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sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 18 2013 06:41 GMT
#1161
On December 18 2013 15:27 Anakko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 14:38 sung_moon wrote:
On December 18 2013 14:32 Shikyo wrote:
After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm.


Wth what Malph goes Sheen first?
Or TF for that matter lol.

TIL that support Zyra should max Q first with AP runes. So much more presence than simply trying to land roots all day and maxing W.


Yeah maxing W is an horrible idea anyway, did you mean E? That's her root.


I was under assumption W was best (support) since you get CDR on everything lol.
Forever Young
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
December 18 2013 06:48 GMT
#1162
On December 18 2013 14:50 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 14:38 sung_moon wrote:
On December 18 2013 14:32 Shikyo wrote:
After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm.


Wth what Malph goes Sheen first?
Or TF for that matter lol.

TIL that support Zyra should max Q first with AP runes. So much more presence than simply trying to land roots all day and maxing W.

Yup he somehow lost to Wickd Malphite top when Wickd rushed Trinity Force. I have no clue how that's possible, Shyvana forces Malphite off the lane / to lose farm even when he goes full tank.

Note Wickd teleported bottom lane multiple times, or was able to force cruzer to back off when both were at full HP yet malph had no mana.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
December 18 2013 06:56 GMT
#1163
On December 18 2013 15:41 sung_moon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 15:27 Anakko wrote:
On December 18 2013 14:38 sung_moon wrote:
On December 18 2013 14:32 Shikyo wrote:
After watching Dignitas vs Alliance, I definitely agree that Cruzer was the problem. He had favorable matchups both times, no huge pressure by the enemy jungler, maxed the wrong skill first, had a bad item build in the first game, and somehow got outfarmed both times - Outpushed even, which is nearly unbelievable considering he was playing as Shyvana. Shyvana should be able to bully a Sheen/Trinity Force rush malphite off the lane effortlessly, or at the very least win in farm.


Wth what Malph goes Sheen first?
Or TF for that matter lol.

TIL that support Zyra should max Q first with AP runes. So much more presence than simply trying to land roots all day and maxing W.


Yeah maxing W is an horrible idea anyway, did you mean E? That's her root.


I was under assumption W was best (support) since you get CDR on everything lol.

nah. Q max gives a ton of burst for you to threaten kills. E second cause it increases cc duration and lower cds is always good. W max might've been ok when Zyra was first released and W gave like 20% cdr - now it's not worth it at all.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
December 18 2013 07:10 GMT
#1164
i just witnessed dfg lich nashors kayle absolutely fucking destroy an entire team, literally 2-shotting everyone

what in the hell
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
December 18 2013 07:13 GMT
#1165
I've never built Lich Bane on anyone besides TF/Fizz, but I've seen Kayle/Diana with Lich Bane for surprisingly strong burst.

I'll give it a try next time.
Forever Young
Magus
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada450 Posts
December 18 2013 07:14 GMT
#1166
On December 18 2013 16:10 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i just witnessed dfg lich nashors kayle absolutely fucking destroy an entire team, literally 2-shotting everyone

what in the hell

This is me every game. Like, every game. I have played Kayle in around 80% of my matches for the past few months.

I freaking love her.
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
December 18 2013 07:39 GMT
#1167
On December 18 2013 08:01 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i hope ocelote isn't picking chaox because of his popularity, there has to be plenty of EU ADs who are much better.

Also with VES, everyone I asked seems to think they're awful and are guaranteed to lose. But they have so much more experience than the amateur teams and LANs are a different game than online. I can honestly see them crushing TBD.


If he was serious about his team, he would definitely try to get puszu. This is someone who proved they could play on a world level, and frankly did amazing. I don't really understand why this guy has not been picked up yet.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
December 18 2013 07:43 GMT
#1168
On December 18 2013 16:10 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i just witnessed dfg lich nashors kayle absolutely fucking destroy an entire team, literally 2-shotting everyone

what in the hell

Kayle is going to be FotM very soon. I feel it on the wind.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
December 18 2013 07:46 GMT
#1169
On December 18 2013 16:43 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 16:10 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
i just witnessed dfg lich nashors kayle absolutely fucking destroy an entire team, literally 2-shotting everyone

what in the hell

Kayle is going to be FotM very soon. I feel it on the wind.


It is already FotM.
Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
December 18 2013 08:07 GMT
#1170
On December 18 2013 16:39 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 08:01 zulu_nation8 wrote:
i hope ocelote isn't picking chaox because of his popularity, there has to be plenty of EU ADs who are much better.

Also with VES, everyone I asked seems to think they're awful and are guaranteed to lose. But they have so much more experience than the amateur teams and LANs are a different game than online. I can honestly see them crushing TBD.


If he was serious about his team, he would definitely try to get puszu. This is someone who proved they could play on a world level, and frankly did amazing. I don't really understand why this guy has not been picked up yet.

Because Ocelote wants big $$$, Chaox is much more famous than Puszu, even in EU
Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
December 18 2013 08:32 GMT
#1171
Holy shit balls Kayle teamed with AP Jax is the most insane combo I've ever seen.

I'm not sure it was even beatable with our comp (Singed, Anivia, Twitch, Blitzcrank, Master Yi). In the time that Jax is spinning and Kayle is ulted they could easily kill Anivia and Twitch. Their AD, support and jungler were all totally useless, those 2 just demolished us. Burst from Anivia not enough to one-shot either of them (and if it was Kayle would block it), and once her stuns runs out she dies.
I am the Town Medic.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
December 18 2013 09:13 GMT
#1172
Am I the only one who thinks Chaox is still a top-tier AD? He got kicked from TSM because he argues with Reginald a lot, and missing practice was the final straw. Then everyone decided Chaox was the root of all wrong on TSM for some reason. He's definitely better than most AD carries in both NA and Europe right now.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Don_Julio
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
2220 Posts
December 18 2013 09:19 GMT
#1173
On December 18 2013 18:13 TheLink wrote:
Am I the only one who thinks Chaox is still a top-tier AD? He got kicked from TSM because he argues with Reginald a lot, and missing practice was the final straw. Then everyone decided Chaox was the root of all wrong on TSM for some reason. He's definitely better than most AD carries in both NA and Europe right now.


He partied the night before an important match (was it IPL5?), arrived late and hungover. This is enough for every team in any sport to kick the player regardless of how good he is.
Yes, the cause for this was probably that he didn't get along with Regi anymore and started to not care about TSM.
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
December 18 2013 09:19 GMT
#1174
When he got booted, his champion pool was a half filled thimble. It was "MF or, uhm....profit?" even after she was nerfed, which caused comp strains. He started rarely carrying games late in S2, which I think was the result of Dyrus and Regi being the best in their lanes of NA at that time so he didn't need to.

Apparently he was constantly late to scrims, but being late to warmup at a competition and playing while hungover were pretty grievous transgressions. As much as I liked him, he wasn't really doing much for the team and TSM is stronger without him.

How good he is now is up in the air. I haven't seen him play in anything worthwhile since he got booted from TSM.
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
December 18 2013 09:28 GMT
#1175
The curious thing to me though is that everyone now equates that with Chaox sucked the whole time and should never be on another team.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 09:33:25
December 18 2013 09:29 GMT
#1176
He was originally benched, kind of "disciplinary measure" and giving WT the chance to shine.
Turns out WT shone much harder than they'd have thought, and had better chemistry with them and work ethic than Chaox, so they logically rolled with it.

As for Zyra, even when she had 20% CDR that's still only 4% per level, while leveling Q takes away 0.5s from it, which is 8.3% at worst (going from 6 to 5.5). You'll also only really start feeling the difference on E after level 5+, so not much influence on early laning (while Q's damage ramps up pretty huge) and reduced burst or cc at level 6.


And apparently Wickd realised just now that Triforce is about good on anyone provided that you get the gold, but that the problem is that you can't necessarily get the gold. For somebody who mained Irelia for so long it sure took long (I like how he argues about the weak laning phase to justify it though).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
December 18 2013 09:33 GMT
#1177
Look at Chauster's line lol. He's the oldest person in CLG

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Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 09:40:08
December 18 2013 09:39 GMT
#1178
On December 18 2013 18:19 Gahlo wrote:
When he got booted, his champion pool was a half filled thimble. It was "MF or, uhm....profit?" even after she was nerfed, which caused comp strains. He started rarely carrying games late in S2, which I think was the result of Dyrus and Regi being the best in their lanes of NA at that time so he didn't need to.

Apparently he was constantly late to scrims, but being late to warmup at a competition and playing while hungover were pretty grievous transgressions. As much as I liked him, he wasn't really doing much for the team and TSM is stronger without him.

How good he is now is up in the air. I haven't seen him play in anything worthwhile since he got booted from TSM.

He was eeh when coast tried him out. They were better to take wizfujin over him.
Glorious SEA doto
NeedsmoreCELLTECH
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Netherlands1242 Posts
December 18 2013 09:47 GMT
#1179
On December 18 2013 07:30 Gahlo wrote:
How is Sejuani worse than Amumu? lol.

Amumu has a lot of damage mitigation on his E and an instant ult.
Get huge or die mirin | Diamond on LoL
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-18 09:58:42
December 18 2013 09:58 GMT
#1180
On December 18 2013 18:47 NeedsmoreCELLTECH wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2013 07:30 Gahlo wrote:
How is Sejuani worse than Amumu? lol.

Amumu has a lot of damage mitigation on his E and an instant ult.

Sejuani gets a bunch of armor from her passive, which probably ends up being better than the flat 10 reduction on Amumu's E due to it effecting physical abilities also. For Amumu's ult to be effective, he needs to either A. Hit a skillshot or B. Flash. Sejuani just needs to press Q to charge in. Sejuani has better overall cc.
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