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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 13 2014 23:01 GMT
#4341
On January 14 2014 07:56 nosliw wrote:
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On January 14 2014 06:59 Sufficiency wrote:
You do max E first on Sejuani, at a cost of slower clear than Amumu.


I think in S3 I would have preferred Sejuani (both pre and post rrework. But with the new ancient wraith mana is no longer an issue and Amumu clears like a boss.

ppl don't get golem on amumu? Wraith makes him too squishy no?

Golem offers no mana sustain. Wraith does.
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ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
January 13 2014 23:06 GMT
#4342
The W on Jinx is insane poke. It's similar to Ez's Q IMO-- you trade a cheap, medium damage poke for one that costs a good bit, but does enough damage that two of them will force your opponent out of lane.

And then there's nothing quite like seeing the Mega Death Rocket come out of nowhere for the triple kill.
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
January 13 2014 23:34 GMT
#4343
On January 14 2014 08:06 ticklishmusic wrote:
The W on Jinx is insane poke. It's similar to Ez's Q IMO-- you trade a cheap, medium damage poke for one that costs a good bit, but does enough damage that two of them will force your opponent out of lane.

And then there's nothing quite like seeing the Mega Death Rocket come out of nowhere for the triple kill.


Poke aside, Zap is insane because it's practically as good as Enchanted Crystal Arrow at starting fights. Realistically you don't use ECA from much more than 1500 range all that often, and a 70% slow for 2 seconds is going to start a fight or burn a flash. But Zap has a 6 second cooldown...
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Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 13 2014 23:37 GMT
#4344
Yeah it is a bit squishy but he clears really well with wraith and the mana sustain helps him in case he needs to gank. It is a really good item on him.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
January 13 2014 23:42 GMT
#4345
Hm, afaik Golem hasn't been nerfed right? I never felt like I went oom terribly fast on mummy in S3/Pre-Season and needed more regen if you also had 9 in the Utility tree. You eventually need to back after spending time ganking and stuff anyway so you can top up there. Maybe it was just my experience trying to grind games though.
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chalice
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1945 Posts
January 13 2014 23:48 GMT
#4346
spectral wraith seems really good now on champs that can make use of it and going from 500 to 350hp makes golem less appealing
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35146 Posts
January 13 2014 23:54 GMT
#4347
On January 14 2014 06:45 Sufficiency wrote:
I actually think Amumu is better. His W does more damage to tanks and his R has longer duration.

At max rank on both, Sejuani W with Golem Spirit and Omen does 1 more damage to a tank with 5k health than Amumu W over it's duration. The lower(and in this case, more reasonable) the tank's health, the worse Amumu's damage is going to fall behind.

On January 14 2014 06:49 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
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On January 14 2014 06:47 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On January 14 2014 06:45 Sufficiency wrote:
I actually think Amumu is better. His W does more damage to tanks and his R has longer duration.


BUT BEARS.


it's a boar

For on moderately high payment of 1350RP...

On January 14 2014 06:49 Alzadar wrote:
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On January 14 2014 06:33 Fildun wrote:
Guys please. Why does nobody ever pick Sejuani. I mean, why the fuck would you pick Amumu when Sej is open. I just don't see it. Help.


Amumu does noticeably more damage. Sejuani has her slow and somewhat better mobility to make up for it but her slow is kind of weak until maxed and you can't afford to max it*. Plus Sejuani ult starts out at a garbage 1.25s scaling up to 1.75s while Amumu gets 2 seconds right off the bat.

*edit: actually, do some people max it? I can see some appeal to that

Incomparable ccs. Amumu's is a snare that disable autos. Sejuani's is a stun.

On January 14 2014 07:53 Scip wrote:
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On January 14 2014 06:49 Fildun wrote:
On January 14 2014 06:45 Sufficiency wrote:
I actually think Amumu is better. His W does more damage to tanks and his R has longer duration.

I actually think Sejuani is better. Her Q does more damage to tanks, her E has significant base damage burst and her R is ranged. Also none of her spells can miss and you have additional cc. Plus more earlygame presence.

They are pretty different since you'd probably build loads more dmg on Amumu while I don't think Sejuani can really afford that

She doesn't need to. She gets damage from building tanky.

Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 13 2014 23:58 GMT
#4348
Well people still call Twisted Advance and Nevermove stuns, so...
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-14 00:01:56
January 14 2014 00:01 GMT
#4349
We could just stick to facts.

Amumu's winrate in diamond is around 54.5-55% while Sejuani's is around 50-51%.

Seems clear enough to me.

On January 14 2014 08:58 Alaric wrote:
Well people still call Twisted Advance and Nevermove stuns, so...

Never heard either called a stun.
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 14 2014 00:03 GMT
#4350
Never kept in mind that personal anecdotal evidence isn't facts either.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
January 14 2014 00:12 GMT
#4351
Sejuani is quite weak early too, which affects her pick rate. If you get caught in your jungle by a remotely good duelist and your escape is down/they can follow, you will die.

Her lategame is beastly and her hanks can be brutal, especially post 6. Getting a double stun on bot lane is good stuff. I'd say she is bottom of the A tier junglers, which is unfortunately quite far off the S tiers.
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 14 2014 00:16 GMT
#4352
On January 14 2014 09:01 Shikyo wrote:
We could just stick to facts.

Amumu's winrate in diamond is around 54.5-55% while Sejuani's is around 50-51%.

Seems clear enough to me.

Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 08:58 Alaric wrote:
Well people still call Twisted Advance and Nevermove stuns, so...

Never heard either called a stun.


Yes, and more interestingly, IIRC, the win % was reversed in mid-S3. S4 changes helped Amumu a lot and not so much for Sejuani.

I still think Sejuani is pretty good, but not as good as Amumu right now.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
January 14 2014 00:33 GMT
#4353
I have been trying to Sejuani jungle recently, and I feel like I'm always out of mana. I've considered buying a flask even.

Am I doing it wrong?
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
January 14 2014 00:33 GMT
#4354
On January 14 2014 09:33 Ketara wrote:
I have been trying to Sejuani jungle recently, and I feel like I'm always out of mana. I've considered buying a flask even.

Am I doing it wrong?


She does have a lot of mana problems. If you farm too much you can't gank...

Getting Wraith helps.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
January 14 2014 00:37 GMT
#4355
On January 14 2014 09:33 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 09:33 Ketara wrote:
I have been trying to Sejuani jungle recently, and I feel like I'm always out of mana. I've considered buying a flask even.

Am I doing it wrong?


She does have a lot of mana problems. If you farm too much you can't gank...

Getting Wraith helps.

It helps her sustain in the jungle, but kills her teamfight presence because lolsquish.

You can try grabbing mana pots.
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35146 Posts
January 14 2014 00:38 GMT
#4356
On January 14 2014 09:33 Ketara wrote:
I have been trying to Sejuani jungle recently, and I feel like I'm always out of mana. I've considered buying a flask even.

Am I doing it wrong?

Don't use Q in the jungle unless you're wearing blue.
ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
January 14 2014 01:49 GMT
#4357
On January 14 2014 06:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
amumu has mr reduction which is useful


how often are you autoattacking with amumu?
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Goumindong
Profile Joined February 2013
United States3529 Posts
January 14 2014 01:53 GMT
#4358
On January 14 2014 10:49 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 06:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
amumu has mr reduction which is useful


how often are you autoattacking with amumu?

Why wouldn't you auto attack?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
January 14 2014 01:55 GMT
#4359
On January 14 2014 10:49 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2014 06:51 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
amumu has mr reduction which is useful


how often are you autoattacking with amumu?

You only need to attack once, and it's pretty automatic after landing q. Lichbane mumu in pre season 2 was one of the funniest things ever.
liftlift > tsm
YouGotNothin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States907 Posts
January 14 2014 04:04 GMT
#4360
Maybe I should be posting in T.R.O.L.L.S., but all this Sejuani and Amumu talk makes me want to play an AP Sejunai built like an AP Amumu. You could go like Spectral Wratih, Sorc Shoes, Abyssal, Frozen Heart/Spirit Visage/Sunfire (depending on situation). Maybe a Liandrys if you get fed. I know her AP ratios aren't great, but Amumu's aren't particularly stellar either and AP Amumu is a thing right?
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