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[Patch 4.1] Season 4 Start General Discussion - Page 18

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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20322 Posts
January 16 2014 01:15 GMT
#341
I always call her Kaylee :3

i like cute names though
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 16 2014 01:18 GMT
#342
i was playing khazix jungle all of season 3 when people said it was shit, now nothing changes and it's fotm op

like dfg ahri

or fizz in general

hmmm
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
January 16 2014 01:23 GMT
#343
Nothing changed for junglers ? He is so good now cause you get farmed like crazy with the new jungle gold.
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
January 16 2014 01:23 GMT
#344
On January 16 2014 10:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i was playing khazix jungle all of season 3 when people said it was shit, now nothing changes and it's fotm op

like dfg ahri

or fizz in general

hmmm


Yes, absolutely nothing changed between the start of season 3 and now.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 16 2014 01:44 GMT
#345
On January 16 2014 10:23 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 10:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i was playing khazix jungle all of season 3 when people said it was shit, now nothing changes and it's fotm op

like dfg ahri

or fizz in general

hmmm


Yes, absolutely nothing changed between the start of season 3 and now.


i meant, nothing about khazix changes, sorry
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
IamPryda
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1186 Posts
January 16 2014 01:47 GMT
#346
On January 16 2014 09:41 Kenpark wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 09:30 GolemMadness wrote:
Was thinking about picking up Khazix jungle since Eve got nerfed and Mundo's always banned now, but I guess not. Who should I start playing that's relatively nerf-proof?!


Ye play him anyways till he gets nerfed. Its not that he is hard to pick up. Pretty straight forward to play. Sth like Elise is prob nerf proof.
With the jungle item change giving more regen (sb said that here, havent tested myself) I think Kayle will be a big thing in the jungle. He should be pretty fast in the jungle with a lot of mana, has sustain, nice ganks and lategame is a monster. I will def try him out.
This is not testproof though lol.

elise is anything but nerf proof she was just so op 5 nerfs and ppl still play her
Moar banelings less qq
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-16 03:04:49
January 16 2014 01:59 GMT
#347
Elise was probably one of the most overpowered champions on release. While she had a higher skill ceiling than zyra for example, I actually think that at full skill potential, release elise is stronger than release zyra. The fact that elise has eaten nerfs to every single ability and still remained a fairly hotly contested champion is fairly good evidence of this
Porouscloud - NA LoL
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 16 2014 02:12 GMT
#348
On January 16 2014 10:44 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 10:23 Ketara wrote:
On January 16 2014 10:18 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i was playing khazix jungle all of season 3 when people said it was shit, now nothing changes and it's fotm op

like dfg ahri

or fizz in general

hmmm


Yes, absolutely nothing changed between the start of season 3 and now.


i meant, nothing about khazix changes, sorry

are you fucking kidding me? >.>
his W got changed to be a one point ganking wonder in jungle.
and pretty much the vision reduction changes meant, that people in jungle could actually afford to buy items rather than oracles every couple of minutes.

That's like playing corki all of season 3, and saying "SEE! I KNEW CORKI WAS GOOD!" after s3 World's.
liftlift > tsm
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
January 16 2014 02:23 GMT
#349
On January 16 2014 09:13 Parnage wrote:
So what's the deal with Lulu exactly? I enjoy playing her but annie/thresh/leona(trisupport of justice?) just seem to bowl her over. I feel like I could handle the annie or leona if I played better and hex'd them as they tried to run in/hurl a stun but it never seems to work out.

What are people maxing on her these days, still glitter lance right?


I recently picked up Lulu, she is decent against Annie but Thresh and Leona can be rough early. She is still played at the pro level sometimes. I think it is her teamfight that makes her viable, also her ult is great with Yasuo. I really like playing her with Jinx and maxing glitterlance first gives that lane so much poke. Also, she is easily the most hilarious champion in the game.
I got nothin'...
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
January 16 2014 02:31 GMT
#350
On January 16 2014 10:59 Amui wrote:
Elise was probably one of the most overpowered champions on release. While she had a higher skill ceiling than zyra for example, I actually think that at full skill potential, release elise is stronger than release zyra. The fact that elise has eaten needs to every single ability and still remained a fairly hotly contested champion is fairly good evidence of this

Fairly hotly contested? I like how you are underselling it lol
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35165 Posts
January 16 2014 02:34 GMT
#351
On January 16 2014 11:31 JazzVortical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 10:59 Amui wrote:
Elise was probably one of the most overpowered champions on release. While she had a higher skill ceiling than zyra for example, I actually think that at full skill potential, release elise is stronger than release zyra. The fact that elise has eaten needs to every single ability and still remained a fairly hotly contested champion is fairly good evidence of this

Fairly hotly contested? I like how you are underselling it lol

It's region dependent.
SagaZ
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
France3460 Posts
January 16 2014 02:48 GMT
#352
On January 16 2014 11:23 YouGotNothin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 09:13 Parnage wrote:
So what's the deal with Lulu exactly? I enjoy playing her but annie/thresh/leona(trisupport of justice?) just seem to bowl her over. I feel like I could handle the annie or leona if I played better and hex'd them as they tried to run in/hurl a stun but it never seems to work out.

What are people maxing on her these days, still glitter lance right?


I recently picked up Lulu, she is decent against Annie but Thresh and Leona can be rough early. She is still played at the pro level sometimes. I think it is her teamfight that makes her viable, also her ult is great with Yasuo. I really like playing her with Jinx and maxing glitterlance first gives that lane so much poke. Also, she is easily the most hilarious champion in the game.

Lulu is actually very good against Tresh imo, she also does well vs leona imo. She has alot of answers in all in fights those 2 want to force. and she has good poke. I find her at her weakest against supports that force engages from a middle range distance, like zyra, sona or annie
Be nice, buy wards and don't feed double buff.
R11
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Canada213 Posts
January 16 2014 02:55 GMT
#353
On January 16 2014 09:13 Parnage wrote:
So what's the deal with Lulu exactly? I enjoy playing her but annie/thresh/leona(trisupport of justice?) just seem to bowl her over. I feel like I could handle the annie or leona if I played better and hex'd them as they tried to run in/hurl a stun but it never seems to work out.

What are people maxing on her these days, still glitter lance right?


I still find her to be playable but you have to be much more cautious now than before when it comes to spacing yourself. I start doran's shield and 0/16/14 masteries.

Against Leona/Thresh, I don't believe I had trouble hitting lvl 2 first and pushing the wave in so there's more opportunities to harass safely. For me, I just try to get as much poke in as possible and limit the times they can hard engage onto you. I don't know the skill level of the supports you face, the support's I've gone against aren't at the point where they can accurately judge their all in at lower HP so they generally stay passive if you manage to get good pokes in.

Annie is the annoying one and I believe this is won on how well you coordinate with your AD. I try to keep a distance where you can minimize damage done to you even if annie was to use her stun. Again, the Annie's I've played against aren't aggressive to the point where you have 0 space, you can still dance around her stun range and get space for your AD. Lulu's E-Q combo is further range than Annie's spells, but my experience is starting dorans shield leaves you lacking mana quickly so is best to just find better poke opportunities instead.

The Annie/Leona burst at 6 is pretty insane and I really don't think there's much solutions to it. IIRC post 6, we just play passively near our tower and it doesn't seem too bad although your likely to burn summoners if they decide to hard engage.

I still go for R>Q>W>E.

Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 16 2014 03:22 GMT
#354
Today I finally broke 40k IP.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-16 03:27:24
January 16 2014 03:27 GMT
#355
On January 16 2014 12:22 Sufficiency wrote:
Today I finally broke 40k IP.

You may have over 9000 IP, but you do not yet have 42kIP exactly.


...neither do I.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
January 16 2014 03:27 GMT
#356
oh my god whose league with thorin, he's going so hard.
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 16 2014 03:32 GMT
#357
Initial impression on new jungle items is that I am ALWAYS low on mana on Eve now. No more mana regen + mana steal cut in half = ??? I imagine it must be pretty tough for Amumu now.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
January 16 2014 03:33 GMT
#358
On January 16 2014 12:32 GolemMadness wrote:
Initial impression on new jungle items is that I am ALWAYS low on mana on Eve now. No more mana regen + mana steal cut in half = ??? I imagine it must be pretty tough for Amumu now.


Not really cut in half. Changed from 8% on spell damage to 4% on all damage.

Big nerf though yeah. But you get 30 more AP!
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-16 03:37:42
January 16 2014 03:37 GMT
#359
On January 16 2014 12:32 GolemMadness wrote:
Initial impression on new jungle items is that I am ALWAYS low on mana on Eve now. No more mana regen + mana steal cut in half = ??? I imagine it must be pretty tough for Amumu now.

You have your passive on Eve, use it pls. :<

5%max mana every 5sec is hard.

+ Show Spoiler +
yeah Eve has mana problems now, oh well; she needs to pay for the stealth somehow
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
January 16 2014 03:38 GMT
#360
On January 16 2014 12:33 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 16 2014 12:32 GolemMadness wrote:
Initial impression on new jungle items is that I am ALWAYS low on mana on Eve now. No more mana regen + mana steal cut in half = ??? I imagine it must be pretty tough for Amumu now.


Not really cut in half. Changed from 8% on spell damage to 4% on all damage.

Big nerf though yeah. But you get 30 more AP!


Ok, maybe like 35-40% less for Eve. Probably something like 45% less for Amumu.
http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=FLABREZU
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