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On February 04 2014 06:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
The change to how Zac's blobs bounce was a a huge nerf. That plus reducing damage on his E and taking away tenacity on his ult was just downright stupid given champs like Olaf, Mundo and to a lesser extent Singed are in the game.
Riot basically threw 3 or 4 different patches at 3 or 4 different parts of Zac's kits (E, R, passive, etc.) without waiting to see how implementing a single set of the nerfs would have affected him. Talk about kneejerk nerfs.
EDIT: I loved Zac and I am so mad that I only got to play a few weeks on flubber before they killed him.
Also, anyone feel that Yasuo is just a much superior version of Aatrox?
cant even say that cause they dont do the same thing or play anything similar imo
You guys talking about fiddles could literally juust play karthus and be just as useful, he has fiddles ult for a basic spell for gods sake
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On February 04 2014 07:05 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 07:01 cLutZ wrote:On February 04 2014 06:52 ticklishmusic wrote:
And now he's broken in the sense that you can't actually play him. His passive is basically useless and he can't farm and can't get tanky. He is broken in the sense that he is a very difficult champion to balance properly. So I shed no tears for ZAC lovers, who should have expected this from the start. Its not like they released an OP Jarvan or Ahri, ZAC's kit is always going to be really hard to get the numbers right on. I disagree. He was pretty balanced at the end of S3. He is just bad now because mana junglers are better. The jungle changes didn't even impact too much... itemization changes to jungle did.
When was ZAC jungle the only problem? Do you OGN?
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On February 04 2014 07:07 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On February 04 2014 06:41 ticklishmusic wrote:
The change to how Zac's blobs bounce was a a huge nerf. That plus reducing damage on his E and taking away tenacity on his ult was just downright stupid given champs like Olaf, Mundo and to a lesser extent Singed are in the game.
Riot basically threw 3 or 4 different patches at 3 or 4 different parts of Zac's kits (E, R, passive, etc.) without waiting to see how implementing a single set of the nerfs would have affected him. Talk about kneejerk nerfs.
EDIT: I loved Zac and I am so mad that I only got to play a few weeks on flubber before they killed him.
Also, anyone feel that Yasuo is just a much superior version of Aatrox? cant even say that cause they dont do the same thing or play anything similar imo You guys talking about fiddles could literally juust play karthus and be just as useful, he has fiddles ult for a basic spell for gods sake
That goes on my list of stupid comparisons, even ignoring the flash component (which is huge), Crowstorm has triple the base damage and double the ratio of Defile. Also champions have 4 skills...
"Karthus is just like Fiddlesticks except with no fear, no silence, no blink and no sustain."
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I should just stop playing Olaf top, I feel compelled to try stuff because he's so weaaaak now without building offense, but he just melts (even having 200 armour (including Tabi and FH) against BT+Shiv Sivir she only needed like 5-6 autos to put me half HP) if you don't rush at least 2 defensive items first.
So I just try to make flanks and fights happen because I'm useless outside of these, and then I end up throwing. ;_;
I feel like I deal negative damage to bruisers compared to others (like Shyvana, Renekton, etc. even built full tank) and it's hard as hell to stick to squishies to be able to keep hitting them. The SV nerf is brutal for his CDR too, and I'm never ever gonna try FH first again because the lack of HP makes it unusable post s3 health/resistances balancing.
But I love him so much! Why can't I make him work top~
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On February 04 2014 07:25 Alaric wrote:
I should just stop playing Olaf top, I feel compelled to try stuff because he's so weaaaak now without building offense, but he just melts (even having 200 armour (including Tabi and FH) against BT+Shiv Sivir she only needed like 5-6 autos to put me half HP) if you don't rush at least 2 defensive items first.
So I just try to make flanks and fights happen because I'm useless outside of these, and then I end up throwing. ;_;
I feel like I deal negative damage to bruisers compared to others (like Shyvana, Renekton, etc. even built full tank) and it's hard as hell to stick to squishies to be able to keep hitting them. The SV nerf is brutal for his CDR too, and I'm never ever gonna try FH first again because the lack of HP makes it unusable post s3 health/resistances balancing.
But I love him so much! Why can't I make him work top~
It could be you're popping your ult way too early, making it so you take more damage than you should be (remember, it removes his passive armor/mr gain from his ulti).
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Na, the anecdote with Sivir was her hitting me while I was cleaning the wave hitting our tower. 
Holy cow that Soraka in our last game... their Lucian ended up 3rd in damage taken overall, and he only died 7 times (something like 5-6th most death in the game). Soraka heals too strong.
The server has to have troubles, though. Had a lag spike in the last fight of my previous game, and champ select has crapped me twice already, "freezing" (as in I see the countdowns and everything, but the picks, chat, etc. aren't updated) until the next pick phase is over.
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On February 04 2014 07:30 Alaric wrote:Na, the anecdote with Sivir was her hitting me while I was cleaning the wave hitting our tower. Holy cow that Soraka in our last game... their Lucian ended up 3rd in damage taken overall, and he only died 7 times (something like 5-6th most death in the game). Soraka heals too strong.
Probably inflated by stupid trading in lane and sustained back.Kinda like top lane can be really high damage even if they don't do that much simply because of afk trading but immortal.
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Anyone else having weird League problems right now? Like not being able to load the home screen?
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EUW says unavailable atm.
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On February 04 2014 07:34 Alaric wrote:
EUW says unavailable atm.
Just write thereisnourflevel as usual and it fixes.Dunno if everything works though.Just finished game had no problems.
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Ireland23340 Posts
On February 04 2014 07:25 Alaric wrote:
I should just stop playing Olaf top, I feel compelled to try stuff because he's so weaaaak now without building offense, but he just melts (even having 200 armour (including Tabi and FH) against BT+Shiv Sivir she only needed like 5-6 autos to put me half HP) if you don't rush at least 2 defensive items first.
So I just try to make flanks and fights happen because I'm useless outside of these, and then I end up throwing. ;_;
I feel like I deal negative damage to bruisers compared to others (like Shyvana, Renekton, etc. even built full tank) and it's hard as hell to stick to squishies to be able to keep hitting them. The SV nerf is brutal for his CDR too, and I'm never ever gonna try FH first again because the lack of HP makes it unusable post s3 health/resistances balancing.
But I love him so much! Why can't I make him work top~
You know what you should do right.
PLAY GAREN
also FH is a pretty terrible idea you want a lot of hp on olaf
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BUT THE CDR
It's so hard to itemise that unless you're a jungler now... Glacial Shroud items are laughable, SV's been nerfed, Locket's utility makes it niche at best, and you wouldn't go lucidity boots or AP on a bruiser. There's brutaliser but not everyone uses it.
If I want armour I should just build thornmail since it's more armour for 1k less and as it turns out its passive > the time bought by FH's aura + the CDR in terms of ability to kill an auto-attack reliant champion.
I fat-fingered so many Es on a minion instead of Lee last game, at least with Garen I couldn't missclick Q! Wait...
FH really needs so love. Well, resistances in general.
Prob going to ditch sunfire on Olaf (but then clearing takes much more mana) and start belt/cloth to see if I build warden's+warmogs or straight randuin's, then Cowl and either finish SV or build BotRK. He needs a damage item, but he also needs defenses, especially HP, urgh. x_x
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Ireland23340 Posts
fuck max cdr just get hp some armour and ghostblade
alternatively trinity
and get spirit of the ancient golem which is cdr and hp and tenacity allowing you to go cdr boots if you're jungle
sunfire is great in top lane
frozen heart is a bad idea unless you have special resist scaling with cdr (udyr ww) and high mana costs (Amumu ww)
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So if the enemy has amumu and warwick or amumu and warwick you should buy frozen heart on olaf.
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Ireland23340 Posts
put the joint down and read my post again
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Ninja edits all over the place.
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Is CDR even that important on Olaf? His E gets reduced per attack, and the reduction on axe pick up for Q is really good as is.
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On February 04 2014 08:16 wei2coolman wrote:
Is CDR even that important on Olaf? His E gets reduced per attack, and the reduction on axe pick up for Q is really good as is.
It's because the cooldown gets reduced per hit that makes CDR so good. Same reason why CDR is so good on ryze and skarner.
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Ireland23340 Posts
that some mighty theorycrafting for a melee who won't be able to auto that much
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Frozen heart pretty ridic on olaf imo
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