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On February 03 2014 04:28 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 04:26 wei2coolman wrote:On February 03 2014 03:58 Slusher wrote:On February 03 2014 03:35 Shikyo wrote:On February 03 2014 03:09 Slusher wrote:
wtf leona needs dshield less than like any other support How? She's melee... I'd say she needs it more than like any other support Relic shield isn't worse enough to justify the gold difference when you take into consideration a) W b) the nature of Leona trades c) How good Leona scales with items d) Leona can put 21 in D, does not need as much of the utility tree as a lot of the ranged supports. (or I should say is too good with 21 D to justify deep utility ofc deep utility "could" be useful) it (unintentionally I'm sure) is a lot better on ranged supports who want to auto trade a lot, because it allows them to get a lot more out of the trade than an adc with a dblade think, Annie, Karma, Lulu, Thresh oh and Sona ofc, Sona virtually nonviable w/o dshield I would say she needs it more than any other support. The problem with relic is the level 1-2, where leona sorta gets shoved on and enemies get level 2 earlier. If you can hit level 3 without getting dumped on by an all in at level 2, then relic shield is better. But Dshield mitigates a lot of the level 1-2 shenanigans that happens. You could just buy 3 pots and it would be literally the same except you would get more gold and heal your ad a bit.Most people know you have to 1v2 pretty much really early when you playing with leona.It is standart to stay in xp range and miss a few cs not the end of world.
I am not sure. I feel that in the Leona vs Thresh matchup, if Leona has D Shield and Thresh does not, Thresh will get pushed around like crazy. The difference is huge.
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Riot's problem has always been their inability to see the game as an organic being. Just because they designed something with a particular purpose in mind DOES NOT mean that emergent gameplay will see it in the same light. Thus, their decisions are often heavy-handed because they are insistent on forcing their ideas instead of letting the game evolve on its own.
GP10, Wriggle's, jungle items, jungle camps, warding and now the support items have all seen inelegant changes forced upon them so that Riot can dictate how their game is to be played. Of course, they do this with the mindset that they are creating a game that is both fun to play and fun to watch, as is obviously their business interest.
So, my question to you, GD, do you enjoy playing or watching the game now more than you did before all these changes? Obviously some of these changes date back to S2 or earlier, so some of you might have a different perspective, but it is still important nonetheless. Is Riot doing a good job making a fun game to watch/play?
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what else is thresh seriously going to start though
also thresh has a ranged attack to harass her away so it all depends on thresh hooks on how leona engages like every other thresh and leona matchup
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On February 03 2014 04:49 Slayer91 wrote:
Dorans shield damage reduction occurs BEFORE all defensive scaling I think. Otherwise it would be broken
ancient coin is much worse as gp10 , I often get 800-1000 gold from the relic shield shit.
I've read in multiple places that Doran's Shield applies after armor, but they didn't really corroborate with test results or anything like that.
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On February 03 2014 04:56 Shiznick wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 04:49 Slayer91 wrote:
Dorans shield damage reduction occurs BEFORE all defensive scaling I think. Otherwise it would be broken
ancient coin is much worse as gp10 , I often get 800-1000 gold from the relic shield shit. I've read in multiple places that Doran's Shield applies after armor, but they didn't really corroborate with test results or anything like that.
source?
http://www.reignofgaming.net/forums/strategy/runes-and-mastery-discussion/30802-mastery-theorycrafting-reinforced-armor-doran
"For those who did not want to read the full test result:
Doran Shield blocks 6 raw damage before armor calculation"
this was before the block buff but there's no reason that riot would change
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On February 03 2014 04:53 Sufficiency wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 04:28 nafta wrote:On February 03 2014 04:26 wei2coolman wrote:On February 03 2014 03:58 Slusher wrote:On February 03 2014 03:35 Shikyo wrote:On February 03 2014 03:09 Slusher wrote:
wtf leona needs dshield less than like any other support How? She's melee... I'd say she needs it more than like any other support Relic shield isn't worse enough to justify the gold difference when you take into consideration a) W b) the nature of Leona trades c) How good Leona scales with items d) Leona can put 21 in D, does not need as much of the utility tree as a lot of the ranged supports. (or I should say is too good with 21 D to justify deep utility ofc deep utility "could" be useful) it (unintentionally I'm sure) is a lot better on ranged supports who want to auto trade a lot, because it allows them to get a lot more out of the trade than an adc with a dblade think, Annie, Karma, Lulu, Thresh oh and Sona ofc, Sona virtually nonviable w/o dshield I would say she needs it more than any other support. The problem with relic is the level 1-2, where leona sorta gets shoved on and enemies get level 2 earlier. If you can hit level 3 without getting dumped on by an all in at level 2, then relic shield is better. But Dshield mitigates a lot of the level 1-2 shenanigans that happens. You could just buy 3 pots and it would be literally the same except you would get more gold and heal your ad a bit.Most people know you have to 1v2 pretty much really early when you playing with leona.It is standart to stay in xp range and miss a few cs not the end of world. I am not sure. I feel that in the Leona vs Thresh matchup, if Leona has D Shield and Thresh does not, Thresh will get pushed around like crazy. The difference is huge.
Pre 6 leona shouldnt be able to do anything no matter your starting items.
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flay can rapp leonas e but sometimes you can still get stun off actually
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On February 03 2014 04:56 Shiznick wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 04:49 Slayer91 wrote:
Dorans shield damage reduction occurs BEFORE all defensive scaling I think. Otherwise it would be broken
ancient coin is much worse as gp10 , I often get 800-1000 gold from the relic shield shit. I've read in multiple places that Doran's Shield applies after armor, but they didn't really corroborate with test results or anything like that.
Go do Science!
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On February 03 2014 05:00 Slayer91 wrote:
flay can rapp leonas e but sometimes you can still get stun off actually
What do you mean?She still jumps if thresh flays too early or his ad has bad positioning and doesn't feel like babysitting him.Still think should be easy for a thresh lane to be ahead in cs at least pre 6 vs leona.
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On February 03 2014 04:59 Slayer91 wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 04:56 Shiznick wrote:On February 03 2014 04:49 Slayer91 wrote:
Dorans shield damage reduction occurs BEFORE all defensive scaling I think. Otherwise it would be broken
ancient coin is much worse as gp10 , I often get 800-1000 gold from the relic shield shit. I've read in multiple places that Doran's Shield applies after armor, but they didn't really corroborate with test results or anything like that. source? http://www.reignofgaming.net/forums/strategy/runes-and-mastery-discussion/30802-mastery-theorycrafting-reinforced-armor-doran"For those who did not want to read the full test result: Doran Shield blocks 6 raw damage before armor calculation" this was before the block buff but there's no reason that riot would change
all of the topics I saw by googling didn't actually do any experiments like in that post, so I guess I was wrong.
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On February 03 2014 04:28 Yezzus wrote:
NA servers are so fucked and no loss forgivens...
Why would there be loss forgiven?
EU had the problem for months and months and rarely to never got loss forgiven.
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On February 03 2014 05:10 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 04:28 Yezzus wrote:
NA servers are so fucked and no loss forgivens... Why would there be loss forgiven? EU had the problem for months and months and rarely to never got loss forgiven.
I play on EUW and I've never had a single loss forgiven ever.
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I have seen/had a lot of loss forgivens.....not enough though :D.
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On February 03 2014 05:05 nafta wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 05:00 Slayer91 wrote:
flay can rapp leonas e but sometimes you can still get stun off actually What do you mean?She still jumps if thresh flays too early or his ad has bad positioning and doesn't feel like babysitting him.Still think should be easy for a thresh lane to be ahead in cs at least pre 6 vs leona.
its pretty volatile depending on hooks and engages
being ahead in cs is whatever it depends on ads
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I've seen two losses forgiven's so far, and I'm on my promo too so this is pretty sweet
EDIT: on NA, not in china for two weeks
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On February 03 2014 04:52 nafta wrote:
Problem is there is nobody who can get talisman and it is a rather strong active.Otherwise targon gives a lot more gold yeah.
I actually think mountain shield is stronger in solo as it's power is entirely dictated by the holder in comparison
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On February 03 2014 05:31 Slusher wrote:Show nested quote +On February 03 2014 04:52 nafta wrote:
Problem is there is nobody who can get talisman and it is a rather strong active.Otherwise targon gives a lot more gold yeah. I actually think mountain shield is stronger in solo as it's power is entirely dictated by the holder in comparison
that sentence was like a badly translated chinese proverb
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Try to conserve words when phone posting
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I dunno having a visible GO TEAM PLS sign and being on an initiator is beast.
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I run 34 armor 12 mr 0/30/0 with dshield start on Leona/Thresh. Sometimes I buy Relic on Leona, I don't think it makes much of a difference at that point. Is there any point on getting utility/offensive tree on melee supports I'm liking this set up.
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