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Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 06 2014 16:39 GMT
#3941
On February 07 2014 01:38 kongoline wrote:
riven shits on him

Ive seen Grags kill Riven In lane many games
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 16:41:48
February 06 2014 16:39 GMT
#3942
Gragas can just farm from really far away even if he's losing
On February 07 2014 01:40 Slusher wrote:
The problem is items, Grail gives too much ap, it needs to be a you get this to spam but your waveclear isn't going to be all that with it. as a 2 in 1 it's retarded, Gragas and Ziggs just make it look the dumbest because they don't need NLR on top of grail to clear the minions in 1 rotation.

Lichbane has too high of a ratio for a item effectivly giving you an "extra spell"

Ziggs can use both super effectively, hence op

Remember when Grail was 90ap at season 2 worlds
Platinum Support GOD
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 16:42:17
February 06 2014 16:40 GMT
#3943
The problem is items, Grail gives too much ap, it needs to be a you get this to spam but your waveclear isn't going to be all that with it. as a 2 in 1 it's retarded, Gragas and Ziggs just make it look the dumbest because they don't need NLR on top of grail to clear the minions in 1 rotation.

Lichbane has too high of a ratio for a item effectivly giving you an "extra spell"

Ziggs can use both super effectively, hence op

I said when they nerfed Fizz the real Target shoulda been Lichbane.
Carrilord has arrived.
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
February 06 2014 16:43 GMT
#3944
On February 07 2014 01:39 MattBarry wrote:
Gragas can just farm from really far away even if he's losing
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 01:40 Slusher wrote:
The problem is items, Grail gives too much ap, it needs to be a you get this to spam but your waveclear isn't going to be all that with it. as a 2 in 1 it's retarded, Gragas and Ziggs just make it look the dumbest because they don't need NLR on top of grail to clear the minions in 1 rotation.

Lichbane has too high of a ratio for a item effectivly giving you an "extra spell"

Ziggs can use both super effectively, hence op

Remember when Grail was 90ap at season 2 worlds


I am aware, and we saw the same thing, champions who could one shot the wave with Grail alone dominating the scene.
Carrilord has arrived.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
February 06 2014 16:44 GMT
#3945
On February 07 2014 01:40 Slusher wrote:
The problem is items, Grail gives too much ap, it needs to be a you get this to spam but your waveclear isn't going to be all that with it. as a 2 in 1 it's retarded, Gragas and Ziggs just make it look the dumbest because they don't need NLR on top of grail to clear the minions in 1 rotation.

Lichbane has too high of a ratio for a item effectivly giving you an "extra spell"

Ziggs can use both super effectively, hence op

I said when they nerfed Fizz the real Target shoulda been Lichbane.

Except, rarely do we see ziggs get to the point where he gets lichbane in competitive play.
Usually it's sorc boots + grail + death cap+ voidstaff combo, first, and lichbane is usually an afterthought.
liftlift > tsm
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
February 06 2014 16:45 GMT
#3946
Lich Bane is abused on Kayle though. 2.3 ap ratio nuke in a half second is fun
Platinum Support GOD
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 06 2014 16:49 GMT
#3947
On February 07 2014 01:38 kongoline wrote:
riven shits on him

Not really.It is a skill matchup.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 06 2014 16:54 GMT
#3948
I can't believe people don't like Gragas. He is like the coolest melle champion in the game.
Freeeeeeedom
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
February 06 2014 16:56 GMT
#3949
I love Gragas, playing him is really really fun, and his design is cool, but he is crazy strong right now. His damage spikes so quickly, and he doesn't ever fall off.
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 06 2014 16:57 GMT
#3950
On February 07 2014 01:54 cLutZ wrote:
I can't believe people don't like Gragas. He is like the coolest melle champion in the game.

I like him in my team..... Who wouldn't enjoy freelo carrying them?
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 06 2014 16:57 GMT
#3951
On February 07 2014 01:38 kongoline wrote:
riven shits on him

That lane's not super black and white, I mean yea Faker made gragas players look bad but Riven isn't an auto win against grag. I personally like orianna against gragas but it's a pretty hard lane if you fuck up.

Gragas probably does too much damage, ever played a gragas with spectral wraith and sorc shoes chunking your ad out of the jungle? That shit ain't cool.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
February 06 2014 16:59 GMT
#3952
the should just turn grag's e back to how it was before

Not because he needs it but just so I can style with him in peace while all the fotm-ers think he's bad and move on to the next "op"
A backwards poet writes inverse.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 06 2014 17:01 GMT
#3953
On February 07 2014 01:54 cLutZ wrote:
I can't believe people don't like Gragas. He is like the coolest melle champion in the game.

Well except he's not really melee.
The legend of Darien lives on
GrandInquisitor *
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
New York City13113 Posts
February 06 2014 17:02 GMT
#3954
Who do you think is the strongest champion in the game, relative to their alternatives in that role?

So I mean, yeah, Gragas is super strong, but how far ahead of Yasuo/Kayle/Ziggs/Kassadin/etc. is he? I think you could argue that the strongest champion under that definition might be Thresh.
What fun is it being cool if you can’t wear a sombrero?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 06 2014 17:05 GMT
#3955
So... when there are too many "good/OP" champions that you can't ban every single one of them... don't you think that's a good thing for the game? More champions at the top tier, less out of line broken stuff. Now if Riot would switch to tiny nerfs to these, and instead buffing those we never see some more, I'd rather have them follow this balancing reasoning, but that's not how they work so they'll just try to tone down anything popular.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 06 2014 17:05 GMT
#3956
Gragas is pretty fucking up there as far as midlane goes
Bronze player stuck in platinum
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 06 2014 17:06 GMT
#3957
On February 07 2014 02:01 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 07 2014 01:54 cLutZ wrote:
I can't believe people don't like Gragas. He is like the coolest melle champion in the game.

Well except he's not really melee.


Whence why he is cool, because Riot has a bad time designing regular melle champs.

Freeeeeeedom
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 06 2014 17:07 GMT
#3958
On February 07 2014 02:05 Alaric wrote:
So... when there are too many "good/OP" champions that you can't ban every single one of them... don't you think that's a good thing for the game? More champions at the top tier, less out of line broken stuff. Now if Riot would switch to tiny nerfs to these, and instead buffing those we never see some more, I'd rather have them follow this balancing reasoning, but that's not how they work so they'll just try to tone down anything popular.

There shouldn't be a champ in the game that can go even or beat everyone in lane like gragas
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-06 17:08:27
February 06 2014 17:07 GMT
#3959
On February 07 2014 02:02 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Who do you think is the strongest champion in the game, relative to their alternatives in that role?

So I mean, yeah, Gragas is super strong, but how far ahead of Yasuo/Kayle/Ziggs/Kassadin/etc. is he? I think you could argue that the strongest champion under that definition might be Thresh.

Annie/Leona are on Thresh level to me.

Gragas is crazy good atm because of itemisation + meta. He's always been good for sure but now he's GOGOGOGODLIKE.
The legend of Darien lives on
Yezzus
Profile Blog Joined January 2014
United States2318 Posts
February 06 2014 17:09 GMT
#3960
On February 07 2014 02:02 GrandInquisitor wrote:
Who do you think is the strongest champion in the game, relative to their alternatives in that role?

So I mean, yeah, Gragas is super strong, but how far ahead of Yasuo/Kayle/Ziggs/Kassadin/etc. is he? I think you could argue that the strongest champion under that definition might be Thresh.

Lol what? Can thresh 1v3-4 champs like yasio or Grag or kass can whn ahead? No.... Thresh is great yes but not the "best"
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