EPTOn February 07 2014 01:38 kongoline wrote:
riven shits on him
riven shits on him
Ive seen Grags kill Riven In lane many games
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
Ive seen Grags kill Riven In lane many games | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
On February 07 2014 01:40 Slusher wrote: The problem is items, Grail gives too much ap, it needs to be a you get this to spam but your waveclear isn't going to be all that with it. as a 2 in 1 it's retarded, Gragas and Ziggs just make it look the dumbest because they don't need NLR on top of grail to clear the minions in 1 rotation. Lichbane has too high of a ratio for a item effectivly giving you an "extra spell" Ziggs can use both super effectively, hence op Remember when Grail was 90ap at season 2 worlds | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Lichbane has too high of a ratio for a item effectivly giving you an "extra spell" Ziggs can use both super effectively, hence op I said when they nerfed Fizz the real Target shoulda been Lichbane. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On February 07 2014 01:39 MattBarry wrote: Gragas can just farm from really far away even if he's losing Remember when Grail was 90ap at season 2 worlds I am aware, and we saw the same thing, champions who could one shot the wave with Grail alone dominating the scene. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 07 2014 01:40 Slusher wrote: The problem is items, Grail gives too much ap, it needs to be a you get this to spam but your waveclear isn't going to be all that with it. as a 2 in 1 it's retarded, Gragas and Ziggs just make it look the dumbest because they don't need NLR on top of grail to clear the minions in 1 rotation. Lichbane has too high of a ratio for a item effectivly giving you an "extra spell" Ziggs can use both super effectively, hence op I said when they nerfed Fizz the real Target shoulda been Lichbane. Except, rarely do we see ziggs get to the point where he gets lichbane in competitive play. Usually it's sorc boots + grail + death cap+ voidstaff combo, first, and lichbane is usually an afterthought. | ||
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MattBarry
United States4006 Posts
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On February 07 2014 01:38 kongoline wrote: riven shits on him Not really.It is a skill matchup. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
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Swords
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On February 07 2014 01:54 cLutZ wrote: I can't believe people don't like Gragas. He is like the coolest melle champion in the game. I like him in my team..... Who wouldn't enjoy freelo carrying them? | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
On February 07 2014 01:38 kongoline wrote: riven shits on him That lane's not super black and white, I mean yea Faker made gragas players look bad but Riven isn't an auto win against grag. I personally like orianna against gragas but it's a pretty hard lane if you fuck up. Gragas probably does too much damage, ever played a gragas with spectral wraith and sorc shoes chunking your ad out of the jungle? That shit ain't cool. | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
Not because he needs it but just so I can style with him in peace while all the fotm-ers think he's bad and move on to the next "op" | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On February 07 2014 01:54 cLutZ wrote: I can't believe people don't like Gragas. He is like the coolest melle champion in the game. Well except he's not really melee. | ||
GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
So I mean, yeah, Gragas is super strong, but how far ahead of Yasuo/Kayle/Ziggs/Kassadin/etc. is he? I think you could argue that the strongest champion under that definition might be Thresh. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
Whence why he is cool, because Riot has a bad time designing regular melle champs. | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:05 Alaric wrote: So... when there are too many "good/OP" champions that you can't ban every single one of them... don't you think that's a good thing for the game? More champions at the top tier, less out of line broken stuff. Now if Riot would switch to tiny nerfs to these, and instead buffing those we never see some more, I'd rather have them follow this balancing reasoning, but that's not how they work so they'll just try to tone down anything popular. There shouldn't be a champ in the game that can go even or beat everyone in lane like gragas | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:02 GrandInquisitor wrote: Who do you think is the strongest champion in the game, relative to their alternatives in that role? So I mean, yeah, Gragas is super strong, but how far ahead of Yasuo/Kayle/Ziggs/Kassadin/etc. is he? I think you could argue that the strongest champion under that definition might be Thresh. Annie/Leona are on Thresh level to me. Gragas is crazy good atm because of itemisation + meta. He's always been good for sure but now he's GOGOGOGODLIKE. | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On February 07 2014 02:02 GrandInquisitor wrote: Who do you think is the strongest champion in the game, relative to their alternatives in that role? So I mean, yeah, Gragas is super strong, but how far ahead of Yasuo/Kayle/Ziggs/Kassadin/etc. is he? I think you could argue that the strongest champion under that definition might be Thresh. Lol what? Can thresh 1v3-4 champs like yasio or Grag or kass can whn ahead? No.... Thresh is great yes but not the "best" | ||
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