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Crusnik
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5378 Posts
January 08 2014 08:58 GMT
#3621
I'm really liking Bork 1st/second on Ezreal/Lucian recently, the active is so great, might try it on Varus as well for a little extra mobility/self-peel aside from pointblank ulting someone. The only issue would be losing a ton of damage on his Q, but the trade offs might be worth it depending on what I'm facing....
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Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 09:03:13
January 08 2014 09:00 GMT
#3622
On January 08 2014 17:58 Crusnik wrote:
I'm really liking Bork 1st/second on Ezreal/Lucian recently, the active is so great, might try it on Varus as well for a little extra mobility/self-peel aside from pointblank ulting someone. The only issue would be losing a ton of damage on his Q, but the trade offs might be worth it depending on what I'm facing....

It isn't worth it anymore. After the range nerfs and his general immobility, by the time they get in range for the active, it's generally too late. Well, that and they shifted damage from E to Q, which combined with bork nerfs killed the bork/E first build.

That is, unless you're facing off against enough tanky bastards to make bork a necessary buy anyway.
Inflicted
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia18228 Posts
January 08 2014 09:01 GMT
#3623
On January 08 2014 17:58 Crusnik wrote:
I'm really liking Bork 1st/second on Ezreal/Lucian recently, the active is so great, might try it on Varus as well for a little extra mobility/self-peel aside from pointblank ulting someone. The only issue would be losing a ton of damage on his Q, but the trade offs might be worth it depending on what I'm facing....


Been doing it on Ezreal (TF/Botrk over TF/BT) after seeing it on OGN.
I think for Ezreal especially, it's superior over BT since your Q applies on-hit so you're trading some damage on your ult for crazy kite + stronger AA damage.
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Shiznick
Profile Joined December 2008
United States2200 Posts
January 08 2014 09:37 GMT
#3624
On January 08 2014 17:54 Sprouter wrote:
http://na.lolesports.com/articles/update-lemondogs-lcs-rule-changes That Alex Garfield advantage.

yep, that's pretty funny, although I can see the difference, EG bought into a promotion spot whereas LD got their spot straight up.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 11:08:36
January 08 2014 09:39 GMT
#3625
On January 08 2014 17:20 Gahlo wrote:
http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1uoqyo/4_win_ip_boost/

Free 4win IP boost on NA for confirming email address. Proving, once again, that we are the best server.

We just released email verification onto North America today. Oceania, Brasil, and Turkey have had it enabled as well. We're planning to release this onto EUW, EUNE, and Russia over the next few days. Latin America South and North should have it enabled by mid next week.

On January 08 2014 17:41 739 wrote:
Guys quick answer, how about Darius top? Which tier? Does he scales any decently into late game or just falls off after early/mid? Best, worst opponent for Darius top?

Forgot about him, but niche counterpick.

He scales well if he gets enough tank items because true damage execute, but immobility and all that.

Best phase is his laning, which can be oppressive, and is excellent gank followup for a jungler.

Matchups: no idea, I just know how he fares vs Irelia, Vlad, and Fiora.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35161 Posts
January 08 2014 09:40 GMT
#3626
On January 08 2014 18:37 Shiznick wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 17:54 Sprouter wrote:
http://na.lolesports.com/articles/update-lemondogs-lcs-rule-changes That Alex Garfield advantage.

yep, that's pretty funny, although I can see the difference, EG bought into a promotion spot whereas LD got their spot straight up.

Let's be real though. The Alliance roster is stronger than a team that would have gotten relegated anyway.
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 10:21:26
January 08 2014 10:20 GMT
#3627
Wrong thread. I fail at tab management.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
January 08 2014 10:25 GMT
#3628
On January 08 2014 12:37 cLutZ wrote:
Why talk about total damage dealt to champions? Not all damage is the same. Its like if you tracked "Time Rooting Enemy Champions" your team's Cait would probably outscore your teams, for instance, Morgana, Maokia, or Leona, but thats just people stepping on traps intentionally.

Like, a Ziggs is going to do more champ damage than a Vayne in laning phase by a lot (because Vayne will be pushing 2v1, or farming 2v2. After that Vayne will be in an empty lane farming more often than said Ziggs who will be incidentally hitting champs while waveclearing.

Vayne is more likely to be able to do damage during an actual fight though, probably.


Well one could argue that a vayne who is only pushing/farming during the laneing phase did not do as much pressure on the opposing team as a ziggs who constantly harasses his lane opponent. In the other hand pushing turrets down is the most important thing you can do. Measuring who does the most to push turrets would be hard I think... Imagine someone doing a slow push (killing only the caster minions) and leave the lane while joining the team on the other side. This guy just has taken a turret.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
January 08 2014 10:49 GMT
#3629
When I played Wukong Darius was my most hated match-up, can't even farm under tower in that one, super one-sided.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4131 Posts
January 08 2014 11:35 GMT
#3630
What about BotRK on Twitch in comparison with IE? I mean my usual build on Twitch is IE first (often I have vampire scepter before the IE, but don't do anything else with it) then I go for phantom dancer or Shiv 2nd , LW third and then I either go for defensive item or I upgrade the scepter to BT, do u think my build is not optimal for Twitch? Should I replace IE with BotRK or smth?
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
aurawashere
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada454 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 12:07:08
January 08 2014 12:07 GMT
#3631
BotRK into IE is quite common on Twitch. Botrk gives you early/mid game power and transitioning into IE lets you go into hard carry mode.
Nos-
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Canada12016 Posts
January 08 2014 13:46 GMT
#3632
I don't think bork into pd/shiv is all that great unless you have some kind of extra damage coming out of your autos from your kit (ie vayne/kog). Otherwise you lack raw attack damage. You do attack pretty fast though and that's always fun.
Bronze player stuck in platinum
The_Unseen
Profile Joined March 2011
France1923 Posts
January 08 2014 13:50 GMT
#3633
I'm finally in my Plat promo, pray for me
I got five reasons for you to shut up
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 13:53:25
January 08 2014 13:52 GMT
#3634
I've dropped from Gold IV to Gold V... :\

Last game, first pick insta locks Lux, goes mid, proceed to feed 0-6 and afk in base. Meh, I thought something changed after my 1 year absence :\
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M2
Profile Joined December 2002
Bulgaria4131 Posts
January 08 2014 14:05 GMT
#3635
On January 08 2014 22:52 739 wrote:
I've dropped from Gold IV to Gold V... :\

Last game, first pick insta locks Lux, goes mid, proceed to feed 0-6 and afk in base. Meh, I thought something changed after my 1 year absence :\

Something happened to Gold level games quality lately, I mean for the last 2 months (maybe 3). I am gold for a long time and in the past the people and the quality of games was much higher, people were nice, usually had idea how to play, even if someone do bad no one was harassing him, trying to be supportive, in pre-game chat in 3-4 lines everyone agree for their role, people were respecting pick order etc. And for the last 2-3 months Kaboom, no idea what happened, but suddenly everything changed and I feel like I am back to bronze now, people started to troll on regular basis, they argue curse during champion selection, they play awful, dont have even basic ideas how to win games, what are the priorities, they play bad and blame others, going afk, rage quits and all other bullshit. Honestly I have no idea what happened, but its like happened over night:-))
Knife kitty, night kitty, put you on a slab. Stealthy kitty, hunter kitty, stab stab stab :-)
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
January 08 2014 14:10 GMT
#3636
I guess I have a similar experience. First two games were perfectly fine, people played the roles they needed to be, there wasn't "mid or I feed/afk/troll/flame/ragequit", just everyone picked what they wanted and we played. Mistakes were made several times but no1 flamed, they just tried to give some advices or tips or point out mistakes in a kind way.

Next games were a disaster. I remember my last game where I've played Leesin jungle... man, bot was premade (and 90% games where I see "premade bot" in all chat during the champ draft I know that it's going to be a lost. Ashe fed 0-7, mid Lux fed 0-6 and went afk, game was lost. Three next games lost as well, because of trolls or some hardcore feeding and I've been demoted, kaboom.
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
January 08 2014 14:19 GMT
#3637
On January 08 2014 17:54 Sprouter wrote:
http://na.lolesports.com/articles/update-lemondogs-lcs-rule-changes That Alex Garfield advantage.

Riot does not understand what the actual problems are. Organisations will still have too much power over players because they own the LCS spots. If anything they have an even more firm grip on them now.

Scumbag managers like that Quantic guy will still be able to screw players over. Incompetent and useless orgs like LD will still stay in LCS forever unless their players actually lose. Players that are unhappy with their org will still have to either suck it up or leave LCS.
Off-season = best season
Jek
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark2771 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-01-08 14:22:55
January 08 2014 14:22 GMT
#3638
@"player quality drop":

Holidays. At least that's my experience on EUNE,

school holidays = don't play ranked.

Seems like there's a sudden influx of immature players that'll rage/troll/afk the instant they don't get the prefered pick or get just the slightest behind.
It's Elo not ELO - Every statiscian playing League
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
January 08 2014 14:24 GMT
#3639
On January 08 2014 19:25 clickrush wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 08 2014 12:37 cLutZ wrote:
Why talk about total damage dealt to champions? Not all damage is the same. Its like if you tracked "Time Rooting Enemy Champions" your team's Cait would probably outscore your teams, for instance, Morgana, Maokia, or Leona, but thats just people stepping on traps intentionally.

Like, a Ziggs is going to do more champ damage than a Vayne in laning phase by a lot (because Vayne will be pushing 2v1, or farming 2v2. After that Vayne will be in an empty lane farming more often than said Ziggs who will be incidentally hitting champs while waveclearing.

Vayne is more likely to be able to do damage during an actual fight though, probably.


Well one could argue that a vayne who is only pushing/farming during the laneing phase did not do as much pressure on the opposing team as a ziggs who constantly harasses his lane opponent. In the other hand pushing turrets down is the most important thing you can do. Measuring who does the most to push turrets would be hard I think... Imagine someone doing a slow push (killing only the caster minions) and leave the lane while joining the team on the other side. This guy just has taken a turret.


That is irrelevant to Ziggs though. Mids in general just exert the most pressure, on average, throughout a game right now.
Freeeeeeedom
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
January 08 2014 14:28 GMT
#3640
Did I miss something or why is LD now an useless org ? Is it only because the let their old rooster go ? This happens in regular sports all the time, when an underdog team / org has some success. They lose players to better paying teams and have to scout talent and rebuild. I think they did that pretty fine with Mimer and Rallez for example.

But wow coke league eu is gonna be really stacked. Cant wait for the season.
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