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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On February 04 2014 05:32 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: As I've said before, Nightblue is just shitty XJ9. He taxes more indiscriminately (read: stupidly) than XJ9, isn't efficient, and doesn't carry nearly as hard ;; #freexj9 Did XJ9 quit the game? Dont see him stream anymore....maybe he commited suicide ( not joking) | ||
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Shiznick
United States2200 Posts
On February 04 2014 08:25 Yezzus wrote: Did XJ9 quit the game? Dont see him stream anymore....maybe he commited suicide ( not joking) he got banned. big boy banned, not the small kind of ban. | ||
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aurawashere
Canada454 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 04 2014 08:21 Slayer91 wrote: that some mighty theorycrafting for a melee who won't be able to auto that much I wouldn't really know to much in regards to itemization for Olaf, but it seems how his E works is that it makes his extended trades in 1v1's pretty deadly. Also Frozen Heart blows so much donkey nuts; wish Riot fixed the item. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I tend to like FH because resistances work well with his lifesteal and passive, but since resistances got fucked in terms of cost-effectiveness (and a bit the penetration changes) and you can't just afk farm anymore... Hm... maybe Sunfire into another belt to say fuck to burst, build BotRK or Ghostblade, then finish warmogs? I feel naked compared to champions like Jax who build triforce, since you only get 395 MS with boots 2 and no mobility spells. | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
On February 04 2014 08:28 Shiznick wrote: he got banned. big boy banned, not the small kind of ban. Why exactly? I remember watchching him sometimes towards the end.....he wasnt really bm or anything | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
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Sponkz
Denmark4564 Posts
On February 04 2014 08:33 Yezzus wrote: Why exactly? I remember watchching him sometimes towards the end.....he wasnt really bm or anything You clearly didn't see that 7 hour footage on youtube. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On February 04 2014 07:13 cLutZ wrote: When was ZAC jungle the only problem? Do you OGN? Top lane ZAC was played because he could 1v2 and was particularly resilient to 3v1 tower dives. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 04 2014 08:31 Alaric wrote: Unless you build offensive items, your damage at level 9+ is going to come from reckless swing for a good portion, and CDR amplifies that. Having something like 10-15% also lets you put undertow off cooldown as soon as you pick it up (something like 2s cd without CDR). I tend to like FH because resistances work well with his lifesteal and passive, but since resistances got fucked in terms of cost-effectiveness (and a bit the penetration changes) and you can't just afk farm anymore... Hm... maybe Sunfire into another belt to say fuck to burst, build BotRK or Ghostblade, then finish warmogs? I feel naked compared to champions like Jax who build triforce, since you only get 395 MS with boots 2 and no mobility spells. You're thinking way too therycrafty I think. You damage is most likely enough to wreck any squishy champ if you time your ghost ult right, and your true damage and slows are good vs bruisers. Lifesteal is pretty much irrelevant in a teamfight, unless you're an ADC who deals tons of damage and even then its mostly used for sustain in poke wars and lane. You shouldnt rely on healing at all and just go pure hp for maximum EHP (theres a huge cutoffpoint for when its not worth getting hp because of his R passive and your true-self damage inflicted especailly if you're going to get ignited at some point, you want like 3.5k hp~ before its better to start getting any resists probably, and you'll get resists anyway if you get randuins and sunfire and hexdrinker or banshees) Looking at his stats again I doubt you need any damage items really. Olafs W should be seen purely as a laning tool and jungle sustain. Even nasus who does like 1k damage with his Q cant rely on his lifesteal too much. | ||
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Sajaki
Canada1135 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
With a high level W and a low health Olaf and BotRK, you're looking at something like ~30% lifesteal x1.2, 36% lifesteal isn't that bad when you attack almost twice per second when you stick to people. I mean, obvously it won't turn you into Mundo, but you can easily buy 2-3 more seconds (which is an E for sure if you have CDR, and half its cd otherwise) of diverting attention. Def. not worth valuing resistances over HP though, sadly. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On February 04 2014 08:21 Slayer91 wrote: that some mighty theorycrafting for a melee who won't be able to auto that much Indeed, IDK why Riot made him so AA-Reliant in the rework. It just doesn't work in LOL right now. I think its a shame, because I like the sustained-damage model of autoattacks when compared to something like Renekton or Zed but it just isn't that feasible to hit a lot of autos unless you are splitpushing. Irelia really suffers from this, but even Jax isn't really that great of a teamfighter right now. He is just a sick splitpusher once he gets his items rolling, but really needs a different build order, and more items to teamfight. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
On February 04 2014 08:51 Alaric wrote: Ya that's what I mentioned, unless you come from the jungle (where items like spirits and locket are more easily seen) bruisers have trouble itemising CDR since the SV nerf. Randuin's doesn't give that 5%, you only get 5% if you invest in offense over getting 8% in defense in s2, the fusioned Locket is uninteresting (pre-fusion was actually pretty neat on several off laners if you would buy it early enough), FH has been brutally shafted, noone would buy Zeke's because its slot-effectiveness is really bad when it comes to AD, and brutaliser and its upgrades aren't for everyone. With a high level W and a low health Olaf and BotRK, you're looking at something like ~30% lifesteal x1.2, 36% lifesteal isn't that bad when you attack almost twice per second when you stick to people. I mean, obvously it won't turn you into Mundo, but you can easily buy 2-3 more seconds (which is an E for sure if you have CDR, and half its cd otherwise) of diverting attention. Def. not worth valuing resistances over HP though, sadly. just forget about lifesteal. If you're at low hp you're likely to get ignited and CC'd and insta killed. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On February 04 2014 08:53 cLutZ wrote: Indeed, IDK why Riot made him so AA-Reliant in the rework. It just doesn't work in LOL right now. I think its a shame, because I like the sustained-damage model of autoattacks when compared to something like Renekton or Zed but it just isn't that feasible to hit a lot of autos unless you are splitpushing. Irelia really suffers from this, but even Jax isn't really that great of a teamfighter right now. He is just a sick splitpusher once he gets his items rolling, but really needs a different build order, and more items to teamfight. I feel like Jax is dependent on getting Bork/Triforce ASAP, then you can pretty much solo anyone in the game without very much effort. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 04 2014 08:55 Slayer91 wrote: just forget about lifesteal. If you're at low hp you're likely to get ignited and CC'd and insta killed. or Jinx ulti'd, or Riven Ulti'd, or Lee Sin Q'd, or all the fucking executes Riot thought it would cool to put in the game. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
also you're going to be maxing W last | ||
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On February 04 2014 09:01 Slayer91 wrote: dont forget garen ult also you're going to be maxing W last Are there people who play garen other than you? | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23335 Posts
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