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GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
December 18 2013 03:19 GMT
#1141
Facecheck a bush, Flash has 150 turrets in there.
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 03:24:10
December 18 2013 03:23 GMT
#1142
The old Heimerdinger could have worked better, the current one can only have 4 turrets out with one of those being just temporary.

Being able to have 5 turrets was so much better.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
December 18 2013 03:41 GMT
#1143
On December 18 2013 12:17 Brad` wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 11:59 Gahlo wrote:
On December 18 2013 11:53 koreasilver wrote:
Flash has tried to make a name in SC2 and has failed so far, and BW -> SC2 is a lot more alike than BW -> LoL.

Flash's Heimerdinger would be incredible.

I wonder how many people get this joke, but I fucking lol'd.

It originally said godlike, but I figured that was too heavy handed.

On December 18 2013 12:23 Shikyo wrote:
The old Heimerdinger could have worked better, the current one can only have 4 turrets out with one of those being just temporary.

Being able to have 5 turrets was so much better.

Get a syndra spy, you can probably work around it that way.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 04:27:56
December 18 2013 04:27 GMT
#1144
Shikyo, did you watch BotA? Cruzer was the weakest link, Kiwi's Karma did alright Game 2, but 4-5 man camping bottom lane. It's impossible to gauge anything about Dig's bot lane from that clusterfuck.

There are a number of things wrong with Dig's current roster, and Kiwi doesn't seem to be a priority.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 04:32:17
December 18 2013 04:30 GMT
#1145
On December 18 2013 13:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Shikyo, did you watch BotA? Cruzer was the weakest link, Kiwi's Karma did alright Game 2, but 4-5 man camping bottom lane. It's impossible to gauge anything about Dig's bot lane from that clusterfuck.

There are a number of things wrong with Dig's current roster, and Kiwi doesn't seem to be a priority.

Nope, I guess I should...

That's strange, I thought that Kiwikid was a significantly better toplaner than Cruzer. Hm, I'll try to find the vods.

Wait they have Patoy as a sub but are using Kiwikid? I'm utterly confused.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Amethyst21
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada7032 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 05:12:23
December 18 2013 05:11 GMT
#1146
On December 18 2013 13:30 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 13:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Shikyo, did you watch BotA? Cruzer was the weakest link, Kiwi's Karma did alright Game 2, but 4-5 man camping bottom lane. It's impossible to gauge anything about Dig's bot lane from that clusterfuck.

There are a number of things wrong with Dig's current roster, and Kiwi doesn't seem to be a priority.

Nope, I guess I should...

That's strange, I thought that Kiwikid was a significantly better toplaner than Cruzer. Hm, I'll try to find the vods.

Wait they have Patoy as a sub but are using Kiwikid? I'm utterly confused.


Patoy was given an undisclosed 'ultimatum' by Dignitas which Patoy apparently refused. Some people say its because he never practiced solo queue. Some say it was the cat/gf situation. Some say it was personality conflicts. So essentially no one knows.

I'm a huge Patoy fan but his play dropped off massively towards the end of the summer split. If Dignitas basically told him to play more solo queue and he refused, than I'm fine with him getting demoted to sub.

Edit: I bash Kiwi as much as anyone, but he puts in lots of solo queue hours. He might not be the most talented, but his work ethic appears to be strong
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oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 05:12:46
December 18 2013 05:12 GMT
#1147
some of the bw pros are not that game smart. it's a game taht relies on routines and coaching. they obviously have the mechanics for lol but the in game decisionmaking/play making ability may be lacking
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
December 18 2013 05:28 GMT
#1148
On December 18 2013 14:11 Amethyst21 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 13:30 Shikyo wrote:
On December 18 2013 13:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Shikyo, did you watch BotA? Cruzer was the weakest link, Kiwi's Karma did alright Game 2, but 4-5 man camping bottom lane. It's impossible to gauge anything about Dig's bot lane from that clusterfuck.

There are a number of things wrong with Dig's current roster, and Kiwi doesn't seem to be a priority.

Nope, I guess I should...

That's strange, I thought that Kiwikid was a significantly better toplaner than Cruzer. Hm, I'll try to find the vods.

Wait they have Patoy as a sub but are using Kiwikid? I'm utterly confused.


Patoy was given an undisclosed 'ultimatum' by Dignitas which Patoy apparently refused. Some people say its because he never practiced solo queue. Some say it was the cat/gf situation. Some say it was personality conflicts. So essentially no one knows.

I'm a huge Patoy fan but his play dropped off massively towards the end of the summer split. If Dignitas basically told him to play more solo queue and he refused, than I'm fine with him getting demoted to sub.

Edit: I bash Kiwi as much as anyone, but he puts in lots of solo queue hours. He might not be the most talented, but his work ethic appears to be strong


Cat situation?
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Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 05:32:48
December 18 2013 05:32 GMT
#1149
After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm.

Guess Kiwikid wasn't playing horribly apart from some specific plays although I'm questioning the botlane brush control his team has especially in the second match. Generally starting with sweeping lens is a complete no-no because of that(not sure if this is different after the patch).
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Parnage
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States7414 Posts
December 18 2013 05:33 GMT
#1150
Honestly I was just thinking it'd be great to stop having people say "ugh this is too strong it needs to be nerfed" instead of "what can I do to deal with this" that tends to inundate the League and modern gaming communities. While somethings are certainly in dire need of changing I do ponder what a lengthy time between balance patches would do to the League and pro play.

Also I love league and bw as I think most folks here do so I wasn't trying to insult one or the other >_> was just a joke as the idea of having some pro like doublelift panic as his mineral line is stormed amuses me.
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arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
December 18 2013 05:35 GMT
#1151
On December 18 2013 14:28 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 14:11 Amethyst21 wrote:
On December 18 2013 13:30 Shikyo wrote:
On December 18 2013 13:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Shikyo, did you watch BotA? Cruzer was the weakest link, Kiwi's Karma did alright Game 2, but 4-5 man camping bottom lane. It's impossible to gauge anything about Dig's bot lane from that clusterfuck.

There are a number of things wrong with Dig's current roster, and Kiwi doesn't seem to be a priority.

Nope, I guess I should...

That's strange, I thought that Kiwikid was a significantly better toplaner than Cruzer. Hm, I'll try to find the vods.

Wait they have Patoy as a sub but are using Kiwikid? I'm utterly confused.


Patoy was given an undisclosed 'ultimatum' by Dignitas which Patoy apparently refused. Some people say its because he never practiced solo queue. Some say it was the cat/gf situation. Some say it was personality conflicts. So essentially no one knows.

I'm a huge Patoy fan but his play dropped off massively towards the end of the summer split. If Dignitas basically told him to play more solo queue and he refused, than I'm fine with him getting demoted to sub.

Edit: I bash Kiwi as much as anyone, but he puts in lots of solo queue hours. He might not be the most talented, but his work ethic appears to be strong


Cat situation?

Legend has it his cat hated everyone else and would scratch them whenever it could.
Some say it's still scratching...
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 18 2013 05:38 GMT
#1152
On December 18 2013 14:32 Shikyo wrote:
After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm.


Wth what Malph goes Sheen first?
Or TF for that matter lol.

TIL that support Zyra should max Q first with AP runes. So much more presence than simply trying to land roots all day and maxing W.
Forever Young
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
December 18 2013 05:50 GMT
#1153
On December 18 2013 14:38 sung_moon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 14:32 Shikyo wrote:
After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm.


Wth what Malph goes Sheen first?
Or TF for that matter lol.

TIL that support Zyra should max Q first with AP runes. So much more presence than simply trying to land roots all day and maxing W.

Yup he somehow lost to Wickd Malphite top when Wickd rushed Trinity Force. I have no clue how that's possible, Shyvana forces Malphite off the lane / to lose farm even when he goes full tank.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 18 2013 05:50 GMT
#1154
On December 18 2013 14:38 sung_moon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 14:32 Shikyo wrote:
After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm.


Wth what Malph goes Sheen first?
Or TF for that matter lol.

TIL that support Zyra should max Q first with AP runes. So much more presence than simply trying to land roots all day and maxing W.


ALL FUCKING DAY yes to your Zyra thing. That tip got me to gold (won promos supporting as Zyra both times)
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 06:01:31
December 18 2013 05:58 GMT
#1155
On December 18 2013 14:38 sung_moon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 14:32 Shikyo wrote:
After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm.


Wth what Malph goes Sheen first?
Or TF for that matter lol.

TIL that support Zyra should max Q first with AP runes. So much more presence than simply trying to land roots all day and maxing W.

malph is like 1 of 4 champs that can increase his total ad by %. his W is absolutely broken as shit for this very reason, AD is better on him than people think., would i rush sheen first? no.

vs. shyvana? no

in a pro game? fuck no

it's a fun pubstomp build (aka the "bitchslap build") but it's crazy to me not only that wickd builds that out of left field, but mostly because cruzer, like everyone was saying made no effort to pressure malphite before (or after) his power spike, or even have any sort of presence in rotations compared to malphite just TPing in and shitting on people. 9 times out of 10 wickd doesn't finish TF, he would probably instead turns the sheen into iceborn gauntlet, as long as the other top laner, 'specially shyvana, realizes "hey, why the hell is malphite farting outsheen particles here?"
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35173 Posts
December 18 2013 06:07 GMT
#1156
On December 18 2013 14:58 suicideyear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 14:38 sung_moon wrote:
On December 18 2013 14:32 Shikyo wrote:
After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm.


Wth what Malph goes Sheen first?
Or TF for that matter lol.

TIL that support Zyra should max Q first with AP runes. So much more presence than simply trying to land roots all day and maxing W.

malph is like 1 of 4 champs that can increase his total ad by %. his W is absolutely broken as shit for this very reason, AD is better on him than people think., would i rush sheen first? no.

vs. shyvana? no

in a pro game? fuck no

it's a fun pubstomp build (aka the "bitchslap build") but it's crazy to me not only that wickd builds that out of left field, but mostly because cruzer, like everyone was saying made no effort to pressure malphite before (or after) his power spike, or even have any sort of presence in rotations compared to malphite just TPing in and shitting on people. 9 times out of 10 wickd doesn't finish TF, he would probably instead turns the sheen into iceborn gauntlet, as long as the other top laner, 'specially shyvana, realizes "hey, why the hell is malphite farting outsheen particles here?"

https://www.facebook.com/LoLWickd/posts/462847143820422
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
December 18 2013 06:26 GMT
#1157
On December 18 2013 14:28 GolemMadness wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 14:11 Amethyst21 wrote:
On December 18 2013 13:30 Shikyo wrote:
On December 18 2013 13:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Shikyo, did you watch BotA? Cruzer was the weakest link, Kiwi's Karma did alright Game 2, but 4-5 man camping bottom lane. It's impossible to gauge anything about Dig's bot lane from that clusterfuck.

There are a number of things wrong with Dig's current roster, and Kiwi doesn't seem to be a priority.

Nope, I guess I should...

That's strange, I thought that Kiwikid was a significantly better toplaner than Cruzer. Hm, I'll try to find the vods.

Wait they have Patoy as a sub but are using Kiwikid? I'm utterly confused.


Patoy was given an undisclosed 'ultimatum' by Dignitas which Patoy apparently refused. Some people say its because he never practiced solo queue. Some say it was the cat/gf situation. Some say it was personality conflicts. So essentially no one knows.

I'm a huge Patoy fan but his play dropped off massively towards the end of the summer split. If Dignitas basically told him to play more solo queue and he refused, than I'm fine with him getting demoted to sub.

Edit: I bash Kiwi as much as anyone, but he puts in lots of solo queue hours. He might not be the most talented, but his work ethic appears to be strong


Cat situation?


Scarra is deathly allergic to cats. At some point during the last year, Patoy decided to adopt a bunch of cats and keep them in his room - kind of a weird thing to do when you live with someone who's allergic.

Based on what I've seen/read though this is only part of why he got dropped, but it fits in with the bigger problem of it seeming like he didn't get along with the team so well.

As for the discussion about Cruzer, I don't understand that pickup at all. He just looked completely out of his element in the BoTA, like he didn't understand Shyvana at all. Maybe he'd only practiced Rengar or something, or he was totally nervous in his first appearance with Dig. I hope he does well, but I'd much rather see them try to pick up a new top laner who isn't a retread or some actual proven free agent talent like Zorozero.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 06:28:58
December 18 2013 06:26 GMT
#1158
On December 18 2013 15:07 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 14:58 suicideyear wrote:
On December 18 2013 14:38 sung_moon wrote:
On December 18 2013 14:32 Shikyo wrote:
After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm.


Wth what Malph goes Sheen first?
Or TF for that matter lol.

TIL that support Zyra should max Q first with AP runes. So much more presence than simply trying to land roots all day and maxing W.

malph is like 1 of 4 champs that can increase his total ad by %. his W is absolutely broken as shit for this very reason, AD is better on him than people think., would i rush sheen first? no.

vs. shyvana? no

in a pro game? fuck no

it's a fun pubstomp build (aka the "bitchslap build") but it's crazy to me not only that wickd builds that out of left field, but mostly because cruzer, like everyone was saying made no effort to pressure malphite before (or after) his power spike, or even have any sort of presence in rotations compared to malphite just TPing in and shitting on people. 9 times out of 10 wickd doesn't finish TF, he would probably instead turns the sheen into iceborn gauntlet, as long as the other top laner, 'specially shyvana, realizes "hey, why the hell is malphite farting outsheen particles here?"

https://www.facebook.com/LoLWickd/posts/462847143820422

I won't believe him at all unless he actually rushes that against a competent toplaner.

And no, his explanation isn't convincing in the slightest. It's not like Trinity Force is that common on Irelia either for very obvious reasons(You need to be more tanky earlier) and the aspd is much better on her because of W, etc.
On December 18 2013 15:26 Swords wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 14:28 GolemMadness wrote:
On December 18 2013 14:11 Amethyst21 wrote:
On December 18 2013 13:30 Shikyo wrote:
On December 18 2013 13:27 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Shikyo, did you watch BotA? Cruzer was the weakest link, Kiwi's Karma did alright Game 2, but 4-5 man camping bottom lane. It's impossible to gauge anything about Dig's bot lane from that clusterfuck.

There are a number of things wrong with Dig's current roster, and Kiwi doesn't seem to be a priority.

Nope, I guess I should...

That's strange, I thought that Kiwikid was a significantly better toplaner than Cruzer. Hm, I'll try to find the vods.

Wait they have Patoy as a sub but are using Kiwikid? I'm utterly confused.


Patoy was given an undisclosed 'ultimatum' by Dignitas which Patoy apparently refused. Some people say its because he never practiced solo queue. Some say it was the cat/gf situation. Some say it was personality conflicts. So essentially no one knows.

I'm a huge Patoy fan but his play dropped off massively towards the end of the summer split. If Dignitas basically told him to play more solo queue and he refused, than I'm fine with him getting demoted to sub.

Edit: I bash Kiwi as much as anyone, but he puts in lots of solo queue hours. He might not be the most talented, but his work ethic appears to be strong


Cat situation?


Scarra is deathly allergic to cats. At some point during the last year, Patoy decided to adopt a bunch of cats and keep them in his room - kind of a weird thing to do when you live with someone who's allergic.

Based on what I've seen/read though this is only part of why he got dropped, but it fits in with the bigger problem of it seeming like he didn't get along with the team so well.

As for the discussion about Cruzer, I don't understand that pickup at all. He just looked completely out of his element in the BoTA, like he didn't understand Shyvana at all. Maybe he'd only practiced Rengar or something, or he was totally nervous in his first appearance with Dig. I hope he does well, but I'd much rather see them try to pick up a new top laner who isn't a retread or some actual proven free agent talent like Zorozero.

Hm, Norwegian Forest Cats could work.
League of Legends EU West, Platinum III | Yousei Teikoku is the best thing that has ever happened to music.
Anakko
Profile Joined August 2012
France1934 Posts
December 18 2013 06:27 GMT
#1159
On December 18 2013 14:38 sung_moon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 14:32 Shikyo wrote:
After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm.


Wth what Malph goes Sheen first?
Or TF for that matter lol.

TIL that support Zyra should max Q first with AP runes. So much more presence than simply trying to land roots all day and maxing W.


Yeah maxing W is an horrible idea anyway, did you mean E? That's her root.
TrAce/Cpt Jack for president (or both)
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 06:32:01
December 18 2013 06:29 GMT
#1160
WTF Game breaking bug. Game announcer says I have a Killing Spree when I'm 8/0. Finished 11/0 and it only said Unstoppable.

Do assists break kill streaks now or something?
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