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On February 02 2014 05:13 Dusty wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2014 04:17 wei2coolman wrote:
Just saw some pretty smooth Ziggs trick. tossing satchel charge, and flashing to the correct spot on the satchel charge, and activating it, got him to fly over wall. I guess it's smoother than tossing and activating charge, and flashing over wall.
Also, sweet Vayne trick if people didn't know, was to side tumble into walls when you're attacking, to minimize the overall tumble animation, so you have highest amount of dps possible. It's somewhat riskier because on some walls it's hard to jump over with Satchel and you look like an idiot by flying into a wall. (you're talking about the Ziggs on qtpies stream right? when I saw him do that I was thinking 'oh god don't fuck that up')
It looked so fucking smooth, and yeah, that ziggs in qtpie's stream.
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On February 02 2014 03:26 Yezzus wrote:
I dont see many people use Ar Pen runes much anymore.......flat AD does so much damage earlier on which is more important to help snowball etc for a lead
Incorrect. ArPen does more damage to champions. AD marks are taken for ease in csing early.
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incoming inelegant change that makes dorans shield have better or worse stats dependin which lane you go to
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On February 02 2014 06:09 FinestHour wrote:
incoming inelegant change that makes dorans shield have better or worse stats dependin which lane you go to
Item is pretty strong for every lane dont see why it matters.You get it pretty much on every melee or support in lane.Very few exceptions.
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Riot seems pretty salty that no one is starting Coin/Relic/Irrelevant anymore. I guess they didn't learn from the first round of jungler items.
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On February 02 2014 06:25 cLutZ wrote:
Riot seems pretty salty that no one is starting Coin/Relic/Irrelevant anymore. I guess they didn't learn from the first round of jungler items.
Doesn't help when, unless you're a melee support, Shield outclasses Relic pretty hard. From there the buildup sucks, so why bother taking the early deficit?
I know they're intending to do a balance sweep on the gold items, but they sure are dragging their feet on it.
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On February 02 2014 06:25 cLutZ wrote:
Riot seems pretty salty that no one is starting Coin/Relic/Irrelevant anymore. I guess they didn't learn from the first round of jungler items.
This is definitely not the reason.
Doran Shield has been dominating bottom lanes. The whole Thresh Leona business is caused by the Doran Shield having too much sustain.
Currently as Leona with Doran Shield you don't even need to actually commit after E. You just need to E Q W, weave in autos, then walk out... that's a trade for Leona which she will always win.
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On February 02 2014 02:55 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2014 02:51 wei2coolman wrote:Are they going to lower the cost of dshield with this change? On February 02 2014 02:29 Fusilero wrote:On February 02 2014 02:28 MattBarry wrote:
I know Arpen vs AD is a banned discussion but my question is way more specific than that for Zed. I don't know the math of ArPen vs AD but we'll assume that last hitting is piss easy on Zed, is ArPen significantly better for dueling? Zed gets lots of free AD from his W and his passive means that last hitting under the turret is easy without flat AD so he gets much more throughout the game from armour pen. Isn't that more reason to run flat AD though? Cuz you get more value from it due to damage amplification on his W. Idk it's what I hear for the reasoning behind ArPen over AD maybe someone a bit more technical could lay it out
The AD multiplication should decelerate the point at which you want armor pen. Even though for the most part you can expect that ArPen runes will do more damage to champions at all points in the game unless the enemy has an absurd amount of armor and this generally applies to all champions who have primarily physical damage abilities, not just Zed. If you just have auto attacks and low base damage abilities (say, Ashe, Tristana, Vayne) then AD will have a slight edge in the early game
This is because AD runes only have an effect on the scaling portion of your damage while ArPen runes have an effect on the base and scaling portion of your damage.
With regards to Zed's AD multiplication we might do a more serious analysis and look at the marginal value of each attribute. Because Zeds AD multiplication only effects bonus AD it slightly increases the marginal value of bonus AD. That is. If he didn't have that ability adding 1 AD might move him from 100 to 101, an increase in scaling damage by 1%. With the ability he might go from 110 to 111.2, or about 1.09% increase in scaling damage.
But the value of ArPen is not effected by your total scaling damage (on a % base scale) but on your enemies armor only. If you had 10 armor pen and your enemy has 30 armor you will increase your damage by 8.3%(compared to 0 armor pen) regardless of whether or not your base damage was high or low or whatever. Going from 50 AD to 62 AD would be an increase in scaling damage of 24% (20% without the bonus). So the question is whether or not your total scaling damage is worth >40% of your total damage.
With Zed in the early game it definitely is. His Q and E, if we reword them as "total AD" instead of "bonus AD", lose a lot of what looks like very respectable base damages.
On February 02 2014 06:25 cLutZ wrote:
Riot seems pretty salty that no one is starting Coin/Relic/Irrelevant anymore. I guess they didn't learn from the first round of jungler items.
For real. They're going to have to turn all of the gold items into the coins gold generation
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o i see they took off ad vs armor pen from the list of blacklisted topics for this one
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CLG are capitalizing on their old secret.
They are strongest when using subs.
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Playing Noc on my pre-30 smurf right now... so fun, so strong.
Hit me up if you want to have some fun playing pre-30 blind pick chaos.
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Ogod this EG looks terrible this season
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Any of today's LCS games worth watching?
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On February 02 2014 10:35 Kinie wrote:
Any of today's LCS games worth watching?
CLG game.....or the play on the last 10 seconds lol
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On February 02 2014 07:38 Goumindong wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2014 02:55 Fusilero wrote:On February 02 2014 02:51 wei2coolman wrote:Are they going to lower the cost of dshield with this change? On February 02 2014 02:29 Fusilero wrote:On February 02 2014 02:28 MattBarry wrote:
I know Arpen vs AD is a banned discussion but my question is way more specific than that for Zed. I don't know the math of ArPen vs AD but we'll assume that last hitting is piss easy on Zed, is ArPen significantly better for dueling? Zed gets lots of free AD from his W and his passive means that last hitting under the turret is easy without flat AD so he gets much more throughout the game from armour pen. Isn't that more reason to run flat AD though? Cuz you get more value from it due to damage amplification on his W. Idk it's what I hear for the reasoning behind ArPen over AD maybe someone a bit more technical could lay it out The AD multiplication should decelerate the point at which you want armor pen. Even though for the most part you can expect that ArPen runes will do more damage to champions at all points in the game unless the enemy has an absurd amount of armor and this generally applies to all champions who have primarily physical damage abilities, not just Zed. If you just have auto attacks and low base damage abilities (say, Ashe, Tristana, Vayne) then AD will have a slight edge in the early game This is because AD runes only have an effect on the scaling portion of your damage while ArPen runes have an effect on the base and scaling portion of your damage. With regards to Zed's AD multiplication we might do a more serious analysis and look at the marginal value of each attribute. Because Zeds AD multiplication only effects bonus AD it slightly increases the marginal value of bonus AD. That is. If he didn't have that ability adding 1 AD might move him from 100 to 101, an increase in scaling damage by 1%. With the ability he might go from 110 to 111.2, or about 1.09% increase in scaling damage. But the value of ArPen is not effected by your total scaling damage (on a % base scale) but on your enemies armor only. If you had 10 armor pen and your enemy has 30 armor you will increase your damage by 8.3%(compared to 0 armor pen) regardless of whether or not your base damage was high or low or whatever. Going from 50 AD to 62 AD would be an increase in scaling damage of 24% (20% without the bonus). So the question is whether or not your total scaling damage is worth >40% of your total damage. With Zed in the early game it definitely is. His Q and E, if we reword them as "total AD" instead of "bonus AD", lose a lot of what looks like very respectable base damages. Show nested quote +On February 02 2014 06:25 cLutZ wrote:
Riot seems pretty salty that no one is starting Coin/Relic/Irrelevant anymore. I guess they didn't learn from the first round of jungler items. For real. They're going to have to turn all of the gold items into the coins gold generation
The active of Talisman seems like the best too. Frost Queen's Claim needs massive help though. It seems logical to get it on someone like Zyra, who likes a bit of AP and harasses a lot, but the active is terrible and the gold generation sucks too.
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On February 02 2014 10:35 Kinie wrote:
Any of today's LCS games worth watching?
Def watch:
Crs vs CLG,
Maybe watch:
Coast vs C9
Only good for zoonie hilarity:
TSM vs XDG
lolno:
EG vs C9
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On February 02 2014 10:45 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2014 10:35 Kinie wrote:
Any of today's LCS games worth watching? Def watch: Crs vs CLG, Maybe watch: Coast vs C9 Only good for zoonie hilarity: TSM vs XDG lolno: EG vs C9
K, thanks. I hope I'm not the only one disappointed in EG's showing up to this point. Like krepo is doing fine but everyone else seems to be terrible ATM.
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On February 02 2014 10:39 JazzVortical wrote:Show nested quote +On February 02 2014 07:38 Goumindong wrote:On February 02 2014 02:55 Fusilero wrote:On February 02 2014 02:51 wei2coolman wrote:Are they going to lower the cost of dshield with this change? On February 02 2014 02:29 Fusilero wrote:On February 02 2014 02:28 MattBarry wrote:
I know Arpen vs AD is a banned discussion but my question is way more specific than that for Zed. I don't know the math of ArPen vs AD but we'll assume that last hitting is piss easy on Zed, is ArPen significantly better for dueling? Zed gets lots of free AD from his W and his passive means that last hitting under the turret is easy without flat AD so he gets much more throughout the game from armour pen. Isn't that more reason to run flat AD though? Cuz you get more value from it due to damage amplification on his W. Idk it's what I hear for the reasoning behind ArPen over AD maybe someone a bit more technical could lay it out On February 02 2014 06:25 cLutZ wrote:
Riot seems pretty salty that no one is starting Coin/Relic/Irrelevant anymore. I guess they didn't learn from the first round of jungler items. For real. They're going to have to turn all of the gold items into the coins gold generation The active of Talisman seems like the best too. Frost Queen's Claim needs massive help though. It seems logical to get it on someone like Zyra, who likes a bit of AP and harasses a lot, but the active is terrible and the gold generation sucks too.
The gold generation isn't too bad between the items - the shurelya active is massive comparatively.
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It has 20% CDR too. I know if I prefer 25% more spells or something like 10% more efficiency per spells with scaling because of 50 AP.
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FQC is worth the least gold from its stats, has the worst active, is less reliable for gold generation and is the only one that gives no CDR. COME ON.
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