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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:09 Yezzus wrote: Lol what? Can thresh 1v3-4 champs like yasio or Grag or kass can whn ahead? No.... Thresh is great yes but not the "best" Thresh needs a team To follow up to be a game changer.... Other champs can do it alone Meant to edit in my op | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:05 Alaric wrote: So... when there are too many "good/OP" champions that you can't ban every single one of them... don't you think that's a good thing for the game? More champions at the top tier, less out of line broken stuff. Now if Riot would switch to tiny nerfs to these, and instead buffing those we never see some more, I'd rather have them follow this balancing reasoning, but that's not how they work so they'll just try to tone down anything popular. Well the problem is those champions are outright broken. There's nothing you can against them | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:09 Yezzus wrote: Lol what? Can thresh 1v3-4 champs like yasio or Grag or kass can whn ahead? No.... Thresh is great yes but not the "best" He's saying "Best in Role" not "Best in Game". Thresh is likely the best support in the game in the moment (and honestly has been since his release). I'd agree Annie/Leona come close, but Thresh is just bonkers. Unless you're going for a specific comp or bot lane synergy, there's never a bad time to pick him. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:11 Requizen wrote: He's saying "Best in Role" not "Best in Game". Thresh is likely the best support in the game in the moment (and honestly has been since his release). I'd agree Annie/Leona come close, but Thresh is just bonkers. Unless you're going for a specific comp or bot lane synergy, there's never a bad time to pick him. Exactly. There are a ton of OP mids right now, but the gap between Thresh and any other support seems (to me) much greater than the gap between, say, Gragas and Kassadin/Kayle/Yasuo/Ziggs/etc. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:11 Requizen wrote: He's saying "Best in Role" not "Best in Game". Thresh is likely the best support in the game in the moment (and honestly has been since his release). I'd agree Annie/Leona come close, but Thresh is just bonkers. Unless you're going for a specific comp or bot lane synergy, there's never a bad time to pick him. He doesn't bring really strong engage by itself compared to Annie and Leona outside of the very conditional hook. Leona on the other hand is a tanky mofo and Annie maybe the best engage in game since it's instant. They're just different heroes, but Thresh is not that far ahead. | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:11 Requizen wrote: He's saying "Best in Role" not "Best in Game". Thresh is likely the best support in the game in the moment (and honestly has been since his release). I'd agree Annie/Leona come close, but Thresh is just bonkers. Unless you're going for a specific comp or bot lane synergy, there's never a bad time to pick him. Ok I read it wrong sorry.... Yeah thresh /Leona are pretty crazy atm | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:09 Yezzus wrote: Lol what? Can thresh 1v3-4 champs like yasio or Grag or kass can whn ahead? No.... Thresh is great yes but not the "best" this guy. strong kit has nothing to do with ability to carry. Elise is probably one of those champions where she's THE BEST, out of all the possible jungle choices. | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:20 wei2coolman wrote: this guy. strong kit has nothing to do with ability to carry. Elise is probably one of those champions where she's THE BEST, out of all the possible jungle choices. What? Elise is the best because she had a STRONG kit..... Kit has a lot do do with carrying ... Thresh and Leona can carry due to their kits compared to other supports | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:07 Yezzus wrote: There shouldn't be a champ in the game that can go even or beat everyone in lane like gragas Pantheon was pretty close to that at some point. Was he goddamn friggin' OP? Nope, because he isn't godly post-laning so he's got issues there. Same with Renekton before Riot destroyed a bunch of other offlaners till not that many of them can actually stand up to him even post-laning. | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
Level 1-18.....unlike panth/ renek | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:24 Yezzus wrote: What? Elise is the best because she had a STRONG kit..... Kit has a lot do do with carrying ... Thresh and Leona can carry due to their kits compared to other supports You literally just complained that Thresh can't 1v3, therefore he's not "best". But that kind of kit that has some of the strongest utility is pretty bonkers broken, despite whether or not he deals damage. If you could create a champion that does 0 damage, but only ability was to heal teammates for like 1000 health, on a 1 second cool down, it would be beyond broken, and easily the best champion in the game, despite being unable to fight 1v3. | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:29 wei2coolman wrote: You literally just complained that Thresh can't 1v3, therefore he's not "best". But that kind of kit that has some of the strongest utility is pretty bonkers broken, despite whether or not he deals damage. If you could create a champion that does 0 damage, but only ability was to heal teammates for like 1000 health, on a 1 second cool down, it would be beyond broken, and easily the best champion in the game, despite being unable to fight 1v3. Did you read what I said earlier? Must not have I apologized for reading it wrong | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:24 Yezzus wrote: What? Elise is the best because she had a STRONG kit..... Kit has a lot do do with carrying ... Thresh and Leona can carry due to their kits compared to other supports Items > Kit for supports. Post doran's shield nerf, Leona and Thresh cannot neglect hard magic damage while still staying strong through auto attacks from the opposing ADC early on, so we will probably see a shift (again, again, again, again) towards more bursty lanes rather than tanky lanes. If you get the experience advantage as a mage support and level up faster than a tanky support, you will win. It's not rocket science and has nothing to do with their kits, Leona wasn't even that popular in late season 3 and the same goes for Alistar. The rotation in champions will always go from poke/mage supports to tank/initiation supports back to poke/mage supports, it's been like that for years now. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35173 Posts
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:29 wei2coolman wrote: You literally just complained that Thresh can't 1v3, therefore he's not "best". But that kind of kit that has some of the strongest utility is pretty bonkers broken, despite whether or not he deals damage. If you could create a champion that does 0 damage, but only ability was to heal teammates for like 1000 health, on a 1 second cool down, it would be beyond broken, and easily the best champion in the game, despite being unable to fight 1v3. You don't think they could 1v3 with a sunfire cape + self heal until the end of time, maybe with a spirit visage? Actually, this sounds like an oddly familiar position... | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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