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On December 18 2013 15:27 Anakko wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 14:38 sung_moon wrote:On December 18 2013 14:32 Shikyo wrote: After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm. Wth what Malph goes Sheen first? Or TF for that matter lol. TIL that support Zyra should max Q first with AP runes. So much more presence than simply trying to land roots all day and maxing W. Yeah maxing W is an horrible idea anyway, did you mean E? That's her root.
I was under assumption W was best (support) since you get CDR on everything lol.
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On December 18 2013 14:50 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 14:38 sung_moon wrote:On December 18 2013 14:32 Shikyo wrote: After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm. Wth what Malph goes Sheen first? Or TF for that matter lol. TIL that support Zyra should max Q first with AP runes. So much more presence than simply trying to land roots all day and maxing W. Yup he somehow lost to Wickd Malphite top when Wickd rushed Trinity Force. I have no clue how that's possible, Shyvana forces Malphite off the lane / to lose farm even when he goes full tank. Note Wickd teleported bottom lane multiple times, or was able to force cruzer to back off when both were at full HP yet malph had no mana.
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On December 18 2013 15:41 sung_moon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 15:27 Anakko wrote:On December 18 2013 14:38 sung_moon wrote:On December 18 2013 14:32 Shikyo wrote: After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm. Wth what Malph goes Sheen first? Or TF for that matter lol. TIL that support Zyra should max Q first with AP runes. So much more presence than simply trying to land roots all day and maxing W. Yeah maxing W is an horrible idea anyway, did you mean E? That's her root. I was under assumption W was best (support) since you get CDR on everything lol. nah. Q max gives a ton of burst for you to threaten kills. E second cause it increases cc duration and lower cds is always good. W max might've been ok when Zyra was first released and W gave like 20% cdr - now it's not worth it at all.
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i just witnessed dfg lich nashors kayle absolutely fucking destroy an entire team, literally 2-shotting everyone
what in the hell
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I've never built Lich Bane on anyone besides TF/Fizz, but I've seen Kayle/Diana with Lich Bane for surprisingly strong burst.
I'll give it a try next time.
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On December 18 2013 16:10 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: i just witnessed dfg lich nashors kayle absolutely fucking destroy an entire team, literally 2-shotting everyone
what in the hell This is me every game. Like, every game. I have played Kayle in around 80% of my matches for the past few months.
I freaking love her.
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On December 18 2013 08:01 zulu_nation8 wrote: i hope ocelote isn't picking chaox because of his popularity, there has to be plenty of EU ADs who are much better.
Also with VES, everyone I asked seems to think they're awful and are guaranteed to lose. But they have so much more experience than the amateur teams and LANs are a different game than online. I can honestly see them crushing TBD.
If he was serious about his team, he would definitely try to get puszu. This is someone who proved they could play on a world level, and frankly did amazing. I don't really understand why this guy has not been picked up yet.
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On December 18 2013 16:10 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: i just witnessed dfg lich nashors kayle absolutely fucking destroy an entire team, literally 2-shotting everyone
what in the hell Kayle is going to be FotM very soon. I feel it on the wind.
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On December 18 2013 16:43 GhandiEAGLE wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 16:10 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: i just witnessed dfg lich nashors kayle absolutely fucking destroy an entire team, literally 2-shotting everyone
what in the hell Kayle is going to be FotM very soon. I feel it on the wind.
It is already FotM.
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On December 18 2013 16:39 ketchup wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2013 08:01 zulu_nation8 wrote: i hope ocelote isn't picking chaox because of his popularity, there has to be plenty of EU ADs who are much better.
Also with VES, everyone I asked seems to think they're awful and are guaranteed to lose. But they have so much more experience than the amateur teams and LANs are a different game than online. I can honestly see them crushing TBD. If he was serious about his team, he would definitely try to get puszu. This is someone who proved they could play on a world level, and frankly did amazing. I don't really understand why this guy has not been picked up yet. Because Ocelote wants big $$$, Chaox is much more famous than Puszu, even in EU
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Holy shit balls Kayle teamed with AP Jax is the most insane combo I've ever seen.
I'm not sure it was even beatable with our comp (Singed, Anivia, Twitch, Blitzcrank, Master Yi). In the time that Jax is spinning and Kayle is ulted they could easily kill Anivia and Twitch. Their AD, support and jungler were all totally useless, those 2 just demolished us. Burst from Anivia not enough to one-shot either of them (and if it was Kayle would block it), and once her stuns runs out she dies.
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Am I the only one who thinks Chaox is still a top-tier AD? He got kicked from TSM because he argues with Reginald a lot, and missing practice was the final straw. Then everyone decided Chaox was the root of all wrong on TSM for some reason. He's definitely better than most AD carries in both NA and Europe right now.
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On December 18 2013 18:13 TheLink wrote: Am I the only one who thinks Chaox is still a top-tier AD? He got kicked from TSM because he argues with Reginald a lot, and missing practice was the final straw. Then everyone decided Chaox was the root of all wrong on TSM for some reason. He's definitely better than most AD carries in both NA and Europe right now.
He partied the night before an important match (was it IPL5?), arrived late and hungover. This is enough for every team in any sport to kick the player regardless of how good he is. Yes, the cause for this was probably that he didn't get along with Regi anymore and started to not care about TSM.
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When he got booted, his champion pool was a half filled thimble. It was "MF or, uhm....profit?" even after she was nerfed, which caused comp strains. He started rarely carrying games late in S2, which I think was the result of Dyrus and Regi being the best in their lanes of NA at that time so he didn't need to.
Apparently he was constantly late to scrims, but being late to warmup at a competition and playing while hungover were pretty grievous transgressions. As much as I liked him, he wasn't really doing much for the team and TSM is stronger without him.
How good he is now is up in the air. I haven't seen him play in anything worthwhile since he got booted from TSM.
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The curious thing to me though is that everyone now equates that with Chaox sucked the whole time and should never be on another team.
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He was originally benched, kind of "disciplinary measure" and giving WT the chance to shine. Turns out WT shone much harder than they'd have thought, and had better chemistry with them and work ethic than Chaox, so they logically rolled with it.
As for Zyra, even when she had 20% CDR that's still only 4% per level, while leveling Q takes away 0.5s from it, which is 8.3% at worst (going from 6 to 5.5). You'll also only really start feeling the difference on E after level 5+, so not much influence on early laning (while Q's damage ramps up pretty huge) and reduced burst or cc at level 6.
And apparently Wickd realised just now that Triforce is about good on anyone provided that you get the gold, but that the problem is that you can't necessarily get the gold. For somebody who mained Irelia for so long it sure took long (I like how he argues about the weak laning phase to justify it though).
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Look at Chauster's line lol. He's the oldest person in CLG
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On December 18 2013 18:19 Gahlo wrote: When he got booted, his champion pool was a half filled thimble. It was "MF or, uhm....profit?" even after she was nerfed, which caused comp strains. He started rarely carrying games late in S2, which I think was the result of Dyrus and Regi being the best in their lanes of NA at that time so he didn't need to.
Apparently he was constantly late to scrims, but being late to warmup at a competition and playing while hungover were pretty grievous transgressions. As much as I liked him, he wasn't really doing much for the team and TSM is stronger without him.
How good he is now is up in the air. I haven't seen him play in anything worthwhile since he got booted from TSM. He was eeh when coast tried him out. They were better to take wizfujin over him.
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On December 18 2013 07:30 Gahlo wrote: How is Sejuani worse than Amumu? lol. Amumu has a lot of damage mitigation on his E and an instant ult.
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On December 18 2013 18:47 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:Amumu has a lot of damage mitigation on his E and an instant ult. Sejuani gets a bunch of armor from her passive, which probably ends up being better than the flat 10 reduction on Amumu's E due to it effecting physical abilities also. For Amumu's ult to be effective, he needs to either A. Hit a skillshot or B. Flash. Sejuani just needs to press Q to charge in. Sejuani has better overall cc.
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