough that when I right-clicked Leona to harass her, if she entered a bush (my fault for using my trinket ward elsewhere) I would walk up to said bush instead of hitting her (or cancelling the auto), I ended up eating an aa-Q like that when he automatically facechecked, and combined with Cait autos I dropped to half. >>
Since we don't have a Lissandra thread I feel entitled to asking here: how's she being played in general? I can't recall if the consensus was on maxing W (for the cc) or E (for the mobility) second.
How does she feel mana-wise? Passive and good judgement enough? Needs chalice? Desperately needs blue?
I plan on making her my magic damage offlaner so I can avoid all AD teams (Vlad too mindless for me and I don't think I'd convert harass/leads well with Kennen based on my playstyle), so I assume flask start and Zhonya's first major items is an ideal case, and being able to sustain spell usage off of her passive/drings compared to chalice would be nice.
I know she's got enough burst to make use of a DFG and truck squishies with E flanks, but that probably means you're at least even and well-farmed, and I don't trust myself enough for this, especially as I first learn her. So probably Zhonya's, Grail/Abyssal, Void Staff, something in that vein.
I have about 80 Lissandra games over this season and the previous one. If you're offlaner, you should definitely max w second, I find it rare that i have the opportunity to actually hit people with e. In mid, I still max w second because like the instant damage. Lissandra is VERY forgiving with mana, double dorans ring and you should be fine, chalice is 100% unnecessary.
DFG is a very effective mid lane build but generally against the tanky top laners that are prevalent you need some defensive stats. Get Morellos over Grail. My top lane build goes something like Zhonyas-Void-situational. If you don't get a void somewhat quickly then you'll find yourself doing 0 damage to the enemy top laner's cowl
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That only works if she did not start with Doran Shield.
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Blitz is crazy strong wtf.
He doesn't even need to land hooks. He just has to position to be able to land hooks, that by itself makes a lane won.
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On February 06 2014 22:46 mr_tolkien wrote:
Blitz is crazy strong wtf.
He doesn't even need to land hooks. He just has to position to be able to land hooks, that by itself makes a lane won.
Yeah unless you're Leona/Thresh/Ali/Taric and you dance in front of him while shouting "HOOK ME BITCH, I DARE YA"
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On February 06 2014 22:35 Sufficiency wrote:
That only works if she did not start with Doran Shield.
Inb4 starting the "dshield versus gold-item" discussion!
If you do not start with doran's shield at the moment, as support, you're doing it wrong. After the nerfs, the hp5 will change a lot of that, but for now just go with it.
On February 06 2014 22:48 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 22:46 mr_tolkien wrote:
Blitz is crazy strong wtf.
He doesn't even need to land hooks. He just has to position to be able to land hooks, that by itself makes a lane won. Yeah unless you're Leona/Thresh/Ali/Taric and you dance in front of him while shouting "HOOK ME BITCH, I DARE YA"
If you blind-pick blitzcrank, you're doing it wrong.
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Oh yeah Shyvana, Mundo and Renekton are going to be bitches, true dat. They're mostly banned but if that happens I guess my job's going to be to ignore them and try to one-shot the wave then roam mid or invade with jungler.
On February 06 2014 22:46 mr_tolkien wrote:
Blitz is crazy strong wtf.
He doesn't even need to land hooks. He just has to position to be able to land hooks, that by itself makes a lane won.
You do realise that positioning is even scarcer a skill than last-hitting, right?  I've seen Blitz stand here doing nothing in non-threatening places and Leona stand behind me as Graves, don't underestimate people's cluelessness when it comes to "this champion is OP, autowin if I pick".
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On February 06 2014 22:56 Alaric wrote:Oh yeah Shyvana, Mundo and Renekton are going to be bitches, true dat. They're mostly banned but if that happens I guess my job's going to be to ignore them and try to one-shot the wave then roam mid or invade with jungler. Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 22:46 mr_tolkien wrote:
Blitz is crazy strong wtf.
He doesn't even need to land hooks. He just has to position to be able to land hooks, that by itself makes a lane won. You do realise that positioning is even scarcer a skill than last-hitting, right? I've seen Blitz stand here doing nothing in non-threatening places and Leona stand behind me as Graves, don't underestimate people's cluelessness when it comes to "this champion is OP, autowin if I pick".
Nah ofc players are retards, I don't act like it's new. But the hero is not the pb.
Blitz is insanely strong and yeah in some lanes he can "only" go even, but just positionning in lane threatening for a hook creates a lot of space for your AD. And don't get me started on mid-game and teamfights Blitz, where he's litteraly god.
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Personally I start E with Leona just so I can engage level 1. It works alright if your AD is smart, because you get quite a bit of damage off between leonas passive e and auto attack and you regen the damage faster than they do, setting you up nicely for the level 2, and also pushing the lane a bit harder than if you just let yourself get harassed.
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In my experience, 90% of blitz players in soloqueue are people that didnt want to play support but got stucked in the role. So then they pick blitz because that way they can make big plays and still carry those retards even if they stole mid from him right? Yeah usually those dudes has no clue wtf to do but since they hit a great grab 2 years ago on their sister's account they must be great right?
Blitzcrank is a great character, the vast majority of his playerbase in soloqueue are not
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On February 06 2014 22:33 MattBarry wrote:I love playing Blitz but you have to be smart about when you pick him. You can't early pick him or you'll be get counter by something like Ezreal/Leona and proceed to be useless in laning phase Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 22:21 Alaric wrote:
Leona is weak in that you can bully her with a ranged champ. I agree that if she gets in range she still gets a hefty bit of damage and that it can let you win a trade combined with her good base stats.
I got wrecked in a game yesterday as Thresh because I had a lil' bit of latency, not much, but enough that when I right-clicked Leona to harass her, if she entered a bush (my fault for using my trinket ward elsewhere) I would walk up to said bush instead of hitting her (or cancelling the auto), I ended up eating an aa-Q like that when he automatically facechecked, and combined with Cait autos I dropped to half. >>
Since we don't have a Lissandra thread I feel entitled to asking here: how's she being played in general? I can't recall if the consensus was on maxing W (for the cc) or E (for the mobility) second.
How does she feel mana-wise? Passive and good judgement enough? Needs chalice? Desperately needs blue?
I plan on making her my magic damage offlaner so I can avoid all AD teams (Vlad too mindless for me and I don't think I'd convert harass/leads well with Kennen based on my playstyle), so I assume flask start and Zhonya's first major items is an ideal case, and being able to sustain spell usage off of her passive/drings compared to chalice would be nice.
I know she's got enough burst to make use of a DFG and truck squishies with E flanks, but that probably means you're at least even and well-farmed, and I don't trust myself enough for this, especially as I first learn her. So probably Zhonya's, Grail/Abyssal, Void Staff, something in that vein. I have about 80 Lissandra games over this season and the previous one. If you're offlaner, you should definitely max w second, I find it rare that i have the opportunity to actually hit people with e. In mid, I still max w second because like the instant damage. Lissandra is VERY forgiving with mana, double dorans ring and you should be fine, chalice is 100% unnecessary. DFG is a very effective mid lane build but generally against the tanky top laners that are prevalent you need some defensive stats. Get Morellos over Grail. My top lane build goes something like Zhonyas-Void-situational. If you don't get a void somewhat quickly then you'll find yourself doing 0 damage to the enemy top laner's cowl
I think maxing W second is the accepted norm. Maxing E second isn't all that bad though.
I've never really tried first item DFG, I typically go for Zhonya Abyssal Void in some order.
I go 1 dring and flask for regen, 2 drings is also probably fine but I'm a flask junkie.
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Thank fucking god someone agrees me with first point in E on Leona.
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On February 06 2014 23:53 Sufficiency wrote:
Thank fucking god someone agrees me with first point in E on Leona.
If you take E first and miss it though, you're in for a bad time against a ranged support.
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On February 06 2014 23:58 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 23:53 Sufficiency wrote:
Thank fucking god someone agrees me with first point in E on Leona. If you take E first and miss it though, you're in for a bad time against a ranged support.
Or you hit E and miss position yourself and lose the trade.
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If you Q first it is no different from missing the E. No one will let you walk to melee range to use your Q.
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I used to skill E first because better to help counterpush if they try that (if your AD has an AoE ability to trigger your passive) and because it's easier to catch someone with it.
I switched to Q upon seeing everyone else do it to try, it's more damage and better cc if people let you get away with it but I guess higher up it doesn't make as much sense since noone will facecheck you (save for latency <<).
Thanks for the Lissandra info.
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On February 06 2014 23:52 SagaZ wrote:
In my experience, 90% of blitz players in soloqueue are people that didnt want to play support but got stucked in the role. So then they pick blitz because that way they can make big plays and still carry those retards even if they stole mid from him right? Yeah usually those dudes has no clue wtf to do but since they hit a great grab 2 years ago on their sister's account they must be great right?
Blitzcrank is a great character, the vast majority of his playerbase in soloqueue are not
This is a big factor, but also the fotm supports right now are very strong vs Blitz (Leona Thresh Taric.... not sure about Annie)
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Annie seems pretty bad in lane vs. Tanks after the stun nerf at least so far, you can just straight up force her to stun you, tank it, and then go ham on her with your ad afterwards, but I haven't played the match up much, been playing mostly Sona since I picked up on dshield open.
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On February 07 2014 00:20 Sufficiency wrote:
If you Q first it is no different from missing the E. No one will let you walk to melee range to use your Q.
Q first means you can take out their 1-minute ward. It's a preferential thing and both can work in various situations.
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yeah the only reason people take q is to kill the ward and hide in the brush, theres obviously no reason to take it otherwise
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On February 06 2014 22:49 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 22:35 Sufficiency wrote:
That only works if she did not start with Doran Shield. Inb4 starting the "dshield versus gold-item" discussion! If you do not start with doran's shield at the moment, as support, you're doing it wrong. After the nerfs, the hp5 will change a lot of that, but for now just go with it. Show nested quote +On February 06 2014 22:48 MattBarry wrote:On February 06 2014 22:46 mr_tolkien wrote:
Blitz is crazy strong wtf.
He doesn't even need to land hooks. He just has to position to be able to land hooks, that by itself makes a lane won. Yeah unless you're Leona/Thresh/Ali/Taric and you dance in front of him while shouting "HOOK ME BITCH, I DARE YA" If you blind-pick blitzcrank, you're doing it wrong.
I feel like starting with coin as a Ez/Janna vs Graves/Leona is a better option, simply because they can only engage on me if I'm bad.
Did the mechanics of q'ing leona e change? Doesn't seem to stop it anymore, or at least not as easily.
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