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Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
December 31 2013 11:30 GMT
#2661
Christsakes, streaming is his job, he's an entertainer, get off your retarded high horses and accept the fact that nobody's perfect. If you don't like phantomlord, don't watch his stream, and stop shitting up tllolgd with your hurt feelings.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
nyxnyxnyx
Profile Joined April 2010
Indonesia2978 Posts
December 31 2013 11:34 GMT
#2662
what are some good bot lane combos right now?

twitch+nami? (does nami E with twitch R still result in extra procs?)
jinx+annie/leona (heard about this one, just straight up kill lane?)
corki+taric? (would max E corki work?)
graves+?
kogmaw+?

would be great if you could explain your choices, thanks a lot!
cool beans
TheHumanSensation
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada1210 Posts
December 31 2013 11:40 GMT
#2663
I've been enjoying Ashe/Leona lately. With all the bruisers / off-tanks / what-have-you running around, it's a good mix of single target lockdown if you're being dived, as well as the AoE for the hopeful big teamfight. In lane it just feels generally strong, if you win a trade you get a kill, and you pretty much can't die.
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
December 31 2013 11:41 GMT
#2664
On December 31 2013 20:40 TheHumanSensation wrote:
I've been enjoying Ashe/Leona lately. With all the bruisers / off-tanks / what-have-you running around, it's a good mix of single target lockdown if you're being dived, as well as the AoE for the hopeful big teamfight. In lane it just feels generally strong, if you win a trade you get a kill, and you pretty much can't die.


I always do bad with Ashe. Always get dived, plus I don't like picking champs that need peel
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
Eiii
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States2566 Posts
December 31 2013 11:50 GMT
#2665
On December 31 2013 20:30 Osmoses wrote:
stop shitting up tllolgd with your hurt feelings.


On December 31 2013 20:30 Osmoses wrote:
Christsakes, streaming is his job, he's an entertainer, get off your retarded high horses and accept the fact that nobody's perfect. If you don't like phantomlord.


hue
:3
Cixah
Profile Joined July 2010
United States11285 Posts
December 31 2013 11:54 GMT
#2666
I play a lot of Graves and Lucian and Ezreal when I ADC. My Duo partner always plays thresh or leona so it ends up being pretty easy.
Hug The Goat! Hug the Goat! Hug the Goat!
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
December 31 2013 11:56 GMT
#2667
On December 31 2013 20:50 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 20:30 Osmoses wrote:
stop shitting up tllolgd with your hurt feelings.


Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 20:30 Osmoses wrote:
Christsakes, streaming is his job, he's an entertainer, get off your retarded high horses and accept the fact that nobody's perfect. If you don't like phantomlord.


hue

Might as well take a dump ontop of the pile naamsaying :p
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
December 31 2013 12:57 GMT
#2668
i would have asked a trusted mod to try get in contact with riot/blizzard/valve and try to help them catch the guys without them noticing.

Might even pay more than running a few twitch ads with an extra 100k viewers.
clickrush
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Switzerland3257 Posts
December 31 2013 12:58 GMT
#2669
On December 31 2013 20:34 nyxnyxnyx wrote:
what are some good bot lane combos right now?

twitch+nami? (does nami E with twitch R still result in extra procs?)
jinx+annie/leona (heard about this one, just straight up kill lane?)
corki+taric? (would max E corki work?)
graves+?
kogmaw+?

would be great if you could explain your choices, thanks a lot!


finally someone bring this up. I'am kind of surprised we don't have a botlane combo thread in strategy or a general soloq strategy thread. Botlane combos have a pretty huge impact on the game, how it is played and the powercurve of the whole team.

It is interesting that you would pick jinx into a kill lane. I think there are 2 ways of grouping botlane combos:

1. General Playstyle groups: Burst, Poke/Kite, Push, Sustain, Lockdown.
2. Explicit Synergy Combos.

Alot of botlane champs fit into more than 1 Category, but I the interesting part is that you cannot simply say X+Y is a good botlane combo no matter what. Most people go for Burst + Lockdown when they think Synergy, sometimes Poke + Sustain but there are other potent ones, especially if you tailor them to your opponent.

The Push and Sustain kind of combos are often safe enough to deal with virtually any kill combo if you execute it properly.
For example Graves + Soraka was a lane played often some time ago and has come out of favor for a while. But I don't think there are alot of kill lanes who can flat out tank a pushed creepwave and outtrade their tankyness and damage. Soraka can be traded for sona/lulu/janna and you get similar results.

The first Lockdown combo I remember being popular was Taric + Cait. It was when the European Style Positions started out to be generally adopted and Cait was played more and more. You can have similar results with Zyra/Leona mb Annie as well. I've also seen Vayne+Thresh quite a bit at least end of season 3. Lockdown combos are interesting especially when facing Poke combos. When both sides position well and respect their opponent there will be alot of repositioning and baiting going on.

Explicit Synergy Combos often come from one champion needing a certain playstyle/kit from the other. Like Varus for example is quite strong at Poke, Burst and Lockdown, so he makes for a good kill lane partner. But he needs an initiator preferably hard CC to combo his passive properly and because his own CC is an AoE slow and a very slow moving shortranged skillshot. So Leona, Sona, Annie, Zyra etc. are good fits. A wrong aproach for Synergy would be picking Janna to help his lack of kiting/escape and to help his AD based combo with her shield, but then you end up with very awkward spellcombos and suddenly Varus who has no means of getting in/out a fight or forcing one without using ult has to initiate/start every trade on his own. Short story: Varus is a follow up kind of champion and needs an initiator.

Annie is really hot atm but she suffers greatly against strong Poke lanes, when she has to do all the work. I would pair her up with a champ who has either a form of CC him/herself like Ashe/Jinx and can do a ton of poking as well, or with a champ who has enough burst to make every enagement a potential kill and kind of scare a Poke combo from overextending.
oGsMC: Zealot defense, Stalker attack, Sentry forcefieldu forcefieldu, Marauder die die
Prog
Profile Joined December 2009
United Kingdom1470 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-31 13:08:16
December 31 2013 13:07 GMT
#2670
Varus/Janna is actually pretty good though. Varus doesn't need an initiator, he just outtrades by harassing with autos/q and Janna shield.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
December 31 2013 13:59 GMT
#2671
Caitlyn needs some serious buffs She looks so dull compared to lucian/jinx/sivir
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 31 2013 14:03 GMT
#2672
On December 31 2013 18:16 Dusty wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 18:12 Doctorbeat wrote:
I knew that Plord was a shitter ever since the v8 drama way back. All the decent people in that team went on to go pro/work at Riot, meanwhile PLord is still doing his stupid unfunny attention whoring shtick.

At the very least Riot and Twitch should both serve him lifetime bans for the damage he indirectly caused, they can do that without legal hassle. Same for Steam account etc.

Don't necessarily need to see him in prison or whatever, the guy's just fucking dumb.


If phantoml0rd for whatever reason wasn't streaming today, they would have gone to the next most popular streamer and done the same exact thing.

That being said, you're retarded. Congratulations on blaming the victim.

still have zero way of knowing if he orchestrated the entire thing.

which i see as quite likely at this point
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
December 31 2013 14:32 GMT
#2673
Well until we know, lets just assume he's guilty.

Plz don't buff cait, seeing turtle play her scares me.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
Sufficiency
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada23833 Posts
December 31 2013 15:05 GMT
#2674
On December 31 2013 20:40 TheHumanSensation wrote:
I've been enjoying Ashe/Leona lately. With all the bruisers / off-tanks / what-have-you running around, it's a good mix of single target lockdown if you're being dived, as well as the AoE for the hopeful big teamfight. In lane it just feels generally strong, if you win a trade you get a kill, and you pretty much can't die.


Ashe burst is too low though.

Try Lucian/Graves + Leona.
https://twitter.com/SufficientStats
Doctorbeat
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands13241 Posts
December 31 2013 15:09 GMT
#2675
On December 31 2013 22:59 Mensol wrote:
Caitlyn needs some serious buffs She looks so dull compared to lucian/jinx/sivir


Sivir is more boring than Cait imo.
- TEAM LIQUID - doctorbeat on LoL
nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
December 31 2013 15:17 GMT
#2676
On December 31 2013 22:59 Mensol wrote:
Caitlyn needs some serious buffs She looks so dull compared to lucian/jinx/sivir

She has the best auto animation at least.That is rather enjoyable.
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
December 31 2013 15:28 GMT
#2677
On January 01 2014 00:05 Sufficiency wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 31 2013 20:40 TheHumanSensation wrote:
I've been enjoying Ashe/Leona lately. With all the bruisers / off-tanks / what-have-you running around, it's a good mix of single target lockdown if you're being dived, as well as the AoE for the hopeful big teamfight. In lane it just feels generally strong, if you win a trade you get a kill, and you pretty much can't die.


Ashe burst is too low though.

Try Lucian/Graves + Leona.

volley hurts volley + 100% crit auto at lvl 1 is pretty derp
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
December 31 2013 15:33 GMT
#2678
On December 31 2013 22:59 Mensol wrote:
Caitlyn needs some serious buffs She looks so dull compared to lucian/jinx/sivir

Piglet makes her look super scary. She's still really good competitive play cuz her 2v1 is still really powerful.
liftlift > tsm
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
December 31 2013 15:37 GMT
#2679
i feel like caitlyn is just overshadowed in every sense by jinx.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
December 31 2013 15:45 GMT
#2680
I feel like nobody here understands what cait is picked for and what compositions she fits in.

For her to be really good in soloQ, she'd have to be batshit OP.
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