EPT[Patch 4.1] Season 4 Start General Discussion - Page 169
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On February 04 2014 01:55 nafta wrote: Except fiddle is terrible at engaging. Lol what league are you | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
truly Counter Logic Europe! | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
d4 atm | ||
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Kyrie
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23444 Posts
On February 04 2014 01:12 Alaric wrote: Eh, Tibbers' AoE is good enough to pull off 2+-man stuns, same with Solar Flare. Leona's damage is def mostly single target tough, sure her passive brings more AoE than Blitz, Alistar, Nami, and potentially Thresh (depends who eats her ult and W and if someone eats multiple Box walls since past the first for the same person the damage is halved) but not enough for a bursty all-in support. Fiddle's better at bush control though since he's not reliant on Flash to initiate if you don't have vision of him, and that's what gives him so much pressure. Otherwise he still doesn't burst as hard as Leona or Annie, but if your target is cc'd for 4+ seconds (3s Fear + 1.2+s Silence) that should be enough to kill them before they flash out or to let your allies chain their own cc. Obv. with a fear losing 25% of its duration it's another thing... Difference is also that his level 1 is way stronger than Leona's or Annie's because bouncing crows stronk. good luck against leona stun on more than 1 person, you'll get the slows maybe. its cast time is too long tibbes is a lot stronger engage but annie is squishy and leona isnt leona is pretty much unkillably tanky if you get a decent amount of gold to get 2.5k+ hp, but her damage is pretty weak and her CDs are fairly long. she's kinda like the CCing counterpart to garen (who is primarily a damage threat with little CC) fiddles engage sucks in terms of how easy it is to engage, but in terms of strength its ridiculously strong. annie has probably the easiest engage with flash tibber, but its also pretty risky to jump in with a squishy support even if you build rather tanky. Annie's E is one reason why she's strong though, it helps you not get melted. | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On February 04 2014 02:09 GhandiEAGLE wrote: We covered that his engage is hard to pull off. What we spent the last page clarifying is that his engage is powerful (his aoe is in most situations the strongest in the game). Of course Annie and Leona have snap-trigger engages that are strong single target, that's why they're also used. So?Being reliable>being stronger by far.Poppy is beast with items but noone picks her same reason.She isn't reliable.Fiddle jungle is different obviously. | ||
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On February 04 2014 02:07 nafta wrote: Problem with fiddle is you need setup time and ward coverage annie and leona just go.That is why they are better by far. On February 04 2014 01:55 nafta wrote: Except fiddle is terrible at engaging. You kinda explained it yourself, way to go nafta <3 | ||
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AlterKot
Poland7525 Posts
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GhandiEAGLE
United States20754 Posts
On February 04 2014 02:18 nafta wrote: So?Being reliable>being stronger by far.Poppy is beast with items but noone picks her same reason.She isn't reliable.Fiddle jungle is different obviously. But Fiddle isn't a completely unreliable engage. Comparing him to Poppy isn't quite on the mark, since Poppy is far more unreliable than Fiddle. His engage is hard, but not so far outside the realm of possibility that it makes it bad. | ||
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Diamond
United States10796 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On February 04 2014 02:22 AlterKot wrote: Tabzz was playing mid before he joined Lemondogs, so at least half of the potential swap makes sense. And unlike Xmithy, Froggen isn't really considered the best at his role anymore. Tabzz was an amazing mid, I wouldn't mind him at mid again. Froggen ADC less so but idk how good he'd be | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
What's up with Singed? Do they bully him out too much early? | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 04 2014 02:49 Requizen wrote: So the top meta now is tanky dudes like Shyv and Mundo, right? What's up with Singed? Do they bully him out too much early? He has this blue bar underneath his green bar.... | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On February 04 2014 02:54 cLutZ wrote: He has this blue bar underneath his green bar.... So what you're saying is.... I should play Zac. | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
On February 04 2014 02:54 cLutZ wrote: He has this blue bar underneath his green bar.... lol mana isnt an issue here, rather the fact he needs 2 ap items to do same dmg as shy/mundo | ||
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Kyrie
1594 Posts
still somewhat viable (as in i wouldn't call him a troll pick) but only as a tier 2 comfort pick | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On an aside, I've been taking clarity on Nami with ad's who can benefit from it, I feel like it's pretty strong. | ||
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