EPTit's just that your farmer is melee
something like annie jarvan or zyra xin
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Scip
Czech Republic11293 Posts
it's just that your farmer is melee something like annie jarvan or zyra xin | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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clickrush
Switzerland3257 Posts
zyra, sona, annie, jarman, leona, ahri, janna, lux, orianna, jax, soraka, wukong. like when i played dota (long time ago) we went for dual stun combos, there were some classic one's like crix&mirana, sven&lina or venge¢, those lanes would be drafted to shut down babysitter lanes (before tri-laneing). I'am pretty sure something like this double stun would work in lol as well. I kinda miss it. When I play leona these days I allways have to pray that my mm puts the slightest amount of pressure on the lane and ist not totally obsessed with his false views of how mms "just have to farm to win lategame" while they have zed and nasus waiting happily for him to meet them. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On January 07 2014 03:54 clickrush wrote: my point is rather that you don't need marksmen as they are not more or less carries than assassisn fighters or mages. your farmer can be ranged as well. Personally i would love to play (almost) any combination of zyra, sona, annie, jarman, leona, ahri, janna, lux, orianna, jax, soraka, wukong. like when i played dota (long time ago) we went for dual stun combos, there were some classic one's like crix&mirana, sven&lina or venge¢, those lanes would be drafted to shut down babysitter lanes (before tri-laneing). I'am pretty sure something like this double stun would work in lol as well. I kinda miss it. When I play leona these days I allways have to pray that my mm puts the slightest amount of pressure on the lane and ist not totally obsessed with his false views of how mms "just have to farm to win lategame" while they have zed and nasus waiting happily for him to meet them. You don't technically need any "class" in a team comp, but the pros in different situations always come with cons. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
On January 07 2014 03:31 clickrush wrote: But against dives they are often very strong. Especially at inhib turrets because even if you chase them away from the inhib they can get cover from nexus turrets and safely deal damage from there. Another lategame situation where mms are really strong is if you have something like a tristana and you play from behind, lose 1-2 inhibs. This champ just destroys superminion waves like no tomorrow and scales extremely well. But there again. The marksmen who are actually real carries by default (get items and carry) are only a few. Trist and kog are in there, ppl say vayne is in there but I'am not very convinced by her lategame per se. In any other damaging role like assassins/fighters/mages youll find even more examples of default lategame carry power. Mages like ryze, vlad, cassio flat out destroy most adc damage and survivability and on top of that they punch a pack of utility as well. That doesn't mean you can go into soloq and pick X champ instead of a MM and succeed but it means in theory or in arranged play you actually don't need them to carry a team. nobody is a real carry if they get 1 combo'd on a regular basis ryze vlad and cassio do a lot of damage but don't touch what AD's do on tanks. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On January 07 2014 03:34 Scip wrote: it's not necessarily non-ranged botlanes it's just that your farmer is melee something like annie jarvan or zyra xin Isn't the bigger problem having the farmer be melle? Last hitting is too predictable earlygame when you lack waveclear or AD. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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Ryuu314
United States12679 Posts
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K3Nyy
United States1961 Posts
On January 07 2014 04:33 Ryuu314 wrote: I always thought the #1 reason behind having ADC is because without them you have no reliable way to siege towers. It's for sustained damage lategame. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14220 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
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Dusty
United States3359 Posts
On January 06 2014 18:20 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Mystic Shot can't even crit why would you build Infinity Edge over Thirster ever? that is some of the worst logic.. holy shit man ezreal has a 50% AS that can have infinite upkeep with good play. Not to mention you have extra as/crit/ad to go with that IE from trinity. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On January 07 2014 05:02 cLutZ wrote: I still await the return of Singed, and wouldn't mind some Udyr. I feel bad for all those people with Spirit guard! I sometimes get the impression that trick2g ended up being the worst thing to happen to udyr, now udyr players are so hated people are scared to pick him because they'll get flamed as trick2g wannabes. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23460 Posts
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cascades
Singapore6122 Posts
If they come out on top I'll reconsider. Until then, it is cos your elo level consists of "ezreals who shoot a q and run around for 2s doing nothing". Whether yoloq can be better served by no adc is more interesting, since most adc players suck and they suck worse since s4. | ||
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Schwopzi
Netherlands954 Posts
Ofc you can snowball the game, but it's a big inherent flaw in an ad-less teamcomp. It allows the opposition to itemize heavily towards mres & hp; and stuff like zed just gets stomped by tanks. The amount of resist stacking possible in league is pretty damn big, so it's with good reason the usual teamcomp revolves around 3 controlling champs & 2 champs that can deal damage from safety, with the damage dealers being ap+ad. And since ad carrys have a tendency to farm unsafe they're coupled with a support. For solo qq it doesn't matter though, games are a combination of snowballing & throwing. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On January 07 2014 05:49 cascades wrote: Theorycraft dps of 6 item ryze/cassio/whatever u want and that of an adc. If they come out on top I'll reconsider. Until then, it is cos your elo level consists of "ezreals who shoot a q and run around for 2s doing nothing". Whether yoloq can be better served by no adc is more interesting, since most adc players suck and they suck worse since s4. Okay. Jinx. IE BT PD LW GA Zerk greaves, elixirs. 21/9/0, AD/Armor/MR/Lifesteal. 356.5 AD, 55% crit, 2.09 ASPD with minigun. 1359 DPS standing still and autoing. 100 more from red buff if you'd like to include that. Cassiopeia. Deathcap Zhonya Void DFG Abyssal Penboots. 21/9/0, Mpen/Armor/MR/AP 787.6 AP 1781 DPS with just Q and E, no W, ult or DFG active. There you go. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21248 Posts
On January 07 2014 06:39 Ketara wrote: Okay. Jinx. IE BT PD LW GA Zerk greaves, elixirs. 21/9/0, AD/Armor/MR/Lifesteal. 356.5 AD, 55% crit, 2.09 ASPD with minigun. 1359 DPS standing still and autoing. Cassiopeia. Deathcap Zhonya Void DFG Abyssal Penboots. 21/9/0, Mpen/Armor/MR/AP 787.6 AP 1781 DPS with just Q and E, no W, ult or DFG active. There you go. ketara once again shows off theorycraft that falls apart when any sort of logic is applied to it dfg on cass lol ok zero mana items have fun going through the entire first 50 minutes of the game without any mana even if you get mana items it'd mean you have to sell it to get what you have now so your build is delayed considerably in comparison jinx can actually get those items without it being totally unviable in a real game you gave jinx a purely defensive item (GA) compared to zero defense on cass who is an unmobile hero to begin with, so the wind blows too hard and you die not to mention all of jinx's aoe that can execute etc etc etc On January 07 2014 06:40 krndandaman wrote: 3 losses in a row to a demotion. idk whats up with soloqueue. one day im on a fucking tear carrying every game with like 10.0 KDA and like 5 wins in a row. the next day I lose all my fucking games in a horrible fashion. Im not playing any better or worse and its relatively the same ELO/MMR. I haven't had a close game in like 20 games? Its either stomp or be stomped. I think im playing decent but every other player on my team seems to underperform. For ex. last game our adc ez was 0/5/2 with 120 farm in a 35 minute game and I as tank elise did more damage to champions than our top riven, adc ez, and mid brand. All the games I started off winning my lane or doing well as jungle getting kills/assists/objectives for our team. I secured first dragon every single game I jungled and also secured 1 or 2 kills for each lane before 15 minute mark in each game. IDK. something must be wrong. If anyone is interested I can post a replay for someone to dissect and point out what crucial mistakes I made because I have no idea. I definitely do make misplays but those are usually when the game is pretty much over. plat 1/2 elo btw sir theres a shikyo thread for a reason | ||
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