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Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
January 29 2014 22:10 GMT
#2801
it is all written in the Jung-Gyun's "Art of LoL"
washed
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
January 29 2014 22:11 GMT
#2802
On January 30 2014 07:10 Vlanitak wrote:
it is all written in the Jung-Gyun's "Art of LoL"


"When you are an ADC, all things are turrets."

amirite Vlani?

WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 29 2014 22:16 GMT
#2803
On January 30 2014 07:10 Vlanitak wrote:
it is all written in the Jung-Gyun's "Art of LoL"

Pls give copies.
Glorious SEA doto
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
January 29 2014 22:34 GMT
#2804
On January 30 2014 06:33 Slayer91 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 05:52 JazzVortical wrote:
On January 30 2014 04:25 Slayer91 wrote:
riven and and elise aren't outrageously out of line
they are maybe slightly out of line (not even sure riven is a problem)

when people see a champ that is popular and does well, they just make up some reason why it's good. Vi does really insane damage for her mobility and cc capabilities, but her weakness is mostly tankiness.

Riven certainly isn't but how do you justify Elise? I find it hard to believe that a champion who has been must pick/ban for 48 years only slightly out of line. She completely strangles jungler choices because one jungler will inevitably be her (unless banned ofc, but then she is always a viable ban).

Sorry, bit angry and tired of seeing her.


she's incredible versatile, and is slightly too strong in most areas, if you hit her too hard nobody will play her, but you want to nerf her kinda like lee sin where he pops up all the time but isn't really "OP" anymore

Personally I think a big part of why Elise/Lee are so prominent is that the old junglers are just way too weak. Maokai, Nautilus, Sejuani all have problems simply just clearing the jungle.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
January 29 2014 22:36 GMT
#2805
On January 30 2014 07:08 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 07:07 Vlanitak wrote:
Give a man Lee sin and he might carry the early game,
Learn a man to Insec and he can carry for ever.
Korean Pro-verb

Is this how you teach Dig?
Make um chant proverbs?

I mean it's working so who cares
Bronze player stuck in platinum
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
January 29 2014 22:44 GMT
#2806
On January 30 2014 07:08 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 07:07 Vlanitak wrote:
Give a man Lee sin and he might carry the early game,
Learn a man to Insec and he can carry for ever.
Korean Pro-verb

Is this how you teach Dig?
Make um chant proverbs?


"We will not go near baron or the team will blow up" *gregorian chant*
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
January 29 2014 22:48 GMT
#2807
"first one to suggest baron has to hand-wash the teams underwear"
Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
January 29 2014 22:50 GMT
#2808
On January 30 2014 07:44 Parnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 07:08 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 30 2014 07:07 Vlanitak wrote:
Give a man Lee sin and he might carry the early game,
Learn a man to Insec and he can carry for ever.
Korean Pro-verb

Is this how you teach Dig?
Make um chant proverbs?


"We will not go near baron or the team will blow up" *gregorian chant*

Aran was design brilliance.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 29 2014 22:54 GMT
#2809
On January 30 2014 07:48 Dusty wrote:
"first one to suggest baron has to hand-wash the teams underwear"


Hmm, no wonder Crumbzz is always heading towards Baron...
Freeeeeeedom
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 29 2014 22:55 GMT
#2810
"the worm (baron) is a better bait than a meal"- ancient korean fisher
liftlift > tsm
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
January 29 2014 22:55 GMT
#2811
we actually stopped doing baron for a long time until we had improved shotcalling, now we do not fear the vilebeast
washed
onlywonderboy
Profile Joined August 2012
United States23745 Posts
January 29 2014 22:57 GMT
#2812
On January 30 2014 07:55 Vlanitak wrote:
we actually stopped doing baron for a long time until we had improved shotcalling, now we do not fear the vilebeast

Was avoiding Baron day 1? Do you guys like joke about that?
RIP Ryan Davis / TL or Die / @onlywonderboy
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 29 2014 22:58 GMT
#2813
On January 30 2014 07:55 Vlanitak wrote:
we actually stopped doing baron for a long time until we had improved shotcalling, now we do not fear the vilebeast

I imagine vlanitak behind them with a gambit style belt every scrim, three lashing per mention of the word baron. Ten if they enter the pit
Glorious SEA doto
Slayer91
Profile Joined February 2006
Ireland23335 Posts
January 29 2014 22:59 GMT
#2814
On January 30 2014 07:34 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 06:33 Slayer91 wrote:
On January 30 2014 05:52 JazzVortical wrote:
On January 30 2014 04:25 Slayer91 wrote:
riven and and elise aren't outrageously out of line
they are maybe slightly out of line (not even sure riven is a problem)

when people see a champ that is popular and does well, they just make up some reason why it's good. Vi does really insane damage for her mobility and cc capabilities, but her weakness is mostly tankiness.

Riven certainly isn't but how do you justify Elise? I find it hard to believe that a champion who has been must pick/ban for 48 years only slightly out of line. She completely strangles jungler choices because one jungler will inevitably be her (unless banned ofc, but then she is always a viable ban).

Sorry, bit angry and tired of seeing her.


she's incredible versatile, and is slightly too strong in most areas, if you hit her too hard nobody will play her, but you want to nerf her kinda like lee sin where he pops up all the time but isn't really "OP" anymore

Personally I think a big part of why Elise/Lee are so prominent is that the old junglers are just way too weak. Maokai, Nautilus, Sejuani all have problems simply just clearing the jungle.


yeah, i played maokai recently i lost so much hp and mana just jungling
other guys regen a lot from the new spirit stone
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 29 2014 23:00 GMT
#2815
On January 30 2014 07:34 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 06:33 Slayer91 wrote:
On January 30 2014 05:52 JazzVortical wrote:
On January 30 2014 04:25 Slayer91 wrote:
riven and and elise aren't outrageously out of line
they are maybe slightly out of line (not even sure riven is a problem)

when people see a champ that is popular and does well, they just make up some reason why it's good. Vi does really insane damage for her mobility and cc capabilities, but her weakness is mostly tankiness.

Riven certainly isn't but how do you justify Elise? I find it hard to believe that a champion who has been must pick/ban for 48 years only slightly out of line. She completely strangles jungler choices because one jungler will inevitably be her (unless banned ofc, but then she is always a viable ban).

Sorry, bit angry and tired of seeing her.


she's incredible versatile, and is slightly too strong in most areas, if you hit her too hard nobody will play her, but you want to nerf her kinda like lee sin where he pops up all the time but isn't really "OP" anymore

Personally I think a big part of why Elise/Lee are so prominent is that the old junglers are just way too weak. Maokai, Nautilus, Sejuani all have problems simply just clearing the jungle.

I still think nautilus with that crazy as fuck 1.5 second root on autos is going to appear at some point, maybe if some nerfs hit the current big three junglers.
Glorious SEA doto
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
January 29 2014 23:05 GMT
#2816
On January 30 2014 07:50 Haiq343 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 30 2014 07:44 Parnage wrote:
On January 30 2014 07:08 wei2coolman wrote:
On January 30 2014 07:07 Vlanitak wrote:
Give a man Lee sin and he might carry the early game,
Learn a man to Insec and he can carry for ever.
Korean Pro-verb

Is this how you teach Dig?
Make um chant proverbs?


"We will not go near baron or the team will blow up" *gregorian chant*

Aran was design brilliance.


It was. It's the subtle f-u to bads who dont understand a concept of staying still to not die. Then they did the not so subtle press button to not die way down the road.
-orb- Fan. Live the Nal_rA dream. || Yordles are cool.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-29 23:06:03
January 29 2014 23:05 GMT
#2817
^ what? I assume it's a WoW boss or something?

You mean at level 18? It's still around 1s for most of the game (a bit less early on and he gets fucked super hard by the slow animation). Not that it's bad, but the difference is noticeable, think Jinx's E normalisation and Annie's passive nerf.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
January 29 2014 23:07 GMT
#2818
On January 30 2014 08:05 Alaric wrote:
^ what? I assume it's a WoW boss or something?

You mean at level 18? It's still around 1s for most of the game (a bit less early on and he gets fucked super hard by the slow animation). Not that it's bad, but the difference is noticeable, think Jinx's E normalisation and Annie's passive nerf.

I think that naut in his current state if it wasn't for how dominant early game oriented junglers like elise/lee/vi are would be fantastic but well late game junglers just feel like a pretty big risk that most teams are unwilling to take (Until roccat do it ofc)
Glorious SEA doto
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 29 2014 23:09 GMT
#2819
His damage is also garbage late game, compared to stuff like Amumu or Sejuani. He already used to follow a spike previously, but since the W rape his damage falls off so hard past level 11 or so...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35167 Posts
January 29 2014 23:13 GMT
#2820
Since we were discussing it earlier, a new feedback thread for Diana has opened up. Hit it up if you have input.

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=44777595#44777595
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