EPTI dunno, I love naut's design and abilities but he is just horridly outclassed.
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
I dunno, I love naut's design and abilities but he is just horridly outclassed. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 30 2014 08:07 Fusilero wrote: I think that naut in his current state if it wasn't for how dominant early game oriented junglers like elise/lee/vi are would be fantastic but well late game junglers just feel like a pretty big risk that most teams are unwilling to take (Until roccat do it ofc) The problem isn't that they are dominant (as in, why those junglers are bleh), its that the jungle itself dominates some of these junglers. Maokai and Nautilus probably could smite blue (like, at the start if you didnt fear any invade) then go straight to red and smite might be back up in time. Plus, they would be at like 40% Life. I still don't get why they decided to make the jungle hard to kill and do decent damage. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 30 2014 08:17 cLutZ wrote: The problem isn't that they are dominant (as in, why those junglers are bleh), its that the jungle itself dominates some of these junglers. Maokai and Nautilus probably could smite blue (like, at the start if you didnt fear any invade) then go straight to red and smite might be back up in time. Plus, they would be at like 40% Life. I still don't get why they decided to make the jungle hard to kill and do decent damage. I feel like wight is a massive gating problem, junglers that can take it down reasonably has a massive advantage over anyone else. I don't think double golems is that bad for naut/maokai etc but they'll lose an absurd amount of time compared the big three taking wight and will probably take a beating in the process | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23377 Posts
On January 30 2014 08:14 krndandaman wrote: what would be an appropriate nerf to elise? lowering the amount of time she is untargettable during rappel? perhaps slightly weaker spiderling damage? just reduce her damage a bit maybe the % based is too high | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On January 30 2014 08:19 Fusilero wrote: I feel like wight is a massive gating problem, junglers that can take it down reasonably has a massive advantage over anyone else. I don't think double golems is that bad for naut/maokai etc but they'll lose an absurd amount of time compared the big three taking wight and will probably take a beating in the process I could see something work like making his W toggle (like Aatrox) with the downside of lower movement speed when W activated. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22566 Posts
On January 30 2014 08:05 Alaric wrote: ^ what? I assume it's a WoW boss or something? You mean at level 18? It's still around 1s for most of the game (a bit less early on and he gets fucked super hard by the slow animation). Not that it's bad, but the difference is noticeable, think Jinx's E normalisation and Annie's passive nerf. http://shadeofaranchant.ytmnd.com/ | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
Aran was ez. Karazhan was godly in atmosphere. My fav fight was Netherspite. I always got to stand in the green beam :3 Malchezaar was a cunt. Fucking rando infernal drops out of nowhere. | ||
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TheHumanSensation
Canada1210 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On January 30 2014 08:47 NeoIllusions wrote: I didn't watch IEM Sao Paulo but it seems Saint did gud enough of a job that Carmac is extending his offer to have Saint cast IEM World Champions as well. For those of you who watched, was it that good? :O https://twitter.com/mbCARMAC/status/428641749666238464 | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 30 2014 08:47 NeoIllusions wrote: I didn't watch IEM Sao Paulo but it seems Saint did gud enough of a job that Carmac is extending his offer to have Saint cast IEM World Champions as well. For those of you who watched, was it that good? :O https://twitter.com/mbCARMAC/status/428641749666238464 He was entertaining, and very informative. Rather than just commentate on what was going on, he was always providing info as to what 'should' be done, and why. It was refreshing to have casters that knows what they're talking about, especially one that's still involved heavily in current scene (lets' be honest, jatt and kobe haven't been involved in pro play in any of the recent changes, so their actual analysis from a pro perspective is sort of lacking) | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 30 2014 08:47 NeoIllusions wrote: I didn't watch IEM Sao Paulo but it seems Saint did gud enough of a job that Carmac is extending his offer to have Saint cast IEM World Champions as well. For those of you who watched, was it that good? :O https://twitter.com/mbCARMAC/status/428641749666238464 He was really good, pretty funny and insightful but felt like he would go a bit overboard with the criticism as giggle worthy as suggesting Minerva has never played thresh it felt a bit unnecessarily harsh | ||
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Parnage
United States7414 Posts
Also it's freakin Saint. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 30 2014 08:55 Fusilero wrote: He was really good, pretty funny and insightful but felt like he would go a bit overboard with the criticism as giggle worthy as suggesting Minerva has never played thresh it felt a bit unnecessarily harsh That early game thresh was purty bad though... | ||
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Sufficiency
Canada23833 Posts
QQ. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 30 2014 09:04 wei2coolman wrote: That early game thresh was purty bad though... Well yeah insurus vs pain was pretty damn comedic. Idk maybe I just see enough player bashing hanging around TL LoL LRs that hearing it also from the caster is mildly disorientating  On January 30 2014 09:04 Sufficiency wrote: I think Elise is really strong but she is so fucking hard to play. QQ. It's simple, only gank with red on. Miss cocoon, rappel anyway, pop W and execute to get kills anyway fun, fun, fun. | ||
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Gorsameth
Netherlands22566 Posts
On January 30 2014 09:05 Fusilero wrote: Well yeah insurus vs pain was pretty damn comedic. Idk maybe I just see enough player bashing hanging around TL LoL LRs that hearing it also from the caster is mildly disorientating It's simple, only gank with red on. Miss cocoon, rappel anyway, pop W and execute to get kills anyway fun, fun, fun. And to add to the Tresh comment when later in the game he played better Saint also mentioned that he played well :p | ||
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