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jcroisdale
United States1543 Posts
On February 02 2014 17:14 Sufficiency wrote: Yeah I agree. FQC should give at least 10% CDR while Talisman should only give 10% CDR. but without it how will we know who the bad supports are? | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
On February 02 2014 17:22 zer0das wrote: The problem with Irelia is she's a lot like Jax, but her burst isn't exactly better (unless you dump all of her spirit blades from her ult as soon as possible... but then you're missing out on a lot of sheen procs), and her sustained damage isn't better either. She's also reliant on getting ~two offensive items to have a decent burst, but unlike Jax she can't ignore autos for two seconds, and doesn't get any additional tankiness from her abilities. She used to leverage being ahead in levels and her true damage when she was strong (plus cc reduction), but she can't really do that anymore, so she's just really lackluster all around because teamfights start rolling around on 2-3 items, and she's just not tanky enough and her damage isn't even that good compared to other champions. Especially since she has to sit and auto to get the most out of her true damage. Her burst is poor until she gets triforce(or at least sheen+phage), but she can't lane against most of the bruisers without blade, can't really teamfight without a defensive item. Kinda like a less extreme version of poppy. Basically she's item dependant, but she gets dunked by most common laners, can't farm jungle to catch up, and is far too slow of a champion in the current meta(timing-wise). Most champs can come online after 3-4k gold(boots+big item). Irelia needs that much gold just to lane 1v1, double that to teamfight, and nearly triple to really start entering her carry phase(assuming not fed). Jax can do the same thing with just triforce or blade, and he comes online MUCH faster, and brings a much, much scarier lategame threat. Other contributing factors - phage slow change, no more lane domination via WQ creep, first auto slow>4-5 more W enhanced autos, almost every champ can disengage with ease now because they can either slow, stun, or just run away faster. - 2v1 meta. Irelia can't clear waves at all, and has almost no defense against a tower dive. She also can't farm jungle very well. - Various nerfs which should honestly just be reverted at this point. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On February 02 2014 15:52 kongoline wrote: im pretty sure irelia wrecks khazix though Haven't laned against him since the Q/W changes, but at that time he could just go "lolnope", W the wave to one-shot it, and Irelia couldn't beat him with isolation bonus. Now he can't W the wave anymore but he's likely to have maxed Q and even evolved it, so he just goes Tiamat, one/two-shot the wave anyway, and she still can't fight him. If she tries to engage he can just derp away with E or his ult. Note that it also works with ganks. | ||
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Eppa!
Sweden4641 Posts
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Zdrastochye
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
On February 02 2014 16:38 Zooper31 wrote: NA Servers crashing again. Forums are blowing up about it. Lost another ranked game cause of lag. That's 3 ranked games unplayable cause of lag in the past 3days. What the fuck Riot? What's happening? Here's hoping this last one is a Loss Forgiven too. Enemy team wasn't lagging at all for some reason and was especially douchey about their win and 5 man pushed mid and gave us no chance at all. I'm not sure how that's douchey. They ended it quickly rather than have your wait until someone dc'd at a critical moment and you would have lost anyways. And EUW servers are muchhhh worse. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 03 2014 00:37 Eppa! wrote: Frost Queen should get spooky ghosts. It is a terrible item with the worst passive gold gain of all. Shurelyas is overrated though; its really good but no the godly item of support. You can work around it with a lot of comps. Face of the mountain is strong especially if Shield gets nerfed. Face of mountain sorta blows, cuz mikaels crucible does similar thing, except better. And having strong disengage is so good. | ||
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Yezzus
United States2318 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23444 Posts
On February 03 2014 01:35 wei2coolman wrote: Face of mountain sorta blows, cuz mikaels crucible does similar thing, except better. And having strong disengage is so good. yeah but dat regen doe face is alright on tanks obviously you dont get it on anyone else if you skip sightstone for face if you get kills early just to be a beast its retarded how strong that item is for bot lane On February 03 2014 01:36 Yezzus wrote: Does anyone here play 3s? More specifically ranked 3s? 3's is terrible now that they changed the map to remove all movement and strategy its basically like the 1v1 map with a jungle now | ||
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kongoline
6318 Posts
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Omnishroud
1073 Posts
On February 03 2014 01:11 Zdrastochye wrote: I'm not sure how that's douchey. They ended it quickly rather than have your wait until someone dc'd at a critical moment and you would have lost anyways. And EUW servers are muchhhh worse. And as a representative for all of EUW, we would like to say in unison. YEAAAAAAAAAAH HOW DOES IT FEEL. Cant tell us all to stfu with your perfect servers now CAN YOU. ...<3 | ||
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aurawashere
Canada454 Posts
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RouaF
France4121 Posts
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aurawashere
Canada454 Posts
On February 03 2014 01:45 kongoline wrote: riots balance team is retarded, they wanted to nerf gragas E but they actually buffed it with last changes so short range casters have even more problems laning against him (i rarely play mid and noticed it just now) They said they wanted to nerf his potential to roam with body slam and the changes were successful. At what point did they say they wanted to make his body slam shit tier? | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
On February 03 2014 01:45 kongoline wrote: riots balance team is retarded, they wanted to nerf gragas E but they actually buffed it with last changes so short range casters have even more problems laning against him (i rarely play mid and noticed it just now) I disagree with this. The E changes made him less safe, because he can no longer just run around by keep spamming his E. Previously he was too obnoxiously slippery. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 03 2014 01:38 Slayer91 wrote: yeah but dat regen doe face is alright on tanks obviously you dont get it on anyone else the problem with getting it on solo lane tanks is there are more slot efficient items. and even getting it on supports isn't always ideal, cuz most of the popular supports don't really get that much gold to buy enough health to make it amazing. Also watching this goodguygarry's stream, his character window is showing 100% magic pen on his fizz, wut. Clearly a glitch, but I wonder if he really does have 100% pen or just a character window thing. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23444 Posts
leona can easily get it | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 03 2014 02:41 Slayer91 wrote: solo lane tanks? leona can easily get it Well the idea is with getting it on solo lane tanks, is to group early at like 2-3 item timing and siege towers, where you can use it to strong effectiveness off it's procs. I guess Leona can get it, but you would be getting it pretty late, and I dunno if it's worth trading Talisman's utility for that. Also, leona can also just grab locket with all her other items too. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23444 Posts
the only reason to get talisman is shurelyas, you gain way more gold with targons buying targons late isnt that good an idea because if you're getting it at 20-25 minutes thats when most of your farming gets done for most people who buy it | ||
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Dgiese
United States2687 Posts
On February 03 2014 02:48 wei2coolman wrote: Well the idea is with getting it on solo lane tanks, is to group early at like 2-3 item timing and siege towers, where you can use it to strong effectiveness off it's procs. I guess Leona can get it, but you would be getting it pretty late, and I dunno if it's worth trading Talisman's utility for that. Also, leona can also just grab locket with all her other items too. Those early 2-3 item timings huh? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On February 03 2014 02:50 Slayer91 wrote: you start relic shield, you can get it around 10 minutes or so if you're doing well the only reason to get talisman is shurelyas, you gain way more gold with targons buying targons late isnt that good an idea because if you're getting it at 20-25 minutes thats when most of your farming gets done for most people who buy it Getting targons is always going to be late though, unless you suggest walking into lane as Leona without dshield? | ||
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