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GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 16:14:08
February 06 2014 16:13 GMT
#3921
I think Blitzcrank's power is his scaling. It's hard to imagine, for example, Leona casting a single spell that changes the game the way Blitzcrank can by hooking a carry at a crucial moment. I think only a Flash-Tibbers is on the same level as far as support spells go.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 06 2014 16:15 GMT
#3922
On February 07 2014 01:13 dae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 22:49 Sponkz wrote:
On February 06 2014 22:35 Sufficiency wrote:
That only works if she did not start with Doran Shield.


Inb4 starting the "dshield versus gold-item" discussion!

If you do not start with doran's shield at the moment, as support, you're doing it wrong. After the nerfs, the hp5 will change a lot of that, but for now just go with it.

On February 06 2014 22:48 MattBarry wrote:
On February 06 2014 22:46 mr_tolkien wrote:
Blitz is crazy strong wtf.

He doesn't even need to land hooks. He just has to position to be able to land hooks, that by itself makes a lane won.

Yeah unless you're Leona/Thresh/Ali/Taric and you dance in front of him while shouting "HOOK ME BITCH, I DARE YA"


If you blind-pick blitzcrank, you're doing it wrong.



I feel like starting with coin as a Ez/Janna vs Graves/Leona is a better option, simply because they can only engage on me if I'm bad.

Did the mechanics of q'ing leona e change? Doesn't seem to stop it anymore, or at least not as easily.

They havent been changed.You probably use it while she is casting e not while she is jumping.
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23401 Posts
February 06 2014 16:16 GMT
#3923
On February 07 2014 01:13 GrandInquisitor wrote:
I think Blitzcrank's power is his scaling. It's hard to imagine, for example, Leona casting a single spell that changes the game the way Blitzcrank can by hooking a carry at a crucial moment. I think only a Flash-Tibbers is on the same level as far as support spells go.


that's burst potential, not scaling
leona can jump in and start a fight and be pretty tanky enough that she's a problem constantly, blitzcrank is just something to watch for hooks before fights and once the fight begins he's only average.
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 06 2014 16:17 GMT
#3924
E start isnt that bad....but i think Q is better for the ward kill
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 06 2014 16:19 GMT
#3925
Does anyone feel Gragas is super ridiculous? Whenever hes on the enemy team hes a serious problem and when hes on my team he usually carries. I've never seen Gragas lose a lane ever. Sure they might be down cs but they never get constantly killed by their opposing mid. Hes too strong id more bannable than Kass now. Im always happy when I see him on my team and cry when Im facing him. I hope this nerf makes him unplayable but I doubt it
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
February 06 2014 16:22 GMT
#3926
what about ziggs ? i cant remember game where ziggs didnt do atleast twice as much dmg than anybody else in either team
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 06 2014 16:24 GMT
#3927
On February 07 2014 01:22 kongoline wrote:
what about ziggs ? i cant remember game where ziggs didnt do atleast twice as much dmg than anybody else in either team

Gragas is way harder to deal with than Ziggs IMO
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 06 2014 16:26 GMT
#3928
gragas has been a safe fotm op unkillable farming waveclear laning split pushing jungle anti-push assassin teamfight ap carry for a while now tho
ziggs is aiite
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
February 06 2014 16:27 GMT
#3929
On February 07 2014 01:13 dae wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 06 2014 22:49 Sponkz wrote:
On February 06 2014 22:35 Sufficiency wrote:
That only works if she did not start with Doran Shield.


Inb4 starting the "dshield versus gold-item" discussion!

If you do not start with doran's shield at the moment, as support, you're doing it wrong. After the nerfs, the hp5 will change a lot of that, but for now just go with it.

On February 06 2014 22:48 MattBarry wrote:
On February 06 2014 22:46 mr_tolkien wrote:
Blitz is crazy strong wtf.

He doesn't even need to land hooks. He just has to position to be able to land hooks, that by itself makes a lane won.

Yeah unless you're Leona/Thresh/Ali/Taric and you dance in front of him while shouting "HOOK ME BITCH, I DARE YA"


If you blind-pick blitzcrank, you're doing it wrong.



I feel like starting with coin as a Ez/Janna vs Graves/Leona is a better option, simply because they can only engage on me if I'm bad.

Did the mechanics of q'ing leona e change? Doesn't seem to stop it anymore, or at least not as easily.


I haven't seen Janna for so long, so idk.
hi
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 06 2014 16:27 GMT
#3930
Plus Ziggs can lose lane...does Gras even have a counter?lol
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 06 2014 16:28 GMT
#3931
On February 07 2014 01:26 FinestHour wrote:
gragas has been a safe fotm op unkillable farming waveclear laning split pushing jungle anti-push assassin teamfight ap carry for a while now tho
ziggs is aiite

While sarcastic.....This is really true
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
February 06 2014 16:29 GMT
#3932
There's just way too many champions to ban right now. I've never detested so many champions at one time in my 2 years playing league. Gragas, Kayle, Kayle Kayle, Kayle, Yasuo, Kass, Kayle, Kha'zix, Mundo, Elise, Kayle, Nasus, shit even Ziggs.
Platinum Support GOD
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
February 06 2014 16:29 GMT
#3933
Basically if you're a squishy and a Barrel Roll hits you you're dead to his follow-up, Ziggs has no threat like that.

Gragas W is honestly an insane spell. It's out-of-this-world powerful. No cost, triggers his passive, tons of free mana, and obviously constant uptime on 18% damage reduction and 70!! free AD.
I am the Town Medic.
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 16:33:59
February 06 2014 16:33 GMT
#3934
I think Ill ban Gragas over Kass now....but then ill probably be reminded why Kass is Permabanned when ge 1v5ed......seriously 4 Bans now shouldnt be a problem....so many champs
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 06 2014 16:34 GMT
#3935
Ziggs isn't OP, he is just able to make use of the two most OP caster items at the same time.
Carrilord has arrived.
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 06 2014 16:34 GMT
#3936
On February 07 2014 01:29 MattBarry wrote:
There's just way too many champions to ban right now. I've never detested so many champions at one time in my 2 years playing league. Gragas, Kayle, Kayle Kayle, Kayle, Yasuo, Kass, Kayle, Kha'zix, Mundo, Elise, Kayle, Nasus, shit even Ziggs.

Yeah...so true
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 06 2014 16:35 GMT
#3937
Kayle not op either ratio on LB is too high.
Carrilord has arrived.
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
February 06 2014 16:36 GMT
#3938
I agree Gragas is an incredibly strong mid right now. Ziggs is too but he is a bit more counterable. I honestly don't know what counters Gragas, he is beefy enough to withstand assassins and has enough range to trade with poke champs. The only real downside of Gragas is fail ults.

On the topic of Blitz I still ban him regularly out of fear, but maybe I should stop doing that because I rarely see him picked up anymore if he goes un-banned.
I got nothin'...
kongoline
Profile Joined February 2012
6318 Posts
February 06 2014 16:38 GMT
#3939
riven shits on him
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 06 2014 16:38 GMT
#3940
Gragas is also unlike Kass where you can shut him down early to make things hard....he cannot get shut down....no1 beats him he will always be relevant in the game and batshit strong...unlike with Kass if you destroy in lane it can take a little while for him to be strong
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