EPTI also think Rango is 1.5, it's just he's so good in lane depending on if you want to penalise him for that. My own opinions ofc.
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
I also think Rango is 1.5, it's just he's so good in lane depending on if you want to penalise him for that. My own opinions ofc. | ||
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Fildun
Netherlands4122 Posts
Also is this for competitive or soloq? | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On January 13 2014 04:26 Gahlo wrote:Darius give Riven issues. Olaf was a beast and nobody played differently against him to flip/nullify the matchup. Garen is a big old jerk. Shen was a wall. She got ignored in competitive play for a long time due to a lack of innate sustain. lack of sustain? iirc it had a lot more to do with her ability to get damage on champions a glass cannon melee character can actually kill w/o flash (which is still a problem for her post lane phase) + Show Spoiler + look at Faker's game vs. KT B he was hella fed but it took Score running out in front of his team for SKT to win a team fight. also I don't play top but on paper wouldn't she still lose to olaf? (honest question) | ||
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On January 13 2014 04:38 Slusher wrote: it's nightblue so I would assume solo q And also keep in mind that he made this waiting for que pops. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
http://euw.op.gg/ | ||
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Goumindong
United States3529 Posts
On January 13 2014 04:31 Fildun wrote: At full build or 5 item Eve vs 6 item ADC you can oneshot the ADC faster than Zed. You also get a free ticket to their backline, and her ult is AoE %hp damage to everybody. I'm sorry, but I don't see this whole "no lategame presence" thing. Maybe its because I am only low plat. But i have never seen an Eve do that in Season 4. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 13 2014 04:31 Fildun wrote: At full build or 5 item Eve vs 6 item ADC you can oneshot the ADC faster than Zed. You also get a free ticket to their backline, and her ult is AoE %hp damage to everybody. I'm sorry, but I don't see this whole "no lategame presence" thing. Problem is getting to 5 items. Eve needs DFG+Voidstaff to get to that point, without their ADC getting defensive item before that. That's so much gold required by Eve, it's pretty hard to get to that point, before ADC's pick up GA/Banshee/etc. IMO her real strength is just vision requirements to deal with her well. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On January 13 2014 05:13 AsnSensation wrote: Eve is a good jungler and probably belongs to tier 1 due to the low amount of wards people usually pick up early game and lower than Plat noone really buys pinks consistently, but I wouldn't consider her firstpick/ban metarial. Gold V here and I buy pinks every game. They're so super good, especially in lower divisions. Noone checks the river brushes or other good spots. | ||
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IamPryda
United States1186 Posts
On January 12 2014 22:25 Alaric wrote: His passive grants him a shield fueled by the damage his spells do. If you combo him while his shield is full and his cd ready, you'll only damage it and he'll replenish it with his own spells. Also his ult heals him for the amount of damage it deals to you. Main stuff is: - don't stand in your minion wave, give him a choice between building shield by hitting the wave, or damaging you but building up no shield. Otherwise he damages you, pushes the wave so has minion advantage, and has a big shield. - the more you're reliant on burst, the shorter your trades should be. It's a general rule, sure, but Morde makes it worse. Once your burst is down, it's possible you won't even be able to outdamage his shield generation (his cooldowns aren't that big even early on, 'cept for W which is minor anyway). So you trade when his shield is low, get out, and try to harass him while standing aside from the wave so he can't build up a full shield again, until your rotation is ready. Alternatively if he tries to push you call your jungler and gank him since he has no escapes, no cc, and pushes naturally. Ziggs is pretty good vs morde u can clear just as good but can poke at him better. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
On January 13 2014 05:14 wei2coolman wrote: Problem is getting to 5 items. Eve needs DFG+Voidstaff to get to that point, without their ADC getting defensive item before that. That's so much gold required by Eve, it's pretty hard to get to that point, before ADC's pick up GA/Banshee/etc. IMO her real strength is just vision requirements to deal with her well. getting to late game on Eve isn't the problem. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On January 13 2014 05:47 Slusher wrote: getting to late game on Eve isn't the problem. No, but there are some difficulties to get to the item timing, BEFORE the ADC has their defensive timing, is when she's the most effective. Otherwise it's quite a bit harder to approach in a teamfight. That being said, she's annoying as fuck to play against, and if she does get that timing, she runs away with the game. | ||
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
shes s4's Shaco except with at least a modicum of team fight presence, but not on the level of the other teir 1 junglers. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On January 13 2014 05:33 Doctorbeat wrote: Gold V here and I buy pinks every game. They're so super good, especially in lower divisions. Noone checks the river brushes or other good spots. But you are TL Hipster Elite! Actually Screw my Statement SoloQ in general buys way too few pinks! | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On January 13 2014 06:05 AsnSensation wrote: But you are TL Hipster Elite! Actually Screw my Statement SoloQ in general buys way too few pinks! Watching OGN is enough to see how godly pinks are. Wards that don't expire? Means I only have to pay 100g once instead of 75g every couple of minutes? Yeah sounds good. It's so hilarious to see people here in my Gold V not attackmoving whilst going through river. They always miss or run through the river brush, with my pink in it. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35150 Posts
On January 13 2014 06:08 Doctorbeat wrote: Watching OGN is enough to see how godly pinks are. Wards that don't expire? Means I only have to pay 100g once instead of 75g every couple of minutes? Yeah sounds good. It's so hilarious to see people here in my Gold V not attackmoving whilst going through river. They always miss or run through the river brush, with my pink in it. You'd be surprised how many people don't watch OGN. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
So yeah, they are pretty good. | ||
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Doctorbeat
Netherlands13241 Posts
On January 13 2014 06:11 Gahlo wrote: You'd be surprised how many people don't watch OGN. Their loss. It's like watching Major League Soccer but not Champions League/World Cup. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 13 2014 06:13 LaNague wrote: even in OGN winter the pink wards survive for over 10 mins, even weeks after trounament play.. So yeah, they are pretty good. The thing I most enjoy about pink wards at pro level atm is that it's like a never ending mind game, you gotta always vary pink locations or else someone will just go to the spot and take it then some people just put it in the cliche places of the two river brushes and no one checks it because it's supposed to be obvious. | ||
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