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On February 03 2014 23:34 AsmodeusXI wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 23:28 mr_tolkien wrote:On February 03 2014 23:21 AsmodeusXI wrote:On February 03 2014 23:15 MattBarry wrote:
Fiddle's fear is so underwhelming now. Lulu's polymorph is even longer than it, why even pick fiddle when lulu is there Lulu can't CAWCAWCAWCAWCAW But she can say "fuck you" to divers. Yes but CROWS. In seriousness, there are things that Fiddle brings to the table that Lulu doesn't. Comparing them based on their biggest CCs seems silly. But I'll give you that I think Fiddle is probably better in the jungle atm with Spectral and all that.
Inb4 Lulu jungle op.
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The plays you can make as lulu are so satisfying. Or would be if I didn't suck out loud.
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I watched 42 minutes of loco vlog, can I get a teamliquid hoodie for it? Or do I have to make a ten hour youtube version of it and watch that?
Nice vlog Loco, though I think the only thing an editor can really do to 42 minutes of info-dump is break it up into smaller pieces.
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On February 03 2014 23:35 mr_tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 23:34 AsmodeusXI wrote:On February 03 2014 23:28 mr_tolkien wrote:On February 03 2014 23:21 AsmodeusXI wrote:On February 03 2014 23:15 MattBarry wrote:
Fiddle's fear is so underwhelming now. Lulu's polymorph is even longer than it, why even pick fiddle when lulu is there Lulu can't CAWCAWCAWCAWCAW But she can say "fuck you" to divers. Yes but CROWS. In seriousness, there are things that Fiddle brings to the table that Lulu doesn't. Comparing them based on their biggest CCs seems silly. But I'll give you that I think Fiddle is probably better in the jungle atm with Spectral and all that. Inb4 Lulu jungle op.
inb4 MoonBear swoops in and tells me exactly how he carries with jangle Lulu
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Nothing says "fuck you" like a Spear Shot or a Cleaver to the face tho.
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On February 03 2014 23:15 MattBarry wrote:
Fiddle's fear is so underwhelming now. Lulu's polymorph is even longer than it, why even pick fiddle when lulu is there
Yes let's compare hard CC, that you max first, with an ability you don't max first or second. Splendid.
Why play Kha'zix when you can play Jarvan? Why play anything, when you can play something else?
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On February 03 2014 23:48 Sponkz wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 23:15 MattBarry wrote:
Fiddle's fear is so underwhelming now. Lulu's polymorph is even longer than it, why even pick fiddle when lulu is there Yes let's compare hard CC, that you max first, with an ability you don't max first or second. Splendid. Why play Kha'zix when you can play Jarvan? Why play anything, when you can play something else?
Well Jarvan is a tanky initiator while Kha'Zix is an assassin. Lulu is an anti-assassin support and so is Fiddle except she's just better in every way
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Fiddle is not just an outclassed anti-assassin support.
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fiddle is one if not the best engaging supports in the game, lulu is mostly defensive
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Apparently when I get good KDA I lose horribly and when I feed I win. Am I the next Darien? Only time will tell.
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On February 04 2014 00:24 Slayer91 wrote:
fiddle is one if not the best engaging supports in the game, lulu is mostly defensive
Annie? Leona? Nami?
Fiddle's engage is pretty bad imo. A short gapcloser that requires channeling, a single target CC, and some AOE damage. He feels pretty niched but his W can be hard to deal with.
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namis engage is weak, Leona is based mostly on single target, annies is also good single target.
fiddles engage is potentially the strongest but also the hardest the pull off. If it was easy to engage on fiddle he'd be too strong though. The upside is that even if you cant't engage you at least have ridiculous cc.
"some" aoe damage happens to be the best AoE skill in the game combined with the best single target CC and the best single.
not exactly too shabby if you ask me
the thing is with fiddle is that you can engage your AoE on a few targets and then flash in and fear another. Everyone else has to pick who they engage on, fiddle can gauge reactions first.
I've never seen annies/namis/leonas carry games like fiddle can, but obviously fiddles can be useless just as easily.
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On February 04 2014 00:02 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 23:48 Sponkz wrote:On February 03 2014 23:15 MattBarry wrote:
Fiddle's fear is so underwhelming now. Lulu's polymorph is even longer than it, why even pick fiddle when lulu is there Yes let's compare hard CC, that you max first, with an ability you don't max first or second. Splendid. Why play Kha'zix when you can play Jarvan? Why play anything, when you can play something else? Well Jarvan is a tanky initiator while Kha'Zix is an assassin. Lulu is an anti-assassin support and so is Fiddle except she's just better in every way
you obviously havent seen full ad j4. E-Q ult is enough to literally 1 shot most squishies in the game once you get hydra.
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Eh, Tibbers' AoE is good enough to pull off 2+-man stuns, same with Solar Flare. Leona's damage is def mostly single target tough, sure her passive brings more AoE than Blitz, Alistar, Nami, and potentially Thresh (depends who eats her ult and W and if someone eats multiple Box walls since past the first for the same person the damage is halved) but not enough for a bursty all-in support.
Fiddle's better at bush control though since he's not reliant on Flash to initiate if you don't have vision of him, and that's what gives him so much pressure. Otherwise he still doesn't burst as hard as Leona or Annie, but if your target is cc'd for 4+ seconds (3s Fear + 1.2+s Silence) that should be enough to kill them before they flash out or to let your allies chain their own cc.
Obv. with a fear losing 25% of its duration it's another thing...
Difference is also that his level 1 is way stronger than Leona's or Annie's because bouncing crows stronk.
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On February 04 2014 00:47 Slayer91 wrote:
namis engage is weak, Leona is based mostly on single target, annies is also good single target.
fiddles engage is potentially the strongest but also the hardest the pull off. If it was easy to engage on fiddle he'd be too strong though. The upside is that even if you cant't engage you at least have ridiculous cc.
"some" aoe damage happens to be the best AoE skill in the game combined with the best single target CC and the best single.
not exactly too shabby if you ask me
the thing is with fiddle is that you can engage your AoE on a few targets and then flash in and fear another. Everyone else has to pick who they engage on, fiddle can gauge reactions first.
I've never seen annies/namis/leonas carry games like fiddle can, but obviously fiddles can be useless just as easily.
But it's not the best single target cc. It got nerfed to be mediocre.
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is EUW down ? can't connect to client
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On February 04 2014 01:25 739 wrote:
is EUW down ? can't connect to client
Fine for me
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I had a game against an enemy team that was almost unloseable, but 4 of their team hit their zhonya timing, and with vlad, fizz, kayle, fiddle and lucian on their team it was getting kind of silly.
We kept throwing until we started to win again when we responded with 5 GAs. At then end there were zhonya/ga combos and ga/banshee combos and it all was very silly.
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On February 04 2014 00:02 MattBarry wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 23:48 Sponkz wrote:On February 03 2014 23:15 MattBarry wrote:
Fiddle's fear is so underwhelming now. Lulu's polymorph is even longer than it, why even pick fiddle when lulu is there Yes let's compare hard CC, that you max first, with an ability you don't max first or second. Splendid. Why play Kha'zix when you can play Jarvan? Why play anything, when you can play something else? Well Jarvan is a tanky initiator while Kha'Zix is an assassin. Lulu is an anti-assassin support and so is Fiddle except she's just better in every way
Holy fuck, you didn't get it. You're comparing an initiating support with a defensive peeling support. It's like comparing apples and oranges, claiming it's the same.
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