EPT[Patch 4.1] Season 4 Start General Discussion - Page 138
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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oneofthem
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 30 2014 03:38 oneofthem wrote: apdo is still banned for like 5 ogn seasons i think. there are other dudes on ladder who are apdo level at mid. most3 got picked up by kt. 5 OGN season O.o damn. | ||
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Steins;Gate
1422 Posts
On January 30 2014 03:37 wei2coolman wrote: Just had a thought, what if CJ picked up Apdo? Baeme to Frost right? | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Do not stick your elo in crazy. On January 30 2014 03:09 Silvanel wrote: Well i am fairly sure i know who is the weakest link in OceloteWorld. Gotta admire the hustle of a man who is simultaneously the star and worst player of his team | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Now before people jump at my throat I'm not saying they're identical, but for all intents and purposes Maokai (with 150 less range) and Jarvan do the same thing to midlaners whose lives they decide to make hell out of, in terms of ganking. Having to patiently explain people why Ezreal/Sona gets shat on by lanes who push harder than them and why ending up camping under the enemy Cait's/Jinx's/etc. tower with a 7-0 combined score as all to do with players being shit over the match-up is way more taxing than it should. Especially when a third party chimes in to say the lane is shit and general and the first person ignores the whole situational stuff you expose to focus on the absolute and wrong statements. >_> | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
Vi also has better base stats/numbers on skills in terms of damage and tankiness, and scales much better than either Maokai or Jarvan. | ||
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kongoline
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nafta
Bulgaria18893 Posts
On January 30 2014 03:47 Alaric wrote: It's still weird to see people complain about Vi when Jarvan's been doing the same thing for seasons now, without even waiting for level 6. The difference is the possibility of flashing it (but J4 has a way shorter cooldown to do it again, and it doesn't end up under your tower if you flash there) and using knock-backs/ups (since even if you cc him he'll complete the dash and cc you in turn otherwise). Now before people jump at my throat I'm not saying they're identical, but for all intents and purposes Maokai (with 150 less range) and Jarvan do the same thing to midlaners whose lives they decide to make hell out of, in terms of ganking. Not true at all wtf.Vi has unremovable/undodgeable cc AND she creates a path when she ults for skillshots as well. | ||
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Silvanel
Poland4742 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
I mean, people complain because "you can't escape Vi ganks", you tell them "others have that too" (heck, Malphite did that back when he had a decent clear time) and now they say "but she does damage too!" If Vi uses her Q to get in range she loses a big part of her burst, so there's that, she outranges J4 is she forgoes damage. Maokai has the double cc combo too (W -> walk behind them -> Q). She does more damage than them but it's not like theirs is pathetic either (well Maokai's is past level 6 or so compared to her, but he can still camp mid pre-6). I think you're being too absolute/excessive about it (and yes, I know it's somewhat ironic coming from me). She's strong, but it's not like she's unique. The fact that she scales better and has better base stats in offense or defense doesn't make her worse for you as a ganker, its influence is indirect in making her more susceptible to be picked, but it's not like scaling is your primary concern is Maokai camps you mid and you're 0-3 by level 5. I mean, I agree about the points like scaling in a vacuum, but we're talking about the viability of Anivia's laning, not during the whole game. At least I understood it this way. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 30 2014 04:03 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: In the end it's all moot because Elise and Lee Sin are too bullshit and no other jungler comes close. At least lee sin falls off in late game, Elise just scales better and better. | ||
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21244 Posts
On January 30 2014 04:04 wei2coolman wrote: At least lee sin falls off in late game Can we stop repeating falsehoods? Thanks. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
On the other hand she can build pen and it makes her both tanky and bursty in the midgame. :[ Wtf Aranae, since when do you not suicide when you try that? | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 30 2014 04:07 Alaric wrote: Elise's teamfighting doesn't scale. Her damage does if she builds for it but then she lacks tankiness so she can't go in the melee. On the other hand she can build pen and it makes her both tanky and bursty in the midgame. :[ Mpen + %hp damage is pretty silly good, especially on squishier targets in late game. The thing about Lee Sin and Elise though, requires a lot more skill/effort to be played effectively. EDIT: Aranae's kill on Kami was pretty good. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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