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On February 05 2014 18:01 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 17:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On February 05 2014 17:26 JazzVortical wrote:On February 05 2014 16:49 wei2coolman wrote:On February 05 2014 16:43 JazzVortical wrote:On February 05 2014 16:25 oneofthem wrote:
qtpie is an adc. not like he's gonna play any differently just because he watches ogn all day Might play better though. Is he all of a sudden going to be last hitting better? or kiting better? I meant that he might get ideas on how to play better. Plus if he sees people that are better than him, it might drive him to work on his mechanics. I kinda hope this conversation stops soon, since it's so cyclical, but he already said that trying to copy the best (metagame, etc.) doesn't make you the best. It will at the best only ever make you come second. Additionally, Qtpie actually has quite a bit of drive and motivation, despite what his manner would suggest. That's absurd. The way you learn is from studying the best.
I would merely like to point out that I'm pretty certain qtpie, and dignitas as a whole, doesn't have a mentality that they can't learn from Korea. In fact, in the Thorin interview, qtpie stated that you can't ever hope to be the best if all you do is copy the best (not that he doesn't learn from Korea wtf?). And I would agree. I don't think any team that just emulates Korea will ever beat Korea.
If you look at the western team with the most successful winrate against Koreans it's Gambit. And they 100% have their own style. I'm sure Alex and Diamond and Genja and the rest of the team watch OGN and learn from it but they don't just copy/paste it. Doesn't really matter to me if it came off as arrogant or whatever I think qtpie was completely on point when he said, "you can't ever beat the Koreans if all you do is copy the Koreans."
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Not as relevant now and probably not enough games for it to be a truly accurate sample but if anyone remembers TSM in Season 2 I think it can illustrate the point beautifully. TSM just straight tried to copy Gambit and that was it. It worked fine in NA where they had a crazy good winrate but everytime they played Gambit they got completely dumpstered. I think if a team wants to just crush NA then sure, copy the Koreans. But any team striving to be #1 in the world isn't going to achieve that goal by just copying what Koreans do.
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I was wondering if I could get a quick survey of responses from people who play League of Legends on laptops.
a)What laptop are you using? (cost estimate would be nice as well)
b)How well does it play LoL? (fps/settings [resolution, and quality of textures])
c)Does it have dGPU? or integrated. (if dGPU, which one?)
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Reminds me of when C9 threw an ego fit because Curse "stole [their] Ashe/Zyra lane". I mean, it's not like they were outright wrong to pretend they did it first as it was a Gambit thing, nor was it like Curse at the time had Gambit's former support as a starter. 
^ my laptop has something like 2+ years, was run of the mill when I bought it, runs LoL fine without any issues. I paid something like 700€ for it?
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On February 06 2014 03:07 overt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 05 2014 18:01 GolemMadness wrote:On February 05 2014 17:33 GhandiEAGLE wrote:On February 05 2014 17:26 JazzVortical wrote:On February 05 2014 16:49 wei2coolman wrote:On February 05 2014 16:43 JazzVortical wrote:On February 05 2014 16:25 oneofthem wrote:
qtpie is an adc. not like he's gonna play any differently just because he watches ogn all day Might play better though. Is he all of a sudden going to be last hitting better? or kiting better? I meant that he might get ideas on how to play better. Plus if he sees people that are better than him, it might drive him to work on his mechanics. I kinda hope this conversation stops soon, since it's so cyclical, but he already said that trying to copy the best (metagame, etc.) doesn't make you the best. It will at the best only ever make you come second. Additionally, Qtpie actually has quite a bit of drive and motivation, despite what his manner would suggest. That's absurd. The way you learn is from studying the best. I would merely like to point out that I'm pretty certain qtpie, and dignitas as a whole, doesn't have a mentality that they can't learn from Korea. In fact, in the Thorin interview, qtpie stated that you can't ever hope to be the best if all you do is copy the best (not that he doesn't learn from Korea wtf?). And I would agree. I don't think any team that just emulates Korea will ever beat Korea. If you look at the western team with the most successful winrate against Koreans it's Gambit. And they 100% have their own style. I'm sure Alex and Diamond and Genja and the rest of the team watch OGN and learn from it but they don't just copy/paste it. Doesn't really matter to me if it came off as arrogant or whatever I think qtpie was completely on point when he said, "you can't ever beat the Koreans if all you do is copy the Koreans." edit: Not as relevant now and probably not enough games for it to be a truly accurate sample but if anyone remembers TSM in Season 2 I think it can illustrate the point beautifully. TSM just straight tried to copy Gambit and that was it. It worked fine in NA where they had a crazy good winrate but everytime they played Gambit they got completely dumpstered. I think if a team wants to just crush NA then sure, copy the Koreans. But any team striving to be #1 in the world isn't going to achieve that goal by just copying what Koreans do.
I have to say, the main thing I've gotten out of this discussion is that Vlanitak is a smart analyst. He's taking what people see as a problem with Qtpie and turning it into an advantage. Using Qtpie's lack of interest in watching the Korean scene as a way to foolproof strategies other Dig members might pick up from watching OGN is a pretty clever idea. Qt's looking at these strategies from a point of view completely outside of the Korean meta, and so he might see something nobody else would. I don't know how much it's actually helped them so far, but that post he made about using Qt as a "fresh set of eyes" made it clear he's a good coach/analyst.
Also, thinking about it more, I don't really have that much of a problem with players in NA or EU not watching OGN - at least during the LCS season. They're not going to be playing anyone from OGN until worlds, and studying how Korean teams play mid-LCS isn't really going to help them to figure out what their opponents are doing. You don't see the Patriots studying the 49ers game tape every week or vice versa because they might play each other in the Superbowl, you see them studying the teams they're up against - even if it's a shit team with a horrible record.
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Wasn't going to get Heartseeker Ashe, but after seeing in-game model and some of the art work for it.....
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
On February 06 2014 03:54 Alaric wrote:Reminds me of when C9 threw an ego fit because Curse "stole [their] Ashe/Zyra lane". I mean, it's not like they were outright wrong to pretend they did it first as it was a Gambit thing, nor was it like Curse at the time had Gambit's former support as a starter. ^ my laptop has something like 2+ years, was run of the mill when I bought it, runs LoL fine without any issues. I paid something like 700€ for it?
Ashe+Zyra duolane was the czech metagame about 2 months before C9 ever busted it out yo
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On February 06 2014 03:48 wei2coolman wrote:
I was wondering if I could get a quick survey of responses from people who play League of Legends on laptops.
a)What laptop are you using? (cost estimate would be nice as well)
b)How well does it play LoL? (fps/settings [resolution, and quality of textures])
c)Does it have dGPU? or integrated. (if dGPU, which one?)
1. Asus U46E (around $700 3 years ago)
2. I play on low (habit from BW and SC2), no problems whatsoever. I can run medium if I want fine, but I drop frames during big fights on high.
3. Nope. Its not a gaming laptop-- it doesn't even have a dedicated graphics card
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you dont need to study the best to become better. You just need to make sure you are better than you were yesterday.
+ Show Spoiler +
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United States15536 Posts
On February 06 2014 04:13 Slayer91 wrote:you dont need to study the best to become better. You just need to make sure you are better than you were yesterday. + Show Spoiler +
Okay, I lol'd.
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Yesterday, all my troubles seemed so far away~
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lol you didnt know who the beatles were last week
or was it someone else
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lol who doesn't know the beatles
they're more popular than jesus i hear
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Czech Republic11293 Posts
Dude I used to listen to Beatles years ago
I can't help but think that the person you are talking about is HD
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Cant wait for the Ashe skin.....so opposing teams can play her and get destroyed due to how bad she is.
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+ Show Spoiler +On February 05 2014 18:13 canikizu wrote:
Even if you don't want to learn from the best, the Koreans, if your opponents are those that learn and use the Korean tactic, you still have to start to learn to counter it, and the best way is learning from Koreans. But well, since Dignitas' goal for LoL is to not win LCS, but to not dropping off LCS, I guess that's enough
Our goal isnt to win the LCS you are right, it is simply a convenient step to our actual goal:
Ripping the trophy from the dead hands of Koreans on their home turf.
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United States15536 Posts
On February 06 2014 04:47 Vlanitak wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 05 2014 18:13 canikizu wrote:
Even if you don't want to learn from the best, the Koreans, if your opponents are those that learn and use the Korean tactic, you still have to start to learn to counter it, and the best way is learning from Koreans. But well, since Dignitas' goal for LoL is to not win LCS, but to not dropping off LCS, I guess that's enough
Our goal isnt to win the LCS you are right, it is simply a convenient step to our actual goal: Ripping the trophy from the dead hands of Koreans on their home turf.
LOL DAMN SON
That was badass.
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On February 06 2014 03:48 wei2coolman wrote:
I was wondering if I could get a quick survey of responses from people who play League of Legends on laptops.
a)What laptop are you using? (cost estimate would be nice as well)
b)How well does it play LoL? (fps/settings [resolution, and quality of textures])
c)Does it have dGPU? or integrated. (if dGPU, which one?)
I used to play on a Sony Vaio E with a HD5750. It'd do League well, but the noise I couldn't bear. Such a racket if you demand anything from the GPU. It got good fps on 1600x900, average settings for textures. Price was ~€800. Though you'd be able to get a lot better than that now. If I had to buy a lappie to game on now I'd probably go Lenovo.
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On February 06 2014 03:48 wei2coolman wrote:
I was wondering if I could get a quick survey of responses from people who play League of Legends on laptops.
a)What laptop are you using? (cost estimate would be nice as well)
b)How well does it play LoL? (fps/settings [resolution, and quality of textures])
c)Does it have dGPU? or integrated. (if dGPU, which one?)
2 year old Sony VAIO se(first gen). Cost just under 1k(not including later RAM/storage upgrades which shouldn't matter). Runs full medium with high models at 80-100fps at 1920x1080. Discrete 6630m. Iirc the integrated is Intel 3000m, and that can run default at all low with like 40-50fps. I went through the trouble of getting updated 3rd part drivers, so YMMV. Don't expect manufacturers to get anything close to the latest drivers installed or updated on their websites.
Pretty much any laptop you buy, as long as it has discrete graphics will let you play league with >60fps on some settings.
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After my 14th straight promotion series loss (not QQ), I have come to a realization.
My (gaming) life is a vicious cycle of joy and despair, held in the hands of 9 random strangers on the internet who I will never meet. Hopefully by winning 3-4/losing 2 at the rate that I am currently doing so, my MMR will skyrocket high enough to finally skip the series. Last season I was Silver I 90ish LP but I had pick priority over Plat IV and III from so many series losses, right now I'm sitting at a pretty normal MMR for my division it seems.
When does that change go into effect? Or has it already happened. I know you can skip some divisions by winning your series but I hope I can skip series entirely. Also those hilarious smurfs that are Bronze I but have diamond MMR from dodging every series will no longer exist sadly.
On February 06 2014 03:48 wei2coolman wrote:
I was wondering if I could get a quick survey of responses from people who play League of Legends on laptops.
a)What laptop are you using? (cost estimate would be nice as well)
b)How well does it play LoL? (fps/settings [resolution, and quality of textures])
c)Does it have dGPU? or integrated. (if dGPU, which one?)
1. ASUS U47VC (was 650 USD)
2. I used Medium character models, medium spell effects, no shadows, v low ground textures, holds up 45+ FPS (60FPS if I have nothing running in the background) for the most part except crazy teamfights where it dips.
3. Yes, a Nvidia Geforce 620M.
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