• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 04:16
CEST 10:16
KST 17:16
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
Serral wins EWC 202537Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 202510Power Rank - Esports World Cup 202580RSL Season 1 - Final Week9[ASL19] Finals Recap: Standing Tall15
Community News
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments3[BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder9EWC 2025 - Replay Pack4Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced50BSL Team Wars - Bonyth, Dewalt, Hawk & Sziky teams10
StarCraft 2
General
The GOAT ranking of GOAT rankings Serral wins EWC 2025 Tournament Spotlight: FEL Cracow 2025 Classic: "It's a thick wall to break through to become world champ" Firefly given lifetime ban by ESIC following match-fixing investigation
Tourneys
LiuLi Cup - August 2025 Tournaments Sea Duckling Open (Global, Bronze-Diamond) TaeJa vs Creator Bo7 SC Evo Showmatch Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament FEL Cracov 2025 (July 27) - $10,000 live event
Strategy
How did i lose this ZvP, whats the proper response
Custom Maps
External Content
Mutation # 484 Magnetic Pull Mutation #239 Bad Weather Mutation # 483 Kill Bot Wars Mutation # 482 Wheel of Misfortune
Brood War
General
Scmdraft 2 - 0.9.0 Preview BW General Discussion [BSL 2025] H2 - Team Wars, Weeklies & SB Ladder Google Play ASL (Season 20) Announced Which top zerg/toss will fail in qualifiers?
Tourneys
[ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 2 [ASL20] Online Qualifiers Day 1 [Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0
Strategy
[G] Mineral Boosting Muta micro map competition Does 1 second matter in StarCraft? Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Beyond All Reason Total Annihilation Server - TAForever [MMORPG] Tree of Savior (Successor of Ragnarok)
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Stop Killing Games - European Citizens Initiative
Fan Clubs
INnoVation Fan Club SKT1 Classic Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [\m/] Heavy Metal Thread Movie Discussion! [Manga] One Piece Korean Music Discussion
Sports
Formula 1 Discussion 2024 - 2025 Football Thread TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Gtx660 graphics card replacement Installation of Windows 10 suck at "just a moment" Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
TeamLiquid Team Shirt On Sale The Automated Ban List
Blogs
ASL S20 English Commentary…
namkraft
The Link Between Fitness and…
TrAiDoS
momentary artworks from des…
tankgirl
from making sc maps to makin…
Husyelt
StarCraft improvement
iopq
Socialism Anyone?
GreenHorizons
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 732 users

[Patch 4.1] Season 4 Start General Discussion - Page 170

Forum Index > LoL General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 168 169 170 171 172 232 Next
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-03 18:06:24
February 03 2014 18:05 GMT
#3381
On February 04 2014 03:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
On an aside, I've been taking clarity on Nami with ad's who can benefit from it, I feel like it's pretty strong.

I don't wanna sound mean but taking clarity and feeling like it's strong pretty much directly implies your opponents are terrible.

There is no reason possible it's better than ignite or exhaust in a 2v2 setting, let alone a teamfight.
The legend of Darien lives on
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 03 2014 18:08 GMT
#3382
Clarity Nami picked primarily for engaging is gonna be the next big thing man
Bronze player stuck in platinum
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
February 03 2014 18:12 GMT
#3383
On February 04 2014 02:56 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 02:54 cLutZ wrote:
On February 04 2014 02:49 Requizen wrote:
So the top meta now is tanky dudes like Shyv and Mundo, right?

What's up with Singed? Do they bully him out too much early?


He has this blue bar underneath his green bar....

So what you're saying is.... I should play Zac.


He is currently stronger than singed, lthough singed might be a decent pick against zac...

But really there is not point of tolerating Singed's weak earlygame when those other champions can proxy just as well or better than him for most of the game.
Freeeeeeedom
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
February 03 2014 18:14 GMT
#3384
Yeah if you wanna be an annoying splitpusher go tryndamere or ad nida.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 03 2014 18:16 GMT
#3385
Singed does not exist because there is cowl...
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
February 03 2014 18:38 GMT
#3386
On February 04 2014 03:05 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 03:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
On an aside, I've been taking clarity on Nami with ad's who can benefit from it, I feel like it's pretty strong.

I don't wanna sound mean but taking clarity and feeling like it's strong pretty much directly implies your opponents are terrible.

There is no reason possible it's better than ignite or exhaust in a 2v2 setting, let alone a teamfight.


Given I'm a member of the rare species of duo bot lanes which wins (like 70% of the time) as opposed to feeding miserably, you might be right. Clarity is obviously lousy in teamfights, and I'm sure even PrinceXizor would agree that it is instead of making a convoluted argument about its usefulness.

Nami has one of the most spam-happy kits out of any support. Her W is one of the best trading tools in the game-- at level 1 a bounce creates a minimum HP differential of 135 and scales by 70 per level with a .8AP ratio. Her Q lets her disengage very easily against any champ pre-6, and the combination of Q and W gives you a great anti-lvl 2. Combined with a champ like Cait or Varus who like using spells, its very strong.

On February 04 2014 03:08 Nos- wrote:
Clarity Nami picked primarily for engaging is gonna be the next big thing man


If you're going to be deliberately obtuse when I said the two things were separate...

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Cheap0
Profile Joined July 2012
United States540 Posts
February 03 2014 19:15 GMT
#3387
On February 04 2014 03:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
On an aside, I've been taking clarity on Nami with ad's who can benefit from it, I feel like it's pretty strong.


That takes guts. How often do you get raged at/accused of trolling/trolled when you do that?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 03 2014 19:28 GMT
#3388
On February 04 2014 02:25 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 02:18 nafta wrote:
On February 04 2014 02:09 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
We covered that his engage is hard to pull off. What we spent the last page clarifying is that his engage is powerful (his aoe is in most situations the strongest in the game). Of course Annie and Leona have snap-trigger engages that are strong single target, that's why they're also used.

So?Being reliable>being stronger by far.Poppy is beast with items but noone picks her same reason.She isn't reliable.Fiddle jungle is different obviously.

But Fiddle isn't a completely unreliable engage. Comparing him to Poppy isn't quite on the mark, since Poppy is far more unreliable than Fiddle. His engage is hard, but not so far outside the realm of possibility that it makes it bad.

The loss of oracle is a big point though, since the darker the map this the easier it is for Fiddle to engage from outside vision. Kinda like Zac, 'cept Fiddle actually has to work for it.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
February 03 2014 19:38 GMT
#3389
i tried revive teleport top ryze this season and lost all 3 ranked matches

must be the team
thug life.                                                       MVP/ex-
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
February 03 2014 19:38 GMT
#3390
I don't get clarity. At levels 5-6 it's like 2 mana potions. By the time you get chalice you're probably set mana-wise. And yet you're picking a summoner that's has weak teamfight and all-in potential all so that you can do the same thing that a few mana pots would have done for the early game. That's just weird.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-03 20:02:08
February 03 2014 20:00 GMT
#3391
On February 04 2014 04:15 Cheap0 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 03:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
On an aside, I've been taking clarity on Nami with ad's who can benefit from it, I feel like it's pretty strong.


That takes guts. How often do you get raged at/accused of trolling/trolled when you do that?


Pretty much every game, but a "weak" summoner is not so bad that people will outright quit. It could happen though, so that's something to consider. I was 4/4 yesterday with it (though I lost my 2 jungler games, so there's that).

Then I politely point out that bot lane is winning by 20 CS if we haven't gotten a first blood or a bunch of kills and they shut up. I got a lot more rage with Morgana/Draven duo lanes honestly.

I think in theory its weaker to jungle ganks, but Nami is a pretty slippery champ.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
February 03 2014 20:06 GMT
#3392
On February 04 2014 05:00 ticklishmusic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 04:15 Cheap0 wrote:
On February 04 2014 03:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
On an aside, I've been taking clarity on Nami with ad's who can benefit from it, I feel like it's pretty strong.


That takes guts. How often do you get raged at/accused of trolling/trolled when you do that?


Pretty much every game, but a "weak" summoner is not so bad that people will outright quit. It could happen though, so that's something to consider. I was 4/4 yesterday with it (though I lost my 2 jungler games, so there's that).

Then I politely point out that bot lane is winning by 20 CS if we haven't gotten a first blood or a bunch of kills and they shut up. I got a lot more rage with Morgana/Draven duo lanes honestly.

I think in theory its weaker to jungle ganks, but Nami is a pretty slippery champ.

No. We've been done with this.
It's your boy Guzma!
Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
February 03 2014 20:10 GMT
#3393
On February 04 2014 02:07 nafta wrote:
Problem with fiddle is you need setup time and ward coverage annie and leona just go.That is why they are better by far.


On the other hand, Fiddles isn't hard countered by Morgana because his fear is instant, roots don't stop fiddles ult, and his ult channel is under Morgana's Tether duration.

Annie, Leona, and Thresh on the other hand are relatively easy to shut down. Annie will need to flash to get in range past your root, which means you have a slight reaction time to black shield the tibbers. Leona and Thresh engages are really easy to black shield.
chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-03 20:23:35
February 03 2014 20:18 GMT
#3394
is there anything to mana management other than just not using your spells as often? i was kind of amazed yesterday seeing pobelter play gragas with just 2 doran's rings and not having any issues.

edit: just now realized that my tl username is chalice and i only read the LoL forums here, kind of blew my own mind with this post.
ZERG_RUSSIAN
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
10417 Posts
February 03 2014 20:24 GMT
#3395
CS well with 21/0/9 and dorans rings + W and you won't have problems
I'm on GOLD CHAIN
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4122 Posts
February 03 2014 20:26 GMT
#3396
Why did jungle suddenly become the most wanted role in soloq?
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
February 03 2014 20:28 GMT
#3397
On February 04 2014 05:06 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 05:00 ticklishmusic wrote:
On February 04 2014 04:15 Cheap0 wrote:
On February 04 2014 03:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
On an aside, I've been taking clarity on Nami with ad's who can benefit from it, I feel like it's pretty strong.


That takes guts. How often do you get raged at/accused of trolling/trolled when you do that?


Pretty much every game, but a "weak" summoner is not so bad that people will outright quit. It could happen though, so that's something to consider. I was 4/4 yesterday with it (though I lost my 2 jungler games, so there's that).

Then I politely point out that bot lane is winning by 20 CS if we haven't gotten a first blood or a bunch of kills and they shut up. I got a lot more rage with Morgana/Draven duo lanes honestly.

I think in theory its weaker to jungle ganks, but Nami is a pretty slippery champ.

No. We've been done with this.

She's pretty hard to catch.
Administrator@TL_Zess
| (• ◡•)|八 (❍ᴥ❍ʋ)
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
February 03 2014 20:29 GMT
#3398
On February 04 2014 05:28 xes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 04 2014 05:06 Requizen wrote:
On February 04 2014 05:00 ticklishmusic wrote:
On February 04 2014 04:15 Cheap0 wrote:
On February 04 2014 03:02 ticklishmusic wrote:
On an aside, I've been taking clarity on Nami with ad's who can benefit from it, I feel like it's pretty strong.


That takes guts. How often do you get raged at/accused of trolling/trolled when you do that?


Pretty much every game, but a "weak" summoner is not so bad that people will outright quit. It could happen though, so that's something to consider. I was 4/4 yesterday with it (though I lost my 2 jungler games, so there's that).

Then I politely point out that bot lane is winning by 20 CS if we haven't gotten a first blood or a bunch of kills and they shut up. I got a lot more rage with Morgana/Draven duo lanes honestly.

I think in theory its weaker to jungle ganks, but Nami is a pretty slippery champ.

No. We've been done with this.

She's pretty hard to catch.

Not if she's in a barrel
Bronze player stuck in platinum
silencefc
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States875 Posts
February 03 2014 20:30 GMT
#3399
On February 04 2014 05:26 Fildun wrote:
Why did jungle suddenly become the most wanted role in soloq?


Might be because of Nightblue3's stream and everyone falling in love with XJ9 style jungling.
Slice like a goddamn hammer.
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
February 03 2014 20:31 GMT
#3400
On February 04 2014 05:26 Fildun wrote:
Why did jungle suddenly become the most wanted role in soloq?

Essentially a solo lane without an opponent? Do whatever you want, have high impact on the game when you play well, blame the shitty laners when it goes poorly. Not sure why you're surprised it's popular now that it isn't support #2.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Prev 1 168 169 170 171 172 232 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Next event in 1h 44m
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Nina 277
StarCraft: Brood War
Calm 12937
ggaemo 1380
Hyun 579
Larva 491
firebathero 462
Hyuk 327
Leta 132
Dewaltoss 78
Noble 73
sorry 62
[ Show more ]
Mong 48
sSak 36
ivOry 2
Dota 2
monkeys_forever733
XcaliburYe467
League of Legends
JimRising 543
Counter-Strike
Stewie2K1089
Super Smash Bros
Westballz31
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor227
Other Games
summit1g8137
gofns2540
WinterStarcraft518
Fuzer 125
Mew2King88
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
Afreeca ASL 2531
UltimateBattle 164
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 13 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• davetesta54
• Dystopia_ 6
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1190
Upcoming Events
Sparkling Tuna Cup
1h 44m
BSL20 Non-Korean Champi…
5h 44m
Bonyth vs TBD
WardiTV European League
7h 44m
ByuN vs ShoWTimE
HeRoMaRinE vs MaxPax
Wardi Open
1d 2h
OSC
1d 15h
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
3 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
4 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
[ Show More ]
RSL Revival
6 days
uThermal 2v2 Circuit
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

ASL Season 20: Qualifier #1
FEL Cracow 2025
CC Div. A S7

Ongoing

Copa Latinoamericana 4
Jiahua Invitational
BSL 20 Team Wars
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 3
BSL 21 Qualifiers
ASL Season 20: Qualifier #2
HCC Europe
IEM Cologne 2025
FISSURE Playground #1
BLAST.tv Austin Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 7
IEM Dallas 2025

Upcoming

ASL Season 20
CSLPRO Chat StarLAN 3
BSL Season 21
RSL Revival: Season 2
Maestros of the Game
SEL Season 2 Championship
WardiTV Summer 2025
uThermal 2v2 Main Event
Thunderpick World Champ.
MESA Nomadic Masters Fall
CAC 2025
Roobet Cup 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025
BLAST Open Fall Qual
Esports World Cup 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall 2025
BLAST Bounty Fall Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.