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mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
February 03 2014 14:35 GMT
#3341
On February 03 2014 23:34 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 23:28 mr_tolkien wrote:
On February 03 2014 23:21 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On February 03 2014 23:15 MattBarry wrote:
Fiddle's fear is so underwhelming now. Lulu's polymorph is even longer than it, why even pick fiddle when lulu is there


Lulu can't CAWCAWCAWCAWCAW

But she can say "fuck you" to divers.

Yes but CROWS.
In seriousness, there are things that Fiddle brings to the table that Lulu doesn't. Comparing them based on their biggest CCs seems silly. But I'll give you that I think Fiddle is probably better in the jungle atm with Spectral and all that.

Inb4 Lulu jungle op.
The legend of Darien lives on
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
February 03 2014 14:36 GMT
#3342
The plays you can make as lulu are so satisfying. Or would be if I didn't suck out loud.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
February 03 2014 14:41 GMT
#3343
I watched 42 minutes of loco vlog, can I get a teamliquid hoodie for it? Or do I have to make a ten hour youtube version of it and watch that?

Nice vlog Loco, though I think the only thing an editor can really do to 42 minutes of info-dump is break it up into smaller pieces.
"BE A MANGO TO SLEEP LIKE A SNORING TIGER" - Monte
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
February 03 2014 14:41 GMT
#3344
On February 03 2014 23:35 mr_tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 23:34 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On February 03 2014 23:28 mr_tolkien wrote:
On February 03 2014 23:21 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On February 03 2014 23:15 MattBarry wrote:
Fiddle's fear is so underwhelming now. Lulu's polymorph is even longer than it, why even pick fiddle when lulu is there


Lulu can't CAWCAWCAWCAWCAW

But she can say "fuck you" to divers.

Yes but CROWS.
In seriousness, there are things that Fiddle brings to the table that Lulu doesn't. Comparing them based on their biggest CCs seems silly. But I'll give you that I think Fiddle is probably better in the jungle atm with Spectral and all that.

Inb4 Lulu jungle op.


inb4 MoonBear swoops in and tells me exactly how he carries with jangle Lulu
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 03 2014 14:42 GMT
#3345
Nothing says "fuck you" like a Spear Shot or a Cleaver to the face tho.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 03 2014 14:46 GMT
#3346
On February 03 2014 23:24 oneofthem wrote:
anyone speak korean wanna check this post out and roughly give an idea of the vibe? roster changes

http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2971&l=13044


Capt Jack!
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-03 14:49:40
February 03 2014 14:48 GMT
#3347
On February 03 2014 23:15 MattBarry wrote:
Fiddle's fear is so underwhelming now. Lulu's polymorph is even longer than it, why even pick fiddle when lulu is there



Yes let's compare hard CC, that you max first, with an ability you don't max first or second. Splendid.

Why play Kha'zix when you can play Jarvan? Why play anything, when you can play something else?
hi
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
February 03 2014 15:02 GMT
#3348
On February 03 2014 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 23:15 MattBarry wrote:
Fiddle's fear is so underwhelming now. Lulu's polymorph is even longer than it, why even pick fiddle when lulu is there



Yes let's compare hard CC, that you max first, with an ability you don't max first or second. Splendid.

Why play Kha'zix when you can play Jarvan? Why play anything, when you can play something else?

Well Jarvan is a tanky initiator while Kha'Zix is an assassin. Lulu is an anti-assassin support and so is Fiddle except she's just better in every way
Platinum Support GOD
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
February 03 2014 15:05 GMT
#3349
Fiddle is not just an outclassed anti-assassin support.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23444 Posts
February 03 2014 15:24 GMT
#3350
fiddle is one if not the best engaging supports in the game, lulu is mostly defensive
Fildun
Profile Joined December 2012
Netherlands4124 Posts
February 03 2014 15:26 GMT
#3351
Apparently when I get good KDA I lose horribly and when I feed I win. Am I the next Darien? Only time will tell.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
February 03 2014 15:41 GMT
#3352
On February 04 2014 00:24 Slayer91 wrote:
fiddle is one if not the best engaging supports in the game, lulu is mostly defensive

Annie? Leona? Nami?

Fiddle's engage is pretty bad imo. A short gapcloser that requires channeling, a single target CC, and some AOE damage. He feels pretty niched but his W can be hard to deal with.
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Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23444 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-03 15:48:57
February 03 2014 15:47 GMT
#3353
namis engage is weak, Leona is based mostly on single target, annies is also good single target.

fiddles engage is potentially the strongest but also the hardest the pull off. If it was easy to engage on fiddle he'd be too strong though. The upside is that even if you cant't engage you at least have ridiculous cc.

"some" aoe damage happens to be the best AoE skill in the game combined with the best single target CC and the best single.
not exactly too shabby if you ask me

the thing is with fiddle is that you can engage your AoE on a few targets and then flash in and fear another. Everyone else has to pick who they engage on, fiddle can gauge reactions first.

I've never seen annies/namis/leonas carry games like fiddle can, but obviously fiddles can be useless just as easily.
IMoperator
Profile Joined October 2011
4476 Posts
February 03 2014 16:12 GMT
#3354
On February 04 2014 00:02 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
On February 03 2014 23:15 MattBarry wrote:
Fiddle's fear is so underwhelming now. Lulu's polymorph is even longer than it, why even pick fiddle when lulu is there



Yes let's compare hard CC, that you max first, with an ability you don't max first or second. Splendid.

Why play Kha'zix when you can play Jarvan? Why play anything, when you can play something else?

Well Jarvan is a tanky initiator while Kha'Zix is an assassin. Lulu is an anti-assassin support and so is Fiddle except she's just better in every way


you obviously havent seen full ad j4. E-Q ult is enough to literally 1 shot most squishies in the game once you get hydra.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
February 03 2014 16:12 GMT
#3355
Eh, Tibbers' AoE is good enough to pull off 2+-man stuns, same with Solar Flare. Leona's damage is def mostly single target tough, sure her passive brings more AoE than Blitz, Alistar, Nami, and potentially Thresh (depends who eats her ult and W and if someone eats multiple Box walls since past the first for the same person the damage is halved) but not enough for a bursty all-in support.

Fiddle's better at bush control though since he's not reliant on Flash to initiate if you don't have vision of him, and that's what gives him so much pressure. Otherwise he still doesn't burst as hard as Leona or Annie, but if your target is cc'd for 4+ seconds (3s Fear + 1.2+s Silence) that should be enough to kill them before they flash out or to let your allies chain their own cc.
Obv. with a fear losing 25% of its duration it's another thing...

Difference is also that his level 1 is way stronger than Leona's or Annie's because bouncing crows stronk.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
MattBarry
Profile Joined March 2011
United States4006 Posts
February 03 2014 16:20 GMT
#3356
On February 04 2014 00:47 Slayer91 wrote:
namis engage is weak, Leona is based mostly on single target, annies is also good single target.

fiddles engage is potentially the strongest but also the hardest the pull off. If it was easy to engage on fiddle he'd be too strong though. The upside is that even if you cant't engage you at least have ridiculous cc.

"some" aoe damage happens to be the best AoE skill in the game combined with the best single target CC and the best single.
not exactly too shabby if you ask me

the thing is with fiddle is that you can engage your AoE on a few targets and then flash in and fear another. Everyone else has to pick who they engage on, fiddle can gauge reactions first.

I've never seen annies/namis/leonas carry games like fiddle can, but obviously fiddles can be useless just as easily.

But it's not the best single target cc. It got nerfed to be mediocre.
Platinum Support GOD
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-03 16:26:01
February 03 2014 16:25 GMT
#3357
is EUW down ? can't connect to client
WriterSalty oldboy that loves memes | One and only back-to-back Liquibet Winner
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22662 Posts
February 03 2014 16:36 GMT
#3358
On February 04 2014 01:25 739 wrote:
is EUW down ? can't connect to client

Fine for me
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Vanka
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
China1336 Posts
February 03 2014 16:48 GMT
#3359
I had a game against an enemy team that was almost unloseable, but 4 of their team hit their zhonya timing, and with vlad, fizz, kayle, fiddle and lucian on their team it was getting kind of silly.

We kept throwing until we started to win again when we responded with 5 GAs. At then end there were zhonya/ga combos and ga/banshee combos and it all was very silly.
Sponkz
Profile Joined May 2011
Denmark4564 Posts
February 03 2014 16:54 GMT
#3360
On February 04 2014 00:02 MattBarry wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 03 2014 23:48 Sponkz wrote:
On February 03 2014 23:15 MattBarry wrote:
Fiddle's fear is so underwhelming now. Lulu's polymorph is even longer than it, why even pick fiddle when lulu is there



Yes let's compare hard CC, that you max first, with an ability you don't max first or second. Splendid.

Why play Kha'zix when you can play Jarvan? Why play anything, when you can play something else?

Well Jarvan is a tanky initiator while Kha'Zix is an assassin. Lulu is an anti-assassin support and so is Fiddle except she's just better in every way



Holy fuck, you didn't get it. You're comparing an initiating support with a defensive peeling support. It's like comparing apples and oranges, claiming it's the same.
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