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The thing with Elise (or just about any form switcher) is that they should get some sort of power trade off for having the utility of 6 spells. All of Elise's spells are really good, Rappel is ultimate tier in my opinion for how useful it is.
Why would I want 4 good spells when I could have 6 good spells? Jayce has a form switch but really how useful is W? The ranged version is good late game but the shield is pretty shitty unless you were to max it first (aka never).
If I were to go after anything on Elise it would be the range of Rappel, good lord. The amount of times you see her tower dive somebody and then just rappel out to creeps before taking more than 1 shot is insane. I wouldn't necessarily want to take away it's ability to target minions and monsters but I think that combined with it's huge range is a huge reason why she is so powerful (ability to escape in jungle, tower dive, etc.)
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On January 16 2014 14:24 VeryAverage wrote:
The thing with Elise (or just about any form switcher) is that they should get some sort of power trade off for having the utility of 6 spells. All of Elise's spells are really good, Rappel is ultimate tier in my opinion for how useful it is.
Why would I want 4 good spells when I could have 6 good spells? Jayce has a form switch but really how useful is W? The ranged version is good late game but the shield is pretty shitty unless you were to max it first (aka never).
If I were to go after anything on Elise it would be the range of Rappel, good lord. The amount of times you see her tower dive somebody and then just rappel out to creeps before taking more than 1 shot is insane. I wouldn't necessarily want to take away it's ability to target minions and monsters but I think that combined with it's huge range is a huge reason why she is so powerful (ability to escape in jungle, tower dive, etc.)
TBF, none of her abilities are "ulti" strength, they just work extremely well in conjunction.
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If I could change one thing about Elise I would make towers target her over spiderlings.
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I think the best thing would be to hit her base damage and add to her ratios. Keep all that fancy shit, but make her have to build damage to do it. It's disturbing that she builds full tank and assassinates people.
On January 16 2014 11:34 Gahlo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 11:31 JazzVortical wrote:On January 16 2014 10:59 Amui wrote:
Elise was probably one of the most overpowered champions on release. While she had a higher skill ceiling than zyra for example, I actually think that at full skill potential, release elise is stronger than release zyra. The fact that elise has eaten needs to every single ability and still remained a fairly hotly contested champion is fairly good evidence of this Fairly hotly contested? I like how you are underselling it lol It's region dependent.
Which regions don't favour her? I don't follow all them and I'm curios.
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On January 16 2014 14:43 JazzVortical wrote:I think the best thing would be to hit her base damage and add to her ratios. Keep all that fancy shit, but make her have to build damage to do it. It's disturbing that she builds full tank and assassinates people. Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 11:34 Gahlo wrote:On January 16 2014 11:31 JazzVortical wrote:On January 16 2014 10:59 Amui wrote:
Elise was probably one of the most overpowered champions on release. While she had a higher skill ceiling than zyra for example, I actually think that at full skill potential, release elise is stronger than release zyra. The fact that elise has eaten needs to every single ability and still remained a fairly hotly contested champion is fairly good evidence of this Fairly hotly contested? I like how you are underselling it lol It's region dependent. Which regions don't favour her? I don't follow all them and I'm curios.
iirc europe doesn't abuse her as much as korea and NA.
though i haven't watched any of the EU LCS, so can't comment on pick/ban as of recent, but from promo series/bota, i don't remember that many eu picks, even when she was popular in s3 as well. (just went through bans/pick for last 2 days, looks like eu found out spiderbitch is super stronk).
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There's a lot of tempnamexxxx on high elo streams...those are manually changed names right?
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On January 16 2014 14:26 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 14:24 VeryAverage wrote:
The thing with Elise (or just about any form switcher) is that they should get some sort of power trade off for having the utility of 6 spells. All of Elise's spells are really good, Rappel is ultimate tier in my opinion for how useful it is.
Why would I want 4 good spells when I could have 6 good spells? Jayce has a form switch but really how useful is W? The ranged version is good late game but the shield is pretty shitty unless you were to max it first (aka never).
If I were to go after anything on Elise it would be the range of Rappel, good lord. The amount of times you see her tower dive somebody and then just rappel out to creeps before taking more than 1 shot is insane. I wouldn't necessarily want to take away it's ability to target minions and monsters but I think that combined with it's huge range is a huge reason why she is so powerful (ability to escape in jungle, tower dive, etc.) TBF, none of her abilities are "ulti" strength, they just work extremely well in conjunction.
No, Elise's E is definitely Ult power when you combine a Skillshot Stun (with good range) with a Free Zhonyas (with additional escapability, for 1 pt by the way). That move should probabably scale linearly from 1/5 duration, to current duration. Other than fixing that,they would have to really rebalance her numbers, which would risk turning her into old Eve.
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On January 16 2014 14:59 cLutZ wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 14:26 wei2coolman wrote:On January 16 2014 14:24 VeryAverage wrote:
The thing with Elise (or just about any form switcher) is that they should get some sort of power trade off for having the utility of 6 spells. All of Elise's spells are really good, Rappel is ultimate tier in my opinion for how useful it is.
Why would I want 4 good spells when I could have 6 good spells? Jayce has a form switch but really how useful is W? The ranged version is good late game but the shield is pretty shitty unless you were to max it first (aka never).
If I were to go after anything on Elise it would be the range of Rappel, good lord. The amount of times you see her tower dive somebody and then just rappel out to creeps before taking more than 1 shot is insane. I wouldn't necessarily want to take away it's ability to target minions and monsters but I think that combined with it's huge range is a huge reason why she is so powerful (ability to escape in jungle, tower dive, etc.) TBF, none of her abilities are "ulti" strength, they just work extremely well in conjunction. No, Elise's E is definitely Ult power when you combine a Skillshot Stun (with good range) with a Free Zhonyas (with additional escapability, for 1 pt by the way). That move should probabably scale linearly from 1/5 duration, to current duration. Other than fixing that,they would have to really rebalance her numbers, which would risk turning her into old Eve.
"in conjunction" reading is hard.
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On January 16 2014 14:24 VeryAverage wrote:
The thing with Elise (or just about any form switcher) is that they should get some sort of power trade off for having the utility of 6 spells. All of Elise's spells are really good, Rappel is ultimate tier in my opinion for how useful it is.
Why would I want 4 good spells when I could have 6 good spells? Jayce has a form switch but really how useful is W? The ranged version is good late game but the shield is pretty shitty unless you were to max it first (aka never).
what shield? the damage field?
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On January 16 2014 10:06 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 09:33 Gahlo wrote:On January 16 2014 09:30 GolemMadness wrote:
Was thinking about picking up Khazix jungle since Eve got nerfed and Mundo's always banned now, but I guess not. Who should I start playing that's relatively nerf-proof?! Nobody that is good is ever nerfproof. Play Kha'Zix anyway. Not true at all. In season 3, Mundo and Eve were very good, but Eve was mid-tier in terms of popularity and Mundo was one of the least played in the game. At the time, they were relatively nerf-proof. I play Viktor mid, and he's basically completely nerf-proof. Not really interested in playing a champion I'll have to drop in a few weeks because of nerfs.
Mundo wasn't that good in S3 jungle. The meta favored early ganking and Mundo needed to back after clearing buffs first time around, which was a pretty easy timing window to exploit with any of the popular junglers at the time.
I suppose Mundo top may have been pretty good though, in retrospect.
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On January 16 2014 15:46 kainzero wrote:Show nested quote +On January 16 2014 10:06 GolemMadness wrote:On January 16 2014 09:33 Gahlo wrote:On January 16 2014 09:30 GolemMadness wrote:
Was thinking about picking up Khazix jungle since Eve got nerfed and Mundo's always banned now, but I guess not. Who should I start playing that's relatively nerf-proof?! Nobody that is good is ever nerfproof. Play Kha'Zix anyway. Not true at all. In season 3, Mundo and Eve were very good, but Eve was mid-tier in terms of popularity and Mundo was one of the least played in the game. At the time, they were relatively nerf-proof. I play Viktor mid, and he's basically completely nerf-proof. Not really interested in playing a champion I'll have to drop in a few weeks because of nerfs. Mundo wasn't that good in S3 jungle. The meta favored early ganking and Mundo needed to back after clearing buffs first time around, which was a pretty easy timing window to exploit with any of the popular junglers at the time. I suppose Mundo top may have been pretty good though, in retrospect.
I think he's refering to very early S3 after the Cleaver nerfs, when Warmogs was ridiculous.
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On January 16 2014 14:56 UnKooL wrote:
There's a lot of tempnamexxxx on high elo streams...those are manually changed names right?
For the most part, those are players who have been reported for bad user names and Riot has changed them to "tempname####" and they can't unchange their name (with RP/IP) until they talk to Riot Player Support.
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Bearded Elder29904 Posts
Holy crap, that's like 1200 games of Mordekaiser only T_T I'd get bored after 3 games.
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http://www.twitch.tv/sotl/b/495563534
State of the league (similar to state of the game) with thorin on today. F'ing hilarious. Thorin made everyone look like amatuers in the league scene. His knowledge of League is 100 times theirs and League is the only game they probably follow whereas Thorin watches almost every Esports game.
I laughed so hard
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Pootie too good!4331 Posts
what did he say? short summary?
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On January 16 2014 17:37 JonGalt wrote:
what did he say? short summary?
power rankings being bullshit because it was crafted from a committee/voting, ogn finals to be shit, and why creating fake hype for a finals is pointless, alliance sucking in the opening week of eu lcs, and his perception on what they need to do to change it up, xdgg's roster change being stupid because generally roleswaps are done to improve a role.
that was just lightly skimming the surface. oh, and he made some hilarious quips about chauster and xdgg.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
THORIN DISSING ON MUH SEA LEAGUE. I'M GONNA BURN HIS HOUSE.
Traivs: Someone good that watches all the regions
Thorin: Is that someone really chauster?
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Anyone tried out Hecarim/Maokai/Skarner with the new Spirit Stone? Better or worse than before the changes? Viable in your opinions?
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Isn't thorin the guy that said frost was going to beat Ozone ?
LOL
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