EPTI am not saying he is bad or anything, but I can see how he just wants to play his own kind of game.
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I am not saying he is bad or anything, but I can see how he just wants to play his own kind of game. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On February 05 2014 20:26 Numy wrote: NA/EU teams don't even scrim eachother to my knowledge and NA cried about not having enough good teams in NA to play so that's why they were bad. Doesn't really make sense to me coming from Dota background where NA/EU always played with eachother and even formed teams together. Ping & server difference would make it hard to scrim each other properly. On February 05 2014 19:21 Alaric wrote: From the Vel'Koz teasers it appears that Lissandra won the Frejold event. But... where did they announce it? http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=40716395#post40716395 | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
On February 05 2014 22:17 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: How do you guys deeal with Draven in botlane? My jinx is like 26-12 at the moment, with 5/12 losses being from the vs Draven games. He just shits on me. What ADC does well vs him or how am I supposed to deal with him other than begging jungle to camp? Plat I elo atm. He's strong, especially in higher levels where Dravens can play competently. It's a skill matchup in my opinion, but if you die to Draven, he's gonna snowball hard. If you're not comfortable against him, I'd say to play more passively if you winning means a lot to you, otherwise just play aggressive to learn the matchup. | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
On February 05 2014 22:17 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: How do you guys deeal with Draven in botlane? My jinx is like 26-12 at the moment, with 5/12 losses being from the vs Draven games. He just shits on me. What ADC does well vs him or how am I supposed to deal with him other than begging jungle to camp? Plat I elo atm. just play passive let him push lane with his Q then punish him with ganks, if hes gonna just freeze lane then let him be cos theres no way to farm his stacks by freezing lane. U need to lvl up to max ur Q to increase rocket range and harass him, u cant do anything to draven early game cos his lv3 is just too hard to handle | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
In fact I think different regions actually value different things about the game: KR seems to be the most objective focused, trying to be as efficient as possible. CN obviously has their aggression, trying to put an opponent into unfavourable position and snowballing from there. EU doesn't have the same amount of staff to be as efficient and prepared as Asians, so instead they try to play to their opponents a bit more than other regions (with Fnatic setting a lot of baits and traps, Roccat straight up adapting to whatever their opponents are doing and Gambit trying to catch enemies off guard with individual plays and Alex+Diamond+Edward roaming). I'm not even a pro player and I think I learn a lot about the game by watching all the different regions, it's hard to believe that teams watching different regions' top teams (individually or together) couldn't learn anything new and useful. Of course their time may be better spent just practicing in-game, these are just my speculations. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
Given that 2v2's should be seen from a 2v2 perspective, this is how it's gonna be adressed. Jinx vs Draven seems like a fair match-up imo. The biggest issue could be coming from a support with a lot of poke (Lulu/Annie,) slowing you or disabling you in order for Draven to get off some free axe-auto attacks before you can throw E and back off or, someone like Leona, who can punish you relatively easy, because you have no escape. Get your support to pick Leona/Blitzcrank/Thresh (Alistar can work too, but u need to be very reliable on the WQ combos in order to stay as effective as aforementioned 3) they are the only one who are tanky enough to live through the immense sustained dps that Draven is able to pull out..These supports are also among the best of abusing the biggest weak point of Draven which is his Spinning Axes. Every time he tries to catch it, it's relatively easy to punish him, because you know where he's gonna move to. As Jinx, the key point is not eating too much poke. Every auto he does, is far greater than yours because of his Spinning Axes. It's hard to really describe it in details, so I'll say something along the lanes of what I've heard several outstanding ad carries say: "The more you evade, the better you are". Safe hitting, safe poking with your W and he should oppose no direct threat to you. With that said, it's much about looking at the enemy support's movements because that's really from who you will be seeing the initiation 9 out of 10 times. If you can dodge the hook/zenith blade or slighty position yourself more safely after eating something like Glitterlance, it will often turn the trades in favor for you. This is the main key when playing All-in versus All-in Supports, because you'll have a time window of 5-10 seconds of trying to all-in yourself while the enemy is forced to back. if you use this properly, you'll gain the cs and experience advantage slowly but safely  | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
On February 05 2014 22:40 Sponkz wrote: @NeedsmoreCELLTECH Given that 2v2's should be seen from a 2v2 perspective, this is how it's gonna be adressed. Jinx vs Draven seems like a fair match-up imo. The biggest issue could be coming from a support with a lot of poke (Lulu/Annie,) slowing you or disabling you in order for Draven to get off some free axe-auto attacks before you can throw E and back off or, someone like Leona, who can punish you relatively easy, because you have no escape. Get your support to pick Leona/Blitzcrank/Thresh (Alistar can work too, but u need to be very reliable on the WQ combos in order to stay as effective as aforementioned 3) they are the only one who are tanky enough to live through the immense sustained dps that Draven is able to pull out..These supports are also among the best of abusing the biggest weak point of Draven which is his Spinning Axes. Every time he tries to catch it, it's relatively easy to punish him, because you know where he's gonna move to. As Jinx, the key point is not eating too much poke. Every auto he does, is far greater than yours because of his Spinning Axes. It's hard to really describe it in details, so I'll say something along the lanes of what I've heard several outstanding ad carries say: "The more you evade, the better you are". Safe hitting, safe poking with your W and he should oppose no direct threat to you. With that said, it's much about looking at the enemy support's movements because that's really from who you will be seeing the initiation 9 out of 10 times. If you can dodge the hook/zenith blade or slighty position yourself more safely after eating a something like Glitterlance, it will often turn the trades in favor for you. This is the main key when playing All-in versus All-in Supports, because you'll have a time window of 5-10 seconds of trying to all-in yourself while the enemy is forced to back. if you use this properly, you'll gain the cs and experience advantage slowly but safely Alright, that sounds fair. I just feel that my 2v2 is so much weaker than Draven's that I fall behind in farm. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On February 05 2014 22:55 Yezzus wrote: Is Duoing even worth it if you want to rise? I enjoy being first pick all the time but often it feels like the other team is stacked or your team mates are much inferior to the other team. I feel like I lose 80% of my duo games and win much more playing alone. The point of duoing isn't to rise in solo queue. It's to brave the infinite horrors of the yolo queue with a companion by your side. If you're not enjoying that, play yourself. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19573 Posts
On February 05 2014 17:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote: I kinda hope this conversation stops soon, since it's so cyclical, but he already said that trying to copy the best (metagame, etc.) doesn't make you the best. It will at the best only ever make you come second. Additionally, Qtpie actually has quite a bit of drive and motivation, despite what his manner would suggest. First of all, his logic is wrong, Nick Saban and whoever his QB are certainly watch Oregon, etc. Secondly, being second in the world would be awesome for qt. | ||
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Ota Solgryn
Denmark2011 Posts
On February 05 2014 23:20 cLutZ wrote: First of all, his logic is wrong, Nick Saban and whoever his QB are certainly watch Oregon, etc. Secondly, being second in the world would be awesome for qt. If you want to be the best at something you watch and, if possible, play against the best. Then you absorb whatever they are doing that you didn't think about and try to incorperate it into you game while you develop yourself in practice to stand out and above those that might beat you. If you isolate yourself you are never going to get better than the best becuase one person can never develop all the best moves and playstyles there is in any game. Time and time again in new games some people are really good at "figuring things out", while others are much better at expanding on and perfecting those things. The former are the ones that goes on short, crazy winnings streaks, the latter are the ones that slowly get to the top and stay there for a while. | ||
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NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Netherlands1242 Posts
On February 05 2014 22:45 Sponkz wrote: Could you give some examples of the 2v2's or maybe a link to lolking? I'll run LeagueRecorder for a few days and give you a replay next time I get owned ok? | ||
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Inflicted
Australia18228 Posts
On February 05 2014 23:52 Ota Solgryn wrote: If you want to be the best at something you watch and, if possible, play against the best. Then you absorb whatever they are doing that you didn't think about and try to incorperate it into you game while you develop yourself in practice to stand out and above those that might beat you. If you isolate yourself you are never going to get better than the best becuase one person can never develop all the best moves and playstyles there is in any game. Time and time again in new games some people are really good at "figuring things out", while others are much better at expanding on and perfecting those things. The former are the ones that goes on short, crazy winnings streaks, the latter are the ones that slowly get to the top and stay there for a while. Except Qtpie is an ADC and watching every single game of OGN and spending 20 hours breaking it down might not even help him. The two most of important aspects of being a great ADC (and perhaps bot-lane synergy) is mechanics and positioning. He isn't an analyst or shot-caller, so taking in all the strategies and decisions of other teams won't necessarily benefit his own play and would be a waste of time compared to time spent improving his mechanics or teamwork. Each team thinks and teamfight differently and you just can't adopt how someone like Piglet - who knows that Impact/Faker/ManDu has his back - positions in a fight | ||
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Sandster
United States4054 Posts
On February 05 2014 23:15 AsmodeusXI wrote: The point of duoing isn't to rise in solo queue. It's to brave the infinite horrors of the yolo queue with a companion by your side. If you're not enjoying that, play yourself. And also to avoid the horrible, horrible duo queues that you're always paired with for some inexplicable reason. By turning into them yourself. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
I think we are on similar levels, but I feel I play more conservatively and I am more technical, while he is more like a play maker... very aggressive and whore up kills. It feels to me that he does well when he is ahead and throw really hard otherwise (due to poor itemization choices and decisions) while I usually do OK regardless what happens but do not carry really hard. I think we complement each other well. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On February 06 2014 00:16 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote: I'll run LeagueRecorder for a few days and give you a replay next time I get owned ok? Oh snap, you misunderstood me. By examples, just write what match-ups you feel like favors your enemy (e.g Jinx/Leona vs Thresh/Draven and so on). That's why i also asked for your lolking, i can look through it quickly and give response | ||
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