EPTEG roster speculation (EG players going to NA?) - Page 8
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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I_Love_Bacon
United States5765 Posts
On December 03 2013 05:08 Slusher wrote: I don't get why NA and Europe have to be connected for this rule. I think that's everybody's' chief complaint. We all get the possible issues of having multiple teams with the same organization in the same region. We might not all agree with it, but we understand the concern. But when it's different regions? I don't think anybody agrees with it. | ||
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orzeu
Poland5205 Posts
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On December 03 2013 06:50 orzeu wrote: Someone need to tell them that rule doesn't exist in real sports and they will change it. Who owns two teams in the NBA/NFL/NHL? (i know nothing about other sports leagues) | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 03 2013 06:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote: I think that's everybody's' chief complaint. We all get the possible issues of having multiple teams with the same organization in the same region. We might not all agree with it, but we understand the concern. But when it's different regions? I don't think anybody agrees with it. It's common practice in professional sports to disallow an owner from owning more than one team in the same association when it comes to fair play and competitiveness. That's the underlying principle of the rule. Still falls under Riot's jurisdiction and there is reason for it. *Puts up hand* You can say different regions all you want, but technically they're divisions of Riot like I just said. I wish the MLSE could ruin more NHL teams, heck Southern Ontario has the market for it but it just wouldn't be fair. Just like they hold most of the TV rights in this area as well. Biggest cock block ever to anyone who wants to bring another team to the area. I understand it. I don't like it, but in terms of competitive advantage (not talking about the TV rights) it makes sense. On December 03 2013 07:06 nojitosunrise wrote: Who owns two teams in the NBA/NFL/NHL? (i know nothing about other sports leagues) Actually sir, it does in may professional leagues. You aren't allowed to own more than one team in the same league/organization/association/etc. The LCS might have different regions, but they all fall under the same banner. Just different divisions. That's actually why Riot decided to enforce such a rule in the first place. Addressed to the Polish person ofc. | ||
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AsnSensation
Germany24009 Posts
On December 03 2013 07:06 nojitosunrise wrote: Who owns two teams in the NBA/NFL/NHL? (i know nothing about other sports leagues) well I can understand that Riot doesn't want an orga. to own 2 teams in 1 LCS League since there's only 8 slots. But not allowing one team in both EU & NA LCS seems strange. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 03 2013 07:22 AsnSensation wrote: well I can understand that Riot doesn't want an orga. to own 2 teams in 1 LCS League since there's only 8 slots. But not allowing one team in both EU & NA LCS seems strange. Think of them as different divisions and it makes sense considering they're all fighting for the same thing at the end of the day and there's your explanation. Let me frame it another way. Even if MLSE were to try and buy another team in let's say the Western Conference it still wouldn't go through because it falls under the same league and it's bad for competition. LCS EU and LCS NA is no different. It's the same league, just different conferences. The system sucks because they barely meet as is, but this is how they pieced it together. Just like the stupid WCS format. Riot took a page from all the other professional sports organizations who implement it and they have every right to. I know how much Alex likes to undermine things and you know what, I'm no different from him in that regard when it comes to a lot of things. For instance all the Mafia games I've played whether they be here or elsewhere. I'm very cutthroat and I do find holes in systems very easily. | ||
onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:06 onlywonderboy wrote: I don't see why Riot needs to try and emulate traditional sports on every level. I think the reason most of us take issue with this is because OGN has proven you can have teams from the same organization in the same league and it doesn't ruin the integrity of the game. You never really know though... There are arguments for and against it. Personally I dont care, and it is Riot's decision. Also there are MUCH bigger problems with LCS. What is unfair though is that is allowed in Korea but not NA/EU. Should be same rules for all. | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On December 03 2013 07:28 StarStruck wrote: Think of them as different divisions and it makes sense considering they're all fighting for the same thing at the end of the day and there's your explanation. Let me frame it another way. Even if MLSE were to try and buy another team in let's say the Western Conference it still wouldn't go through because it falls under the same league and it's bad for competition. LCS EU and LCS NA is no different. It's the same league, just different conferences. The system sucks because they barely meet as is, but this is how they pieced it together. Just like the stupid WCS format. Riot took a page from all the other professional sports organizations who implement it and they have every right to. I know how much Alex likes to undermine things and you know what, I'm no different from him in that regard when it comes to a lot of things. For instance all the Mafia games I've played whether they be here or elsewhere. I'm very cutthroat and I do find holes in systems very easily. Okay so far so good, but that really doesn't help the glaring double standard presented by OGN and the Korean league. If they want to restrict everything to 1 team per owner okay, I might disagree philosophically but it is their league so their rules apply. What annoys me is that Korean teams do have sister teams and all the advantadges that brings to scrim schedules, practice regimes and general team setup. There is a reason why it is fairly common to have an A and B squad within a club, LoL isn't nearly big enough for 1 pro squad to make enough money to pay 5 people to basically be their practice partners. So I still think an EU and NA squad would be the "best" setup (even if the best actually would be a bigger LCS with ~16 slots, which makes A and B squads within a region possible. | ||
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Lysteria
France2280 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:15 Redox wrote: What is unfair though is that is allowed in Korea but not NA/EU. Should be same rules for all. This is the main part bugging me thus far. | ||
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JerKy
Korea (South)3013 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:18 Tula wrote: Okay so far so good, but that really doesn't help the glaring double standard presented by OGN and the Korean league. If they want to restrict everything to 1 team per owner okay, I might disagree philosophically but it is their league so their rules apply. What annoys me is that Korean teams do have sister teams and all the advantadges that brings to scrim schedules, practice regimes and general team setup. There is a reason why it is fairly common to have an A and B squad within a club, LoL isn't nearly big enough for 1 pro squad to make enough money to pay 5 people to basically be their practice partners. So I still think an EU and NA squad would be the "best" setup (even if the best actually would be a bigger LCS with ~16 slots, which makes A and B squads within a region possible. Well aware. OGN have their own thing going yet they still have the rights to the LCS KR and there's Alex's leverage so-to-speak. The rule should technically apply to all divisions of the LCS brand. | ||
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nojitosunrise
United States6188 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:15 Redox wrote: You never really know though... There are arguments for and against it. Personally I dont care, and it is Riot's decision. Also there are MUCH bigger problems with LCS. What is unfair though is that is allowed in Korea but not NA/EU. Should be same rules for all. Korea really isn't a "league" though. It is just seasonal tournaments in which players accrue points. I haven't watched proleague in years, but has there ever been two teams with one owner? | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:32 nojitosunrise wrote: Korea really isn't a "league" though. It is just seasonal tournaments in which players accrue points. I haven't watched proleague in years, but has there ever been two teams with one owner? If we're talking about Pro League in BW then yes that has never happened. Teams back then had really big rosters split into A-Teams, B-Teamers (who you'd only really see in qualifiers for the individual leagues) and then your practice partners etc. It's not the same thing when we talk about the make-up for BW Teams. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
So if you are an amateur team and somehow manage to get a license, you have to either stop playing or get a manager that then can screw you over so freaking hard. For example, by selling your license to, lets say EG. | ||
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
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ExoFun
Netherlands2041 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:44 LaNague wrote: what i find more interesting is the rule that a player cant be the license holder. So if you are an amateur team and somehow manage to get a license, you have to either stop playing or get a manager that then can screw you over so freaking hard. For example, by selling your license to, lets say EG. You always could get a family members to be the manager for you. | ||
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Amethyst21
Canada7032 Posts
On December 03 2013 08:44 LaNague wrote: what i find more interesting is the rule that a player cant be the license holder. So if you are an amateur team and somehow manage to get a license, you have to either stop playing or get a manager that then can screw you over so freaking hard. For example, by selling your license to, lets say EG. I've seen people bitch about this, but give no alternative to the system that RIOT has. If you want the spot to be owned by the players, than how do you bench someone? How do you replace them when it is clear that they suck/stop trying/have personality conflicts with the team? If all 5 players own the spot - then their roster is locked in, until the end of time, because no one is going to vote themselves out of a team. I mean how many people in League have been screwed over by managers? Velocity? if you count this, I guess - but they had about 5% chance to beat Quantic in a series so they were going to lose their spot anyway, unfortunate that they don't get to compete for their spot but hardly seems like a vast miscarriage of justice. There was that strange move with NeegodBro, TheTess and Svenskerren being benched with NiP after only 2 weeks. That one is kind of unfortunate. Lemondogs? Okay so the team got gutted by NiP, but unless their contracts with Lemondogs ran out, NiP certainly paid Lemondogs a fee for Nukeduck, Zorozero and Mithy - and oh, those players are happily employed with NiP, in starting positions. Dexter and Tabzz are still on their roster (for now I guess) and if you want to count them as screwed over... I don't know what to say - they are all going to be playing in the LCS next split. So please tell me how many players have been screwed over by managers. It's possible I'm missing some more examples, but this hardly seems like a huge problem. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 03 2013 09:20 ExoFun wrote: You always could get a family members to be the manager for you. The return of MomshotGG | ||
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