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So this is mostly based on this reddit thread: http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1ro674/krepo_snoopeh_yellowpete_to_join_velocity_gaming/
I guess one could also discuss it there, but I dislike reddit for such purposes. And I guess there should also be enough interest in this here to warrant a seperate thread.
This was started by Atn_Olly, who is the coach of Team Alternate. So he is an insider, and one should be able to trust him.
He writes:
Krepo, Snoopeh & YellowPete to join Velocity Gaming!
They're currently talking plans on TeamSpeak!
I'd already heard this rumor a couple of times, but I suppose this confirms it. I guess that's officially the end of EG as we know it!
EG bought Velocity's LCS spot and this will probably become "Alliance" in the NA LCS (no organization can have two teams in the same LCS league)!
Edit: the team would also have Pobelter & Innox as 4th & 5th players.
Also, Dexter will probably join CLG (EG will be Shook, Wickd, Tabzz, Nyph & Froggen)
Apart from the source, there are also a few other things that make this believable. The last months there have been numerous rumours about roster changes in EG. The original "super team" with Froggen did not seem to happen anymore though with Jwaow, Freeze and Edward going to other teams (or rather staying with their old ones). Rumours about Froggen leaving EG continued to persist though. The old EG lineup also never started practising together, while other teams do in preparation for Battle of the Atlantic.
The last days, there have been scrims and ranked games with a team consisting of Froggen, Wickd, Krepo, Shook, Tabzz. In a few games Nyph replaced Krepo.
Snoopeh has indeed travelled to the US according to his Tweets, and Yellowpete is probably with him according to those. Krepo said he will probably travel to the US soon in a Belgian TV documentary.
Velocity released their old roster some time ago, and still didnt announce a new one. It looks indeed pretty strange with how few time is left to the promotion tournament, and their spot being bought doesnt seem unlikely at all.
One of the problems I have with this rumour is that I cant imagine Nyph to leave SK. He just created this new SK team. Instead I could imagine nRated joining the "Froggen team" much better.
Also if these 2 teams on the Velocity and EG spots would be created like Atn_Olly claims, I would rather think that the NA team becomes EG and the EU one becomes Alliance.
Very interesting is also that according to Olly Dexter will jon CLG. Would make sense imo. What is still a totally open question then is what happens with the LD spot. I have not heard anything about an additional team forming in EU, and I would also not know with which players.
Lastly I want to say that it is a totally retarded dick move by Atn_Olly to release insider information like this with a reddit post. If he wants attention so badly and release roster information, he should rather disclose the roster of his own team.
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Ahhh so much transferring. I just want the rosters to be solidified already!
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EU superteam incoming!!!
ohwait
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yea I was convinced superteam was a done deal. I'll wait and see this time.
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Supposing this is all true, I don't understand why this guy leaked it. As in there has to be specific circumstances for this to happen, and the idea that someone involved in the scene would randomly start leaking things without expecting certain negative consequences seems odd. I really have to wonder if this is some sort of move to build the hype for a move like this.
Then again, the LoL competitive scene hasn't really been the most professional environment at times.
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Welp, Guitarasaurus just got one helluva raise.
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zzz this is so risky, they'll move to NA and train for 1 1/2 months only to lose 1 bo3 to quantic.
Why not just invest a bit more money and buy the LD spot and get EG+Alliance in LCS EU.
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On November 29 2013 16:51 AsnSensation wrote:
zzz this is so risky, they'll move to NA and train for 1 1/2 months only to lose 1 bo3 to quantic.
Why not just invest a bit more money and buy the LD spot and get EG+Alliance in LCS EU.
(no organization can have two teams in the same LCS league)
Isn't this the reason? I was under the impression that EG and Alliance were the same parent company.
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idk. They are both owned by Alex Garfield but technically they're still 2 different organsations. But I could see why Riot wouldn't allow it since everyone knows that EG=A.
Lol Guitar getting eloboosted by yellowpete.
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Yes NA, you can have Snoopeh and Yolopete ! ^^
New EG line up looks sick. As for Nyph I don't see why he wouldnt leave, look at Bjergsen he also built a new team and then left, as long as there is big $$$ involved you can never be sure..
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On November 29 2013 11:17 Redox wrote:
Also if these 2 teams on the Velocity and EG spots would be created like Atn_Olly claims, I would rather think that the NA team becomes EG and the EU one becomes Alliance.
Lastly I want to say that it is a totally retarded dick move by Atn_Olly to release insider information like this with a reddit post. If he wants attention so badly and release roster information, he should rather disclose the roster of his own team.
Lmao, these are exactly the two thoughts that came to my mind instantly.
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On November 29 2013 16:55 Cixah wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 16:51 AsnSensation wrote:
zzz this is so risky, they'll move to NA and train for 1 1/2 months only to lose 1 bo3 to quantic.
Why not just invest a bit more money and buy the LD spot and get EG+Alliance in LCS EU. (no organization can have two teams in the same LCS league) Isn't this the reason? I was under the impression that EG and Alliance were the same parent company.
Yeah but there are loopholes with stuff like EG/alliance, LPL only allows one team per organisation so royal club, world elite and iG got around it with LMQ, Positive Energy and young glory respectively.
It's probably a branding thing, they want alliance to be EG.EU and EG to be of NA so shift EG themselves to NA and move European EG to alliance.
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Dubbel dutch @ EG.eu its looking good.
+ Show Spoiler +Ain't dutch you ain't much
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So apparently our very own guitar (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19716706#profile) was duo-queuing with Krepo (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/50289084#profile) and Snoopeh (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/35809094#profile).
This is kinda surreal. :D
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On November 29 2013 18:46 Redox wrote:
So apparently our very own guitar (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19716706#profile) was duo-queuing with Krepo (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/50289084#profile) and Snoopeh (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/35809094#profile).
This is kinda surreal. :D
Guess what... that is Yellowpete on Guitar's account.
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On November 29 2013 18:51 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 18:46 Redox wrote:
So apparently our very own guitar (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19716706#profile) was duo-queuing with Krepo (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/50289084#profile) and Snoopeh (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/35809094#profile).
This is kinda surreal. :D Guess what... that is Yellowpete on Guitar's account.
So what you're saying is that...ELO BOOSTING! >:0
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On November 29 2013 18:54 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 18:51 ExoFun wrote:On November 29 2013 18:46 Redox wrote:
So apparently our very own guitar (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19716706#profile) was duo-queuing with Krepo (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/50289084#profile) and Snoopeh (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/35809094#profile).
This is kinda surreal. :D Guess what... that is Yellowpete on Guitar's account. So what you're saying is that...ELO BOOSTING! >:0
Yea! I think we are gonna see a one year ban on Yellowpete's head from Riot Esport team.
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Yellowpete is literally Apdo!
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On November 29 2013 18:54 Lord Tolkien wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 18:51 ExoFun wrote:On November 29 2013 18:46 Redox wrote:
So apparently our very own guitar (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19716706#profile) was duo-queuing with Krepo (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/50289084#profile) and Snoopeh (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/35809094#profile).
This is kinda surreal. :D Guess what... that is Yellowpete on Guitar's account. So what you're saying is that...ELO BOOSTING! >:0
Yellowpete confirmed apdo's NA smurf
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On November 29 2013 16:51 AsnSensation wrote:
zzz this is so risky, they'll move to NA and train for 1 1/2 months only to lose 1 bo3 to quantic.
Why not just invest a bit more money and buy the LD spot and get EG+Alliance in LCS EU.
I thought the Promotion Tournament is in mid-december. Which would mean they have just 2 weeks. Seems incredibly risky indeed, given that Quantic is practising for months now and really getting good now.
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On November 29 2013 18:51 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 18:46 Redox wrote:
So apparently our very own guitar (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19716706#profile) was duo-queuing with Krepo (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/50289084#profile) and Snoopeh (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/35809094#profile).
This is kinda surreal. :D Guess what... that is Yellowpete on Guitar's account.
Yeah that makes more sense. Was already wondering why they would duo with him. :D
Gotta say, you would think they would be more secretive about this.
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On November 29 2013 19:02 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 18:51 ExoFun wrote:On November 29 2013 18:46 Redox wrote:
So apparently our very own guitar (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19716706#profile) was duo-queuing with Krepo (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/50289084#profile) and Snoopeh (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/35809094#profile).
This is kinda surreal. :D Guess what... that is Yellowpete on Guitar's account. Yeah that makes more sense. Was already wondering why they would duo with him. :D Gotta say, you would think they would be more secretive about this.
Well they're like gotta prepare for most likely quantic so they don't have time to be subtle if they don't want to accidentally remove themselves from LCS.
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On November 29 2013 18:59 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 16:51 AsnSensation wrote:
zzz this is so risky, they'll move to NA and train for 1 1/2 months only to lose 1 bo3 to quantic.
Why not just invest a bit more money and buy the LD spot and get EG+Alliance in LCS EU. I thought the Promotion Tournament is in mid-december. Which would mean they have just 2 weeks. Seems incredibly risky indeed, given that Quantic is practising for months now and really getting good now.
you are right idk why I assumed that promo tournament was mid january, but also didn't realize that it's already the end of november, time flying by again this year.
On November 29 2013 19:02 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 18:51 ExoFun wrote:On November 29 2013 18:46 Redox wrote:
So apparently our very own guitar (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19716706#profile) was duo-queuing with Krepo (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/50289084#profile) and Snoopeh (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/35809094#profile).
This is kinda surreal. :D Guess what... that is Yellowpete on Guitar's account. Yeah that makes more sense. Was already wondering why they would duo with him. :D Gotta say, you would think they would be more secretive about this.
As you've pointed out no way this would have been leaked out early if scumbag oli from atn ( who seems more and more like an attention whore) didn't tell everyone that they were on a Teamspeak server of Ves.
Only after that people put the pieces together of Snoops and Pete currently being in American, Krepo saying that he'll go there after IEM and people desperately searching for their accounts on lolking.
It really angers me that this news wasn't broken by some people's keen observations from ingame builds/runes/masteries or sth similar but just an insider (from another team whom we have no clue about their roster either). Idk what he gained from this, he's not even a journalist. Maybe he desperately wanted internet points in the form of reddit karma...
I also don't believe him when he says that he won't burn any bridges with this since especially EG has been angry with Slasher in the past for breaking their news a few weeks in advance...
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lol the post is now deleted on reddit
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On November 29 2013 22:56 Louuster wrote:
lol the post is now deleted on reddit
![[image loading]](http://puu.sh/5wLqI.png)
Some nasty EG money is involved with this post deletion.
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On November 29 2013 18:46 Redox wrote:
So apparently our very own guitar (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/19716706#profile) was duo-queuing with Krepo (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/50289084#profile) and Snoopeh (http://www.lolking.net/summoner/na/35809094#profile).
This is kinda surreal. :D
I guess that explains why guitar was suddenly up to my smurf's mmr and asking for AD, haha.
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On November 30 2013 00:42 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 22:56 Louuster wrote:
lol the post is now deleted on reddit Some nasty EG money is involved with this post deletion.
LOL that reasoning. Grasping for straws.
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On November 30 2013 00:42 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 22:56 Louuster wrote:
lol the post is now deleted on reddit Some nasty EG money is involved with this post deletion.
Cant tell if serious. In any case Olly continues to demonstrate what a douche he is. Just waiting for him to call mods "literally Hitler". And it is back up btw after the edit was removed.
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Lol I'd actually love it if EG were behind the closure of this thread
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Loco was just streaming now and said that they are more determined and more focused now that they will most likey face EG Trio in Relegations (if they make it past the qualifier) which pretty much confirms those speculations
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On November 29 2013 18:59 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 16:51 AsnSensation wrote:
zzz this is so risky, they'll move to NA and train for 1 1/2 months only to lose 1 bo3 to quantic.
Why not just invest a bit more money and buy the LD spot and get EG+Alliance in LCS EU. I thought the Promotion Tournament is in mid-december. Which would mean they have just 2 weeks. Seems incredibly risky indeed, given that Quantic is practising for months now and really getting good now.
Super risky, and if it pays off, there may be an influx of teams into the NA scene that are trying to take that dirt esports money=P
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Btw Krepo just got challenger on NA lol.
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well if he xfered dosen't he start d1?
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How is Pobelter going to play, I thought he didn't have the time?
Has this been planned since he was on Curse for those 48 hours?
The plot thickens!
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On November 30 2013 00:42 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On November 29 2013 22:56 Louuster wrote:
lol the post is now deleted on reddit Some nasty EG money is involved with this post deletion.
TIL EG pays our salary.....
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I guess thats why they are known as the diabolical intellectuals.
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I don't think it's a risky move.
Yellowpete, Krepo and Snoopeh are getting kicked from European EG anyways, so they might as well try to get into NA LCS.
If they could get LD's spot in the LCS they probably would have, so I'm guessing they couldn't.
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man I just wanna see pobelter the god tear up LCS, half of EG shouldn't even be pro anymore. I also hope Froggen can find a team he doesn't have to 1v9 with. Sad to have see him miss worlds.
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I'm definitely bandwagonning on the super team that eventually solidifies.
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Well I still like the EG guys and I somewhat would like to see them in NA LCS, however if they make it... I guess EG's NA team will truly become a retirement home for popular players like their SC2 squad is so infamous for (except some obviously, like the dong).
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Am I the only person who thinks it is really wrong that EG can just purchase the LCS promos spot off guitar? Don't blame guitar in this, all of us would have taken the money (Though I do think he has to take some blame for Velocitys terrible performance last split and obvious infighting, you're the manager, sort that shit out or don't manage them).
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I will have a good laugh when they won't qualify into the lcs. They basically took the 3 worse players on the team and they expect to do well ? Their only chance is to have the 2 filler na players carry them.
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I kind of want them to fail now, im terrible 
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On November 30 2013 19:08 schmutttt wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks it is really wrong that EG can just purchase the LCS promos spot off guitar? Don't blame guitar in this, all of us would have taken the money (Though I do think he has to take some blame for Velocitys terrible performance last split and obvious infighting, you're the manager, sort that shit out or don't manage them).
Nope I said this is very wrong since the beginning of LCS. Basically any team qualifying for LCS is forced to give their spot to a manger, who can then sell it at will to anyone offering enough money. The players of Velocity who were the ones that actually earned that spot get none of the money. It is fundamentally unjust.
And there could be much worse cases with players that are actually good that lose their spot because someone buys it. I am actually wondering if some of the crazy roster changes we see in EU are the consequence of the Lemondogs spot having been bought. You still have to wonder what Ocelote is up to these days...
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On November 30 2013 21:45 RouaF wrote:
I will have a good laugh when they won't qualify into the lcs. They basically took the 3 worse players on the team and they expect to do well ? Their only chance is to have the 2 filler na players carry them.
That sounds like hating. There is no way that Innox and Pobelter are better than the 3 EG guys, especially with their much bigger experience. They were able to do well in EU LCS, so why should they not be able to compete in NA LCS? The problem for them will be the first hurdle, which is Quantic. Might actually be a 50/50 thing.
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yeah even with all the (blind) hate we sometimes have for the EG guys, they still finished 3rd/4th for 2 seasons of LCS eu back to back . They are more than good enough to play in NA LCS, actually it's innox and pobelter that have to prove themselves first. Still though, Quantic is getting really scary and Neo EG probably hasn't even played together yet.
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On December 01 2013 00:07 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On November 30 2013 19:08 schmutttt wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks it is really wrong that EG can just purchase the LCS promos spot off guitar? Don't blame guitar in this, all of us would have taken the money (Though I do think he has to take some blame for Velocitys terrible performance last split and obvious infighting, you're the manager, sort that shit out or don't manage them). Nope I said this is very wrong since the beginning of LCS. Basically any team qualifying for LCS is forced to give their spot to a manger, who can then sell it at will to anyone offering enough money. The players of Velocity who were the ones that actually earned that spot get none of the money. It is fundamentally unjust. And there could be much worse cases with players that are actually good that lose their spot because someone buys it. I am actually wondering if some of the crazy roster changes we see in EU are the consequence of the Lemondogs spot having been bought. You still have to wonder what Ocelote is up to these days...
It's pretty fucked up honestly. Guess Riot just doesn't give a shit?
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On November 30 2013 21:45 RouaF wrote:
I will have a good laugh when they won't qualify into the lcs. They basically took the 3 worse players on the team and they expect to do well ? Their only chance is to have the 2 filler na players carry them.
Hmm I agree that Snoopeh is really bad but the EG botlane is pretty solid imo. In EG YP was always in 3th position concerning farm, maybe if he doesn't get deprived of farm by a Froggen or a Wickd he could carry games.
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On December 01 2013 00:43 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 00:07 Redox wrote:On November 30 2013 19:08 schmutttt wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks it is really wrong that EG can just purchase the LCS promos spot off guitar? Don't blame guitar in this, all of us would have taken the money (Though I do think he has to take some blame for Velocitys terrible performance last split and obvious infighting, you're the manager, sort that shit out or don't manage them). Nope I said this is very wrong since the beginning of LCS. Basically any team qualifying for LCS is forced to give their spot to a manger, who can then sell it at will to anyone offering enough money. The players of Velocity who were the ones that actually earned that spot get none of the money. It is fundamentally unjust. And there could be much worse cases with players that are actually good that lose their spot because someone buys it. I am actually wondering if some of the crazy roster changes we see in EU are the consequence of the Lemondogs spot having been bought. You still have to wonder what Ocelote is up to these days... It's pretty fucked up honestly. Guess Riot just doesn't give a shit?
It's pretty normal honestly and a necessary part in the transition from Amateur stuff to a real sport. Someone has to "hold" the license/team name. Obviously that someone could be a player, but it is far more common to have that someone be a club/organization etc.
No one minds when Curse more or less throws out their entire roster in the pre-season, so why should we mind if a struggling team decides to sell to a bigger organization? Similar stuff has happened in almost every sport.
The players in Velocity got the money from Summer split (and whatever guitar paid them on top), frankly it was 100% certain that they would have to change quite a bit to have a chance in the promotion tournament. Playing under a new organization with a new roster isn't any different than if they had thrown out 3 players and gotten 3 new people for those slots.
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The curse/velocity situation I'm not too concerned about, it's more the LD ones. A team that finished top 3 and go to worlds yet still get their slot potentially bought with their team getting pillaged by everyone. Don't really see how that kind of thing is good for the game.
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On December 01 2013 01:10 Numy wrote:
The curse/velocity situation I'm not too concerned about, it's more the LD ones. A team that finished top 3 and go to worlds yet still get their slot potentially bought with their team getting pillaged by everyone. Don't really see how that kind of thing is good for the game.
When it doesnt work anymore it doesn't .. then its better te rebuild. And most of it did it with NiP. Change is good for scene to grow.
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On December 01 2013 00:50 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 00:43 Numy wrote:On December 01 2013 00:07 Redox wrote:On November 30 2013 19:08 schmutttt wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks it is really wrong that EG can just purchase the LCS promos spot off guitar? Don't blame guitar in this, all of us would have taken the money (Though I do think he has to take some blame for Velocitys terrible performance last split and obvious infighting, you're the manager, sort that shit out or don't manage them). Nope I said this is very wrong since the beginning of LCS. Basically any team qualifying for LCS is forced to give their spot to a manger, who can then sell it at will to anyone offering enough money. The players of Velocity who were the ones that actually earned that spot get none of the money. It is fundamentally unjust. And there could be much worse cases with players that are actually good that lose their spot because someone buys it. I am actually wondering if some of the crazy roster changes we see in EU are the consequence of the Lemondogs spot having been bought. You still have to wonder what Ocelote is up to these days... It's pretty fucked up honestly. Guess Riot just doesn't give a shit? It's pretty normal honestly and a necessary part in the transition from Amateur stuff to a real sport. Someone has to "hold" the license/team name. Obviously that someone could be a player, but it is far more common to have that someone be a club/organization etc.
It is not exactly the same as in pro sports like football etc though. For it to be the same in football there would have to be 11 random guys forming a team, qualifying for the Premier League and then having to give that spot to a football club.
I really think the players should hold the spot, given that they can aquire it without having an organisation prior. And even if they have one, these orgs often dont do much more than covering some travel costs or whatever in the amateur scene. It can not be likened to football clubs or whatever that invest hugely into their teams and actually share a big part of the responsibility for the success in the competition.
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On December 01 2013 01:27 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 01:10 Numy wrote:
The curse/velocity situation I'm not too concerned about, it's more the LD ones. A team that finished top 3 and go to worlds yet still get their slot potentially bought with their team getting pillaged by everyone. Don't really see how that kind of thing is good for the game. When it doesnt work anymore it doesn't .. then its better te rebuild. And most of it did it with NiP. Change is good for scene to grow.
You could also rebuild and change stuff if the players held the spot. If the majority of players decide the team has to be changed then it would happen. Problem is with the rules how they are teams could even be changed if they do work, against the wishes of the players. It is simply a question of money. Yeah it is less likely to happen when the team is succesful, but theoretically still possible.
And one last thing before I stop this off-topic stuff. Historically Esports managers have often proven to be incompetent or assholes or both. I would not trust them one bit if I was a player.
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If the Velocity players wanted to stay together, couldn't they contest what went down? Similar to the CW issue from the EU scene where the 5 players held on to their spot rather than Copenhagen wolves keeping it
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On December 01 2013 01:48 ketchup wrote:
If the Velocity players wanted to stay together, couldn't they contest what went down? Similar to the CW issue from the EU scene where the 5 players held on to their spot rather than Copenhagen wolves keeping it
CW sold it to NiP and no the organisations owns the spot, and since VES is considered amateur team at the moment and not LCS team I'm not sure if the rule of at least 3 players have to remain on the roster whether as players or sub, applies to them like it did for CW/NIP (they kept one of thetess, svenskeren, godbro as subs afaik not sure which one.)
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On December 01 2013 01:54 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 01:48 ketchup wrote:
If the Velocity players wanted to stay together, couldn't they contest what went down? Similar to the CW issue from the EU scene where the 5 players held on to their spot rather than Copenhagen wolves keeping it CW sold it to NiP and no the organisations owns the spot, and since VES is considered amateur team at the moment and not LCS team I'm not sure if the rule of at least 3 players have to remain on the roster whether as players or sub, applies to them like it did for CW/NIP (they kept one of thetess, svenskeren, godbro as subs afaik not sure which one.)
CW lost their "spot" to their players because there were broken promises. And the players transferred to NiP because better future prospect because NiP is a much bigger name than CW.
And because the "CW" consisted as a team bond instead of organisation they needed to keep the 3 people on the roster.
In Velocity case it's different. The organisation controls the spot and they can do everything with it without the teammembers have anyhting to see say within it.
And the current LD deal is that the players didnt had the same vision about praccing and i think there was a an unworkable situation (tabzz pretty complained there was a clash at WC/ or after). And the mithy/nuke/zorozero wanted a org with the same vision and a bigger name and that what they found in NiP Freeze/hyrqbot.
And with the EG deal.. you saw it coming from a mile away. So many "superteam" calls and there was only one team that could have done that. + Ocelote with his new team is luckey or has invested lots of money to get the LD spot.
But we will find out soon enough.
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On December 01 2013 01:28 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 00:50 Tula wrote:On December 01 2013 00:43 Numy wrote:On December 01 2013 00:07 Redox wrote:On November 30 2013 19:08 schmutttt wrote:
Am I the only person who thinks it is really wrong that EG can just purchase the LCS promos spot off guitar? Don't blame guitar in this, all of us would have taken the money (Though I do think he has to take some blame for Velocitys terrible performance last split and obvious infighting, you're the manager, sort that shit out or don't manage them). Nope I said this is very wrong since the beginning of LCS. Basically any team qualifying for LCS is forced to give their spot to a manger, who can then sell it at will to anyone offering enough money. The players of Velocity who were the ones that actually earned that spot get none of the money. It is fundamentally unjust. And there could be much worse cases with players that are actually good that lose their spot because someone buys it. I am actually wondering if some of the crazy roster changes we see in EU are the consequence of the Lemondogs spot having been bought. You still have to wonder what Ocelote is up to these days... It's pretty fucked up honestly. Guess Riot just doesn't give a shit? It's pretty normal honestly and a necessary part in the transition from Amateur stuff to a real sport. Someone has to "hold" the license/team name. Obviously that someone could be a player, but it is far more common to have that someone be a club/organization etc. It is not exactly the same as in pro sports like football etc though. For it to be the same in football there would have to be 11 random guys forming a team, qualifying for the Premier League and then having to give that spot to a football club. I really think the players should hold the spot, given that they can aquire it without having an organisation prior. And even if they have one, these orgs often dont do much more than covering some travel costs or whatever in the amateur scene. It can not be likened to football clubs or whatever that invest hugely into their teams and actually share a big part of the responsibility for the success in the competition.
No it isn't the same yet, but it is a step in a more buisness-like direction. The players might be able to aquire the spot (frankly the way the qualifiers are looking currently I have my doubts if we will ever see a true ranked 5 ladder team again) but they do not have the organization or knowledge to actually run a proper team for an entire season.
Remember back to the last year, how many teams/organizations had problems with teamhouses, broken promises, outstanding debts etc. I'm not going to throw stones here, but it was pretty clear that there was a big difference in how the teams were ran. Frankly even the "big" teams aren't close enough to a real sports team yet, but we are moving in that direction.
It's pretty much accepted that a team should have at least 1 coach and 1 analyst working in the background (some Korean team said they actually have 5 people paid fulltime either as coaches or analysts), who is going to pay for that if the "license" so to speak belongs to the players?
Riot wants LCS to become a proper league, for that to work you basically need proper teams, or we will never get anywhere.
On a completely unrelated note, I'm still laughing about people calling YP, snoopeh and Krepo bad, frankly none of us here has any idea how they would stack up individually. They came 4th in Europe after loosing to Fnatic and Gambit. Considering where those two ended up at the Championship I don't think they need to be ashamed of that.
Snoopeh slumped hard (or at least didn't play up to his S2 level) in S3, but esp. in the month leading up to the playoffs he did a very good job.
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We will see. My personal opinion is that on an individual level, krepo, yellowpete and snoopeh are very weak for "progamers". But maybe you're right and their experience/teamplay will let them do well, also NA lcs is clearly weaker than EU lcs.
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Europe is always so hard to tell. I think their strenghts seem to be midlaners + pure magnificent teamplay. At least that's how I kind of explained the discrepancy between their allstars performance and worlds performance to myself.
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Wait, what's the thing with LD and Ocelote?
Ocelote founded a new squad after SK fired him, bought LD's spot in the EU LCS, then LD's ex-players got poached by various other teams? That's the gist I seem to get from the posts here.
And apparently we still have no idea what's up with Alternate, except that FLord seems to be retiring...
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On December 01 2013 05:55 Alaric wrote:
Wait, what's the thing with LD and Ocelote?
Ocelote founded a new squad after SK fired him, bought LD's spot in the EU LCS, then LD's ex-players got poached by various other teams? That's the gist I seem to get from the posts here.
And apparently we still have no idea what's up with Alternate, except that FLord seems to be retiring...
The most obv is that FLord will retire and that kerp is going mid and kev1n is going top.
The first try was to get incarnation in mid, but he wasnt unbanned after some tryharding on reddit and special website (http://www.incarnation-status.com/)
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On December 01 2013 05:33 RouaF wrote:
We will see. My personal opinion is that on an individual level, krepo, yellowpete and snoopeh are very weak for "progamers". But maybe you're right and their experience/teamplay will let them do well, also NA lcs is clearly weaker than EU lcs.
There's the question of whether or not they can actually MAKE NA LCS in the first place.
Since they're buying VES's spot, they're probably 95-99% going to face Quantic, now that CoL has been gutted by roster changes recently. Neither Coast nor Crs will pick Quantic with the other major threat out, so the question is: can an EG roster with krepo/yellowpete/Snoopeh beat Quantic? Almost certainly not, after the past few weeks of improvement for Quantic, and with such a late roster formation to boot.
If not, they're in Amateurs until Summer.
And skill-wise, they don't rank as highly. The NA Jungler talent pool is shallow, but not so for support/ADC. Yellowpete ranges from average to mediocre compared to the major NA ADCs in both LCS/amateurs (wildturtle, liftlift, robertoxlee, even otter, honestly. I'd probably place him in Sneaky-tier, or slightly higher), and Krepo doesn't stand out in particular. Snoopeh may compare better, but how much better remains to be seen. It's not like they're bringing a (major) EU mid laner to a roster (see Bjergson), which tends to be the heart of EU play.
Not convinced at all.
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Honestly I'm not convinced either but are quantic actually good ? Because the few games I saw their play clearly wasn't lcs level.
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On December 01 2013 07:53 RouaF wrote:
Honestly I'm not convinced either but are quantic actually good ? Because the few games I saw their play clearly wasn't lcs level.
A few weeks ago I'd give the EG roster decent 50/50 odds, but Quantic has definitely improved as of late. They're at least NA LCS quality with the baron throws. :p
But no srs they're prob the best amateur team except for MAYBE crs academy now. CoL still needs to recover from losing pr0lly and Laute, and that's not guaranteed. They're no longer near indisputably top of the amateurs, Quantic's in that position now.
I suppose Lyon has a shot, and they're also pretty decently strong.
EDIT: Right as I reluctantly defend KR overlords, they throw 2 kills and a dragon with that super early attempt. Hue.
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Except now Quantic might get upset by LoLPro due to internet issues, so... maybe a breath of hope for the LCS teams?
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On December 01 2013 08:54 BrownBear wrote:
Except now Quantic might get upset by LoLPro due to internet issues, so... maybe a breath of hope for the LCS teams?
Mostly EG/VES replacement. Though they'll have to face one of the other challenger teams (LoLPro is...for lack of a better word, pretty weak compared to the real powerhouses like CoL/Crs Academy, and yes Quantic).
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I thought crs academy was hella overrated before I read this page.
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On December 01 2013 09:39 Slusher wrote:
I thought crs academy was hella overrated before I read this page.
They are to a degree, but they're still probably 3rd or so in the Amateur scene (behind Quantic, not sure if they're still behind CoL after the lineup shakeups).
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Krepo, YP, Snoopeh, Pobelter, Innox were scrimming together yesterday. Saw that when looking them up on Lolnexus.
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am I the only one who feels that the majority of EG players are washed up kids who became complacent and still are living in their days of CLG.EU?
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generally when you start a post on the internet with "am I the only one", the answer is no.
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On December 01 2013 20:16 Redox wrote:
Krepo, YP, Snoopeh, Pobelter, Innox were scrimming together yesterday. Saw that when looking them up on Lolnexus.
Yeah well the fact that they asked to remove the Reddit thread pretty much confirmed the rumor anyway
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On December 01 2013 21:46 GozoShioda wrote:
am I the only one who feels that the majority of EG players are washed up kids who became complacent and still are living in their days of CLG.EU?
Thats what they pretty much are right now . I really think outside of Froggen and Wickd(to some degree) , EG guys are done . When I watch Snoopeh play I can see he is not a top jungler anymore , he was the worst jungler in EU LCS in 2013. Only reason he was good in S2 was because the jungle meta was so easy and so broken that anyone could play it .Krepo and Pete peaked during OGN Summer 2012 but ever since , they have been on steady decline (Pete kinda improved by the end of Summer split but not enough to be considered top tier).
I dont have much faith in that team making LCS , I think if Quantic gets pass their opponents in relegations , they will be left for VES/EG/ALLIANCE and Quanitc will beat them since pretty much every player on Quantic is better then the opposite player(Maybe Pob is near same level as Suno).Those are my toughts on the whole situation . I like them as personalities but their prime time is over , no way they can compete on top level anymore .That Trio might just drag Pobelter and other guy down .
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On December 01 2013 21:46 GozoShioda wrote:
am I the only one who feels that the majority of EG players are washed up kids who became complacent and still are living in their days of CLG.EU?
Doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things actually. They still have gigantic loyal fanbases. However, if they do not qualify for LCS, It is quite possible their fandom will take a significant hit.
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On December 02 2013 00:36 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On December 01 2013 21:46 GozoShioda wrote:
am I the only one who feels that the majority of EG players are washed up kids who became complacent and still are living in their days of CLG.EU? Doesn't really matter in the grand scheme of things actually. They still have gigantic loyal fanbases. However, if they do not qualify for LCS, It is quite possible their fandom will take a significant hit.
It already did take a hit , as you have seen in the poll for IEM Cologne , EG was not even close to Fnatic and Gambit who are way popular now because of the results. Fans are mostly bandwagoners and cheer for whoever does well and even tho they have loyal fans , those numbers are getting smaller.They used to pull crazy numbers(20+k) while streaming but now only Froggen gets pass 10k sometimes.While Peke gets 20k+ everytime and Cyanide is getting more popular alongside Rekkles and sOAZ.
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I agree mostly, but I found it noteworthy that Froggen is streaming to 27k right now, with Cyanide and xPeke having 8k and 10k 
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On a related note, am I the only one who thinks EG are being idiotic with their secrecy around this? Considering they are supposed to play the battle of the atlantic soon they should have fixed a roster and started practicing by now (referring to the EUW team).
Obviously it is only a showmatch, but I dont see the profit in keeping silent for so long.
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On December 02 2013 01:30 UmberBane wrote:I agree mostly, but I found it noteworthy that Froggen is streaming to 27k right now, with Cyanide and xPeke having 8k and 10k
Froggen is the outlier, his popularity transcends the rest of his team. Froggen > xPeke but Fnatic >EG
Edit: Also xPeke is up to almost 17k now.
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God damnit, Froggen is dropping heavily in viewers as xPeke rises. Guess I was wrong!
On December 02 2013 01:39 Tula wrote:
On a related note, am I the only one who thinks EG are being idiotic with their secrecy around this? Considering they are supposed to play the battle of the atlantic soon they should have fixed a roster and started practicing by now (referring to the EUW team).
Obviously it is only a showmatch, but I dont see the profit in keeping silent for so long.
EG just can't get out of their e-lluminati role.
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On December 02 2013 01:55 UmberBane wrote:God damnit, Froggen is dropping heavily in viewers as xPeke rises. Guess I was wrong! Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 01:39 Tula wrote:
On a related note, am I the only one who thinks EG are being idiotic with their secrecy around this? Considering they are supposed to play the battle of the atlantic soon they should have fixed a roster and started practicing by now (referring to the EUW team).
Obviously it is only a showmatch, but I dont see the profit in keeping silent for so long. EG just can't get out of their e-lluminati role.
LOL now it's 26k for xPeke and 15k for Froggen. Damn, I underestimated the cult of xPeke.
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On December 02 2013 02:07 onlywonderboy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 01:55 UmberBane wrote:God damnit, Froggen is dropping heavily in viewers as xPeke rises. Guess I was wrong! On December 02 2013 01:39 Tula wrote:
On a related note, am I the only one who thinks EG are being idiotic with their secrecy around this? Considering they are supposed to play the battle of the atlantic soon they should have fixed a roster and started practicing by now (referring to the EUW team).
Obviously it is only a showmatch, but I dont see the profit in keeping silent for so long. EG just can't get out of their e-lluminati role. LOL now it's 26k for xPeke and 15k for Froggen. Damn, I underestimated the cult of xPeke.
He deserves it , he is great player , great personality and also very likeable . People mostly care about winners and since xPeke is now on winning team again he is getting more viewers
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On December 02 2013 02:34 Amarant1995 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 02:07 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 02 2013 01:55 UmberBane wrote:God damnit, Froggen is dropping heavily in viewers as xPeke rises. Guess I was wrong! On December 02 2013 01:39 Tula wrote:
On a related note, am I the only one who thinks EG are being idiotic with their secrecy around this? Considering they are supposed to play the battle of the atlantic soon they should have fixed a roster and started practicing by now (referring to the EUW team).
Obviously it is only a showmatch, but I dont see the profit in keeping silent for so long. EG just can't get out of their e-lluminati role. LOL now it's 26k for xPeke and 15k for Froggen. Damn, I underestimated the cult of xPeke. He deserves it , he is great player , great personality and also very likeable . People mostly care about winners and since xPeke is now on winning team again he is getting more viewers
Why do TSM players get 20-30k viewers everytime they stream then ? ( )
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On December 02 2013 02:37 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 02:34 Amarant1995 wrote:On December 02 2013 02:07 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 02 2013 01:55 UmberBane wrote:God damnit, Froggen is dropping heavily in viewers as xPeke rises. Guess I was wrong! On December 02 2013 01:39 Tula wrote:
On a related note, am I the only one who thinks EG are being idiotic with their secrecy around this? Considering they are supposed to play the battle of the atlantic soon they should have fixed a roster and started practicing by now (referring to the EUW team).
Obviously it is only a showmatch, but I dont see the profit in keeping silent for so long. EG just can't get out of their e-lluminati role. LOL now it's 26k for xPeke and 15k for Froggen. Damn, I underestimated the cult of xPeke. He deserves it , he is great player , great personality and also very likeable . People mostly care about winners and since xPeke is now on winning team again he is getting more viewers Why do TSM players get 20-30k viewers everytime they stream then ? ( )
How easy is it to chant fnatic, now how easy is it to chant TSM?
Question answered. If soaz makes a big play what do you spam in twitch chat? You can't man, now if dyrus does it just bang out T + S + M 20 times.
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I suppose it's more about regional strenght then ^^
So since TSM have had the most consistent success in the NA LCS so far (1st and 2nd), they remain popular, or something like that?
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On December 02 2013 02:37 Lylat wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 02:34 Amarant1995 wrote:On December 02 2013 02:07 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 02 2013 01:55 UmberBane wrote:God damnit, Froggen is dropping heavily in viewers as xPeke rises. Guess I was wrong! On December 02 2013 01:39 Tula wrote:
On a related note, am I the only one who thinks EG are being idiotic with their secrecy around this? Considering they are supposed to play the battle of the atlantic soon they should have fixed a roster and started practicing by now (referring to the EUW team).
Obviously it is only a showmatch, but I dont see the profit in keeping silent for so long. EG just can't get out of their e-lluminati role. LOL now it's 26k for xPeke and 15k for Froggen. Damn, I underestimated the cult of xPeke. He deserves it , he is great player , great personality and also very likeable . People mostly care about winners and since xPeke is now on winning team again he is getting more viewers Why do TSM players get 20-30k viewers everytime they stream then ? ( )
History and personality , only reason why I and probably thousands of others were/are fans of TSM is because of their VLOGS they did in the past and random videos of throwing boxes , going to mall yelling baylife , Dyrus burning the house down etc. That is probably why people still watch them
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They just built up a huge following during Season 2 when they were dominating the NA scene. Despite the rise of C9 and Vulcun, TSM's fan base has remained fairly loyal. For a lot of fans TSM was their first favorite team.
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Their following was huge before they dominated NA scene , they were equal with CLG at the time and when CLG left for Korea and TSM started winning , TSM took the "monopoly" lol
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On December 02 2013 02:47 Amarant1995 wrote:
Their following was huge before they dominated NA scene , they were equal with CLG at the time and when CLG left for Korea and TSM started winning , TSM took the "monopoly" lol
Pretty much, the same happened in China. World Elite pretty much monopolised China harder than TSM did and they're pretty much untouchable now (Though OMG are making decent traction on the WE fanbase).
Same with blaze/frost in Korea and TPA in Taiwan. First top team pretty much gets it all until they do something like CLG does.
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On December 02 2013 02:46 onlywonderboy wrote:
They just built up a huge following during Season 2 when they were dominating the NA scene. Despite the rise of C9 and Vulcun, TSM's fan base has remained fairly loyal. For a lot of fans TSM was their first favorite team.
Yup I think it's quite important that they had good results in NA in S3 aswell, with 1st place and 2nd place without a doubt being the most consistent team exposure wise. They were just consistently able to remain their fanbase in bad phases, and to heavily boost it in good phases. Which I guess would be first half of S2 and first half of S3 as good phases, and the other half of each season as worse phases.
If you think about CLG for example, they are nowhere near as popular as they used to be - only Doublelift managed to remain as popular, because he also is still seen as a strong player.
What is funny is that in S2 the popular cliche was that TSM's fanbase are all bandwagoners and will be gone the minute they start losing. For some reason they were the team most notorious for bandwagoning fans, when they turned out to actually have a very loyal following (sometimes painfully loyal ) later on.
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On December 02 2013 02:50 UmberBane wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 02:46 onlywonderboy wrote:
They just built up a huge following during Season 2 when they were dominating the NA scene. Despite the rise of C9 and Vulcun, TSM's fan base has remained fairly loyal. For a lot of fans TSM was their first favorite team. Yup I think it's quite important that they had good results in NA in S3 aswell, with 1st place and 2nd place without a doubt being the most consistent team exposure wise. They were just consistently able to remain their fanbase in bad phases, and to heavily boost it in good phases. Which I guess would be first half of S2 and first half of S3 as good phases, and the other half of each season as worse phases. If you think about CLG for example, they are nowhere near as popular as they used to be - only Doublelift managed to remain as popular, because he also is still seen as a strong player. What is funny is that in S2 the popular cliche was that TSM's fanbase are all bandwagoners and will be gone the minute they start losing. For some reason they were the team most notorious for bandwagoning fans, when they turned out to actually have a very loyal following (sometimes painfully loyal )
The roster of TSM is also very stable, CLG fans often latched onto dlift because he's also the only one around most of the time. Jiji went out of the role that made him a big name and is now benched, hotshotGG has quit playing, saint/elementz/vooby are on curse now and chauster has now retired. Link and nien have some respect but haven't put themselves out for the brand like wildturtle and dyrus have.
Also being on own3d and azubu didn't do them any favours.
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Another factor to consider is how stable their roster has been and when they do make changes they are usually for the best.
Rainmain -> Dyrus: Upgrade
Chaox -> Turtle: Upgrade
Regi -> Bjergsen: Upgrade
These changes don't happen very often either, so it gives fans a chance to get to know the new players and accept them as a part of TSM before the team loses their identity.
Edit: Shen'd lol
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On December 02 2013 02:57 onlywonderboy wrote:
Another factor to consider is how stable their roster has been and when they do make changes they are usually for the best.
Rainmain -> Dyrus: Upgrade
Chaox -> Turtle: Upgrade
Regi -> Bjergsen: Upgrade
These changes don't happen very often either, so it gives fans a chance to get to know the new players and accept them as a part of TSM before the team loses their identity.
Edit: Shen'd lol
As much as I might agree that Bjergsen could be an upgrade, let's wait until he actually does something with TSM 
I thought Edward would be a major upgrade for Curse, but instead they massively underperformed in Summer, maybe the same will happen to TSM.
Fans are sometimes unpredictable, for example I have no idea why some of the streamers become popular. Destiny for example in SC2 was always a complete mystery to me. He didn't play exceptionally, he didn't interact with his viewerbase in any special way but he had 5k viewers while TLO had 1k...
SivHD is a perfect example in LoL, for some reason people watch him in droves...
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On December 02 2013 03:50 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 02:57 onlywonderboy wrote:
Another factor to consider is how stable their roster has been and when they do make changes they are usually for the best.
Rainmain -> Dyrus: Upgrade
Chaox -> Turtle: Upgrade
Regi -> Bjergsen: Upgrade
These changes don't happen very often either, so it gives fans a chance to get to know the new players and accept them as a part of TSM before the team loses their identity.
Edit: Shen'd lol As much as I might agree that Bjergsen could be an upgrade, let's wait until he actually does something with TSM I thought Edward would be a major upgrade for Curse, but instead they massively underperformed in Summer, maybe the same will happen to TSM. Fans are sometimes unpredictable, for example I have no idea why some of the streamers become popular. Destiny for example in SC2 was always a complete mystery to me. He didn't play exceptionally, he didn't interact with his viewerbase in any special way but he had 5k viewers while TLO had 1k... SivHD is a perfect example in LoL, for some reason people watch him in droves...
I always tought Destiny was the funny dude who did crazy shit on stream , he was the first one interacting with his chat (at least he said so ).
People watch SivHD because of his funny way of talking , crazy shit he does in game , wacky builds and crazy tactics. He is somewhat like destiny but way less verbal and more funny
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TSM has a huge fanbase cause CLG went to Korea and swapped to Azubu. Despite how shit CLG is, they'd still have tons and tons of fans if they were around for S2 and S3 and on popular streaming platforms instead of that Azubu shit. When they left, TSM just came in and in one fell swoop took over NA dominance.
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saying Destiny does not interact with the viewer base is pretty much grounds for having no fucking clue.
TLO never cut it as a streamer because in the early sc2 days when people built their viewer bases he would stream seldomly and at random times. when he moved back from Korea he still had enough hype to probly build a viewer base but he dissapeared almost completely for like 4 months until his hype was all but dead.
don't blame the viewers for TLO not being #1 on twitch.
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I never watched him back in the day, but I've seen countless of videos of him arguing about funny shit with his viewers who'd skype him during his stream
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it's really not new information it's been gone over many times in many threads on TL, including why lol in general is so popular, but timing is actually everything.
Destiny was one of the first "entertainer" streamers, that you knew when you got home from work, would be on. thats why Trick2g got popular guess what, when I get home from work and I don't want to think for an hour, there will be bronze sub wars on, I don't even have to ask.
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On December 02 2013 02:44 Amarant1995 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 02:37 Lylat wrote:On December 02 2013 02:34 Amarant1995 wrote:On December 02 2013 02:07 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 02 2013 01:55 UmberBane wrote:God damnit, Froggen is dropping heavily in viewers as xPeke rises. Guess I was wrong! On December 02 2013 01:39 Tula wrote:
On a related note, am I the only one who thinks EG are being idiotic with their secrecy around this? Considering they are supposed to play the battle of the atlantic soon they should have fixed a roster and started practicing by now (referring to the EUW team).
Obviously it is only a showmatch, but I dont see the profit in keeping silent for so long. EG just can't get out of their e-lluminati role. LOL now it's 26k for xPeke and 15k for Froggen. Damn, I underestimated the cult of xPeke. He deserves it , he is great player , great personality and also very likeable . People mostly care about winners and since xPeke is now on winning team again he is getting more viewers Why do TSM players get 20-30k viewers everytime they stream then ? ( ) History and personality , only reason why I and probably thousands of others were/are fans of TSM is because of their VLOGS they did in the past and random videos of throwing boxes , going to mall yelling baylife , Dyrus burning the house down etc. That is probably why people still watch them
The TSM branding is really strong and they stream a stupid amount. I think the whole notion of buying a spot in the LCS for NA is kind of silly, but I understand why Alex would want to do it. Smart move on his behalf, but I don't like it.
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Speaking of streams, I'm really impressed by Wingsofdeathx, I watch his stream from time to time, this guy is really cool, and despite not being in any team, he's at more than 25k viewers right now.
Wasn't he a sub for TSM some time ago? Or just a partner of TSM.
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On December 02 2013 05:35 Lysteria wrote:
Speaking of streams, I'm really impressed by Wingsofdeathx, I watch his stream from time to time, this guy is really cool, and despite not being in any team, he's at more than 25k viewers right now.
Wasn't he a sub for TSM some time ago? Or just a partner of TSM.
He was part of the TSM.Evo team, before it self-disbanded due to disappointing performance. WoDx probably complained about being camped too much huehue
+ Show Spoiler +more seriously, his stream is (has always been) very informative, and the old joke of him complaining about being camped doesn't carry over much now: he's improved on that aspect
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On December 02 2013 04:21 Amarant1995 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 03:50 Tula wrote:On December 02 2013 02:57 onlywonderboy wrote:
Another factor to consider is how stable their roster has been and when they do make changes they are usually for the best.
Rainmain -> Dyrus: Upgrade
Chaox -> Turtle: Upgrade
Regi -> Bjergsen: Upgrade
These changes don't happen very often either, so it gives fans a chance to get to know the new players and accept them as a part of TSM before the team loses their identity.
Edit: Shen'd lol As much as I might agree that Bjergsen could be an upgrade, let's wait until he actually does something with TSM I thought Edward would be a major upgrade for Curse, but instead they massively underperformed in Summer, maybe the same will happen to TSM. Fans are sometimes unpredictable, for example I have no idea why some of the streamers become popular. Destiny for example in SC2 was always a complete mystery to me. He didn't play exceptionally, he didn't interact with his viewerbase in any special way but he had 5k viewers while TLO had 1k... SivHD is a perfect example in LoL, for some reason people watch him in droves... I always tought Destiny was the funny dude who did crazy shit on stream , he was the first one interacting with his chat (at least he said so ). People watch SivHD because of his funny way of talking , crazy shit he does in game , wacky builds and crazy tactics. He is somewhat like destiny but way less verbal and more funny
That is pretty much exactly what I mean. People watch streams for different reasons. I watch either because I want to learn something (meaning I'll watch Voyboy or someone similar who talks a lot about why he is doing XY) or because I want to watch high level plays (or random fails at high level stuff) which basically means a midlaner or an agressive jungler.
My personal taste doesn't include random stupidity and trashing of a language by someone who considers himself cool so I literally cannot watch Siv without having to puke.
Concerning Destiny fun is obviously also a matter of opinion and taste, and no in the maybe 12h total I've watched him he didn't do anything with his streamchat that was in any way special. He answered some questions between games but then even Idra did that sometimes.
Heck even a persons taste in music can mean many people won't watch a stream.
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When Destiny first started streaming before ddos was a huge problem, he would accept skype calls from any viewer, it's unfortunate some sad kids had to ruin the fun.
granted it's now impossible for a streamer to do this safely, it's just another reason why timing is everything.
he was pretty toxic/unbearable in lol, but he can be fun in sc2. idk I don't care if you don't like him but to call out the twitch community for not supporting TLO was pretty dumb.
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how do you even spot that.
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United Kingdom50293 Posts
He sure has an interesting division, a one on one with bjergsen's smurf lol. I wonder if EG are just gonna import all the Euros then or is it going to be pobelter doing his Benedict Arnold impersonation. A bit sad for innox if mimer does end up going top for EG because innox could compete with the LCS tops with the right team.
I also enjoy valkrin having some fun with the rumours (Look at the bottom match in his history )
On December 02 2013 06:29 AsnSensation wrote:
how do you even spot that.
Well he was against locodoco and two XDG players so he might have been spotted on one of their streams.
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I streamed like 10 minutes of the game :D .. they found out and now they remade it.
no mimer!
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I dont like this, These are -no offense- but washed up/ lower tier pros from eu, that wouldnt find any team, but prob are still contracted by EG and are just popular. They have no future in the pro scene and this is just an attempt to milk some money out of their name.
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On December 02 2013 09:57 Kenpark wrote:
I dont like this, These are -no offense- but washed up/ lower tier pros from eu, that wouldnt find any team, but prob are still contracted by EG and are just popular. They have no future in the pro scene and this is just an attempt to milk some money out of their name.
not exactly a surprise coming from EG though. I don't feel too strongly about the subject, if they deserve to get into NA LCS, they'll get in. If they don't, then they won't. I think Quantic is pretty strong and should end up the ones to make it in, but who knows.
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i wonder how much those LCS spots were that people just buy them for some B/C tier team and hope for the best.
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On December 02 2013 12:28 LaNague wrote:
i wonder how much those LCS spots were that people just buy them for some B/C tier team and hope for the best.
You'd have to ask gtrsrs, if it wasn't NDA'd.
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But tbh, it's not unimaginable. 1) it's EG (monies in da bank and all), and 2) VES's roster performance was alot like its Summer LCS performance, which meant its chances as the last pick for the Challenger Promotions (and thus being saddled with the strongest Challenger team [now Quantic, but previously either Quantic or CoL]) was pretty shot given how little improvement/headway was being made leading up to the Promos (and how thoroughly the best Challenger teams beat them in the NACL/ALCS/other amateur tourneys).
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yeah they were getting smoked in the NACL even before they dropped the LCS roster.
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On December 02 2013 09:57 Kenpark wrote:
I dont like this, These are -no offense- but washed up/ lower tier pros from eu, that wouldnt find any team, but prob are still contracted by EG and are just popular. They have no future in the pro scene and this is just an attempt to milk some money out of their name.
What's the problem then? If they are washed up, they'll not go to the LCS.
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Atleast there is no easy route into LCS this season.
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On December 01 2013 21:46 GozoShioda wrote:
am I the only one who feels that the majority of EG players are washed up kids who became complacent and still are living in their days of CLG.EU?
I read this opnion so often on this site, but I still dont get where it is coming from and why it is always targetted at EG. They practise about as much as the average EU LCS pro, they win about as much as the average LCS pro. There is literally nothing that makes them stand out in a negative way.
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On December 02 2013 07:53 ExoFun wrote:
I streamed like 10 minutes of the game :D .. they found out and now they remade it.
no mimer!
Which game do you mean, and who found out?
Yesterday I saw "EG.na" scrim against Curse with Innox top, while Mimer was already playing on NA.
edit: Nvm just realized you mean the same game I saw lol. Mimer also said ingame hes playing from Europe, so I guess no Mimer to NA.
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I also find it odd.... Why would YP, krepo and snoopeh risk their SECURE LCS spot for a real risk of not being in LCS NA?
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On December 02 2013 21:27 CreationSoul wrote:
I also find it odd.... Why would YP, krepo and snoopeh risk their SECURE LCS spot for a real risk of not being in LCS NA?
For one the team is splitting up anyway, mostly because Froggen really wants to play with Shook imo. Then EG probably wanted a NA division, so it makes a lot of sense to use some of their EU players for that as finding free quality players in NA is very difficult. EG only having a EU division was always kinda weird given how much they are NA focussed. And finally a similar reason other EU pros go to NA as well, supposedly less competition.
I agree that it is quite risky though and beating Quantic will be difficult. But I suppose EG will pay them even if it fails. They would have to play in the Coke league, but then have another chance at qualfying after spring split. If they also fail then it is over.
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On December 02 2013 21:27 CreationSoul wrote:
I also find it odd.... Why would YP, krepo and snoopeh risk their SECURE LCS spot for a real risk of not being in LCS NA?
Because their chances are really high. They have LCS experience, international experiences against multiple high-level teams. And we're talking NA here, i don't see the problem for them tbh.
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On December 02 2013 21:34 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 21:27 CreationSoul wrote:
I also find it odd.... Why would YP, krepo and snoopeh risk their SECURE LCS spot for a real risk of not being in LCS NA? For one the team is splitting up anyway, mostly because Froggen really wants to play with Shook imo. Then EG probably wanted a NA division, so it makes a lot of sense to use some of their EU players for that as finding free quality players in NA is very difficult. EG only having a EU division was always kinda weird given how much they are NA focussed. And finally a similar reason other EU pros go to NA as well, supposedly less competition. I agree that it is quite risky though and beating Quantic will be difficult. But I suppose EG will pay them even if it fails. They would have to play in the Coke league, but then have another chance at qualfying after spring split. If they also fail then it is over.
Well I still believe the plan for some of the guys was to stop playing and move into other roles within EG/Riot. This attempt to set up EG NA just seems like a way for them to keep playing if it works out or naturally progress into Riot/EG if it doesn't. If they don't get into LCS than they still in NA Coke league so they can do NA content and possibly even be at LCS venue constantly for PR. Just makes sense to me.
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On December 02 2013 21:44 Numy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 21:34 Redox wrote:On December 02 2013 21:27 CreationSoul wrote:
I also find it odd.... Why would YP, krepo and snoopeh risk their SECURE LCS spot for a real risk of not being in LCS NA? For one the team is splitting up anyway, mostly because Froggen really wants to play with Shook imo. Then EG probably wanted a NA division, so it makes a lot of sense to use some of their EU players for that as finding free quality players in NA is very difficult. EG only having a EU division was always kinda weird given how much they are NA focussed. And finally a similar reason other EU pros go to NA as well, supposedly less competition. I agree that it is quite risky though and beating Quantic will be difficult. But I suppose EG will pay them even if it fails. They would have to play in the Coke league, but then have another chance at qualfying after spring split. If they also fail then it is over. Well I still believe the plan for some of the guys was to stop playing and move into other roles within EG/Riot. This attempt to set up EG NA just seems like a way for them to keep playing if it works out or naturally progress into Riot/EG if it doesn't. If they don't get into LCS than they still in NA Coke league so they can do NA content and possibly even be at LCS venue constantly for PR. Just makes sense to me.
Also possible. In any case I believe the EG players respect each other a lot and would not backstep each other, but rather find a solution that is acceptable for all parties. Same with the EG management, that was probably very content with how their LoL division was doing and had no reason to release any of them.
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Wow just saw this tweet
If I interpret it correctly RiotTiza says that it is not allowed for a NA and EU LCS team to have the same owner. So it would not be possible to have an Alliance team in EU and an EG team in NA if both are owned by Garfield..
This changes a whole lot. If "EG.na" will indeed be an EG team (like I am pretty sure it will) the Froggen team would have to get a different owner than EG/Alliance.
edit:
there is also a reddit thread about it: http://de.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1rwh01/if_krepoco_remain_with_eg_for_na_froggenwickd/
Apparently it is a new rule for this season. Maybe Alex Garfield will find a new owner for Alliance?
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That rule is so dumb. we'll never catch up to Korea if we don't get sisterteams!
(jk we wouldn't catch up anyway)
e: Shouldn't be that hard for A.G. to make his wife/gf or someone else close to him owner of either brand (most likely [A]) to avoid that new rules.
If things go as expected though (eg losing to quantic) then there shouldn't be a problem because EG will be playing in the coke zero league.
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if i would be evil (im totally not), i would let the failed Eu players duke it out with the qualifying spot i bought.
Once they reach the real LCS, i would sell that spot, since i wont sell my popular Eu team for it. The players will probably fall into depression, but who cares, riot esport is all about the managers.
Positive side effect is huge shitstorm and riot maybe seeing how dumb their rules are :D
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Heh their rules are becoming even more absurd. I can understand why they do not want sisterteams within one region, simply because the "league" isn't really big enough to allow that. It was already a bit strange with C9 and TSM who have some kind of buisness relationship but okay.
There is literally no reason I can see why an Organization should not have a team playing in NA and EU at the same time. Their branding rule makes at least some sense, but why do they create such stupidity in the first place? An internal scrim opponent who you can trust to keep your strategies secret and to prepare properly before a big match is a pretty good thing to have. Why go to all that effort to forbid it? (Keep in mind that sister teams are more or less the standard setup in Korea...)
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This is such a win win for EG. Even if they don't qualify for LCS, they would be able to dominate the Coke league and attract eyeballs that way.
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There's also still the possibility that this is the biggest troll of the offseason yet.
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On December 03 2013 00:24 BrownBear wrote:
There's also still the possibility that this is the biggest troll of the offseason yet.
I was thinking that for a while (mostly about the EU superteam) but now that Krepo, Snoopeh and YP have disappeared from the radar (aka not streaming anymore) and are playing organized scrims with NA teams I'd say this sounds fairly solid.
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On December 02 2013 22:18 Redox wrote:Wow just saw this tweet If I interpret it correctly RiotTiza says that it is not allowed for a NA and EU LCS team to have the same owner. So it would not be possible to have an Alliance team in EU and an EG team in NA if both are owned by Garfield.. This changes a whole lot. If "EG.na" will indeed be an EG team (like I am pretty sure it will) the Froggen team would have to get a different owner than EG/Alliance. edit: there is also a reddit thread about it: http://de.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1rwh01/if_krepoco_remain_with_eg_for_na_froggenwickd/Apparently it is a new rule for this season. Maybe Alex Garfield will find a new owner for Alliance?
Rather strange rule. Seems like Regi/Jack were smart when they did the C9 thing since it still circumvents this rule while having basically a second TSM team.
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It's same shit how Regi/Hotshot couldn't be owner and player at the same time. They will just have someone sign as owner of the team in LCS documents if needed.
Alex Garfield is smart and he made sure that he can have Alliance/EG playing LCS before buying Velocity slot.
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Wow that rule is so dumb. Makes zero sense for them to prevent an organization from owning a team in NA and EU. It's not like it's a monopoly or anything. Riot dropping the ball on this one.
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Krepo saying on stream that they do not announce stuff until it is completely finished to prevent having to backtrack.
Also dropping some bombs about how Olly is both a scumbag for leaking shit that doesn't belong to him and is also a drophacker :D
Seems he is a bit pissed off at him
Announcement incomming "soon enough"
"so much shit going on in Alternate maybe he should be working on his own stuff instead of talking about ours"
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On December 03 2013 02:11 Tula wrote:Krepo saying on stream that they do not announce stuff until it is completely finished to prevent having to backtrack. Also dropping some bombs about how Olly is both a scumbag for leaking shit that doesn't belong to him and is also a drophacker :D Seems he is a bit pissed off at him Announcement incomming "soon enough"
Apparently Olly was pissed that Krepo among some others was against Incarnation coming back lol.
Any pro player or manager could leak stuff about the other teams because they talk to each other in private, yet they dont do it. Like Krepo could leak the Atn lineup or whatever, but what's the point? There is always a lot of stuff going on behind the scenes, it is a petty thing to disclose it just to get back at someone.
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On December 02 2013 22:18 Redox wrote:Wow just saw this tweet If I interpret it correctly RiotTiza says that it is not allowed for a NA and EU LCS team to have the same owner. So it would not be possible to have an Alliance team in EU and an EG team in NA if both are owned by Garfield.. This changes a whole lot. If "EG.na" will indeed be an EG team (like I am pretty sure it will) the Froggen team would have to get a different owner than EG/Alliance. edit: there is also a reddit thread about it: http://de.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1rwh01/if_krepoco_remain_with_eg_for_na_froggenwickd/Apparently it is a new rule for this season. Maybe Alex Garfield will find a new owner for Alliance?
I thought I overheard that from before somewhere. Not entirely sure if it pertained to LoL strictly too. It just sounds very familiar.
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Vancouver14381 Posts
This was in the rulebook from July but I'm sure the earlier ones also had something similar. Maybe Riot made it a bit stricter to prevent loopholes.
3.1 Team Ownership Restriction
No Owner or Affiliate of Owner may own or control more than one team in either
the LCS North America Region or the LCS Europe Region. If an Owner or Affiliate
of Owner owns a team in the LCS North America Region and a team in the LCS
Europe Region, the two teams may not have names, logos, uniforms or brand
designs which are the same or reasonably similar.
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On December 03 2013 03:50 JBright wrote:This was in the rulebook from July but I'm sure the earlier ones also had something similar. Maybe Riot made it a bit stricter to prevent loopholes. Show nested quote +3.1 Team Ownership Restriction
No Owner or Affiliate of Owner may own or control more than one team in either
the LCS North America Region or the LCS Europe Region. If an Owner or Affiliate
of Owner owns a team in the LCS North America Region and a team in the LCS
Europe Region, the two teams may not have names, logos, uniforms or brand
designs which are the same or reasonably similar.
Which would have been fine if they were Alliance and EG. So this new rule seems weird.
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in those series of tweets Tiza said that it's an addition to the rulebook for 2014.... seems fishy
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riot needs to get someone with actual sports law experience to write these rulebooks
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I don't get why NA and Europe have to be connected for this rule.
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On December 03 2013 05:08 Slusher wrote:
I don't get why NA and Europe have to be connected for this rule.
I think that's everybody's' chief complaint. We all get the possible issues of having multiple teams with the same organization in the same region. We might not all agree with it, but we understand the concern. But when it's different regions? I don't think anybody agrees with it.
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Someone need to tell them that rule doesn't exist in real sports and they will change it.
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On December 03 2013 06:50 orzeu wrote:
Someone need to tell them that rule doesn't exist in real sports and they will change it.
Who owns two teams in the NBA/NFL/NHL? (i know nothing about other sports leagues)
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On December 03 2013 06:01 I_Love_Bacon wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 05:08 Slusher wrote:
I don't get why NA and Europe have to be connected for this rule. I think that's everybody's' chief complaint. We all get the possible issues of having multiple teams with the same organization in the same region. We might not all agree with it, but we understand the concern. But when it's different regions? I don't think anybody agrees with it.
It's common practice in professional sports to disallow an owner from owning more than one team in the same association when it comes to fair play and competitiveness. That's the underlying principle of the rule. Still falls under Riot's jurisdiction and there is reason for it. *Puts up hand* You can say different regions all you want, but technically they're divisions of Riot like I just said. I wish the MLSE could ruin more NHL teams, heck Southern Ontario has the market for it but it just wouldn't be fair. Just like they hold most of the TV rights in this area as well. Biggest cock block ever to anyone who wants to bring another team to the area. I understand it. I don't like it, but in terms of competitive advantage (not talking about the TV rights) it makes sense.
On December 03 2013 07:06 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 06:50 orzeu wrote:
Someone need to tell them that rule doesn't exist in real sports and they will change it. Who owns two teams in the NBA/NFL/NHL? (i know nothing about other sports leagues)
Actually sir, it does in may professional leagues. You aren't allowed to own more than one team in the same league/organization/association/etc. The LCS might have different regions, but they all fall under the same banner. Just different divisions. That's actually why Riot decided to enforce such a rule in the first place. Addressed to the Polish person ofc.
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On December 03 2013 07:06 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 06:50 orzeu wrote:
Someone need to tell them that rule doesn't exist in real sports and they will change it. Who owns two teams in the NBA/NFL/NHL? (i know nothing about other sports leagues)
well I can understand that Riot doesn't want an orga. to own 2 teams in 1 LCS League since there's only 8 slots. But not allowing one team in both EU & NA LCS seems strange.
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On December 03 2013 07:22 AsnSensation wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 07:06 nojitosunrise wrote:On December 03 2013 06:50 orzeu wrote:
Someone need to tell them that rule doesn't exist in real sports and they will change it. Who owns two teams in the NBA/NFL/NHL? (i know nothing about other sports leagues) well I can understand that Riot doesn't want an orga. to own 2 teams in 1 LCS League since there's only 8 slots. But not allowing one team in both EU & NA LCS seems strange.
Think of them as different divisions and it makes sense considering they're all fighting for the same thing at the end of the day and there's your explanation.
Let me frame it another way. Even if MLSE were to try and buy another team in let's say the Western Conference it still wouldn't go through because it falls under the same league and it's bad for competition. LCS EU and LCS NA is no different. It's the same league, just different conferences. The system sucks because they barely meet as is, but this is how they pieced it together. Just like the stupid WCS format. Riot took a page from all the other professional sports organizations who implement it and they have every right to.
I know how much Alex likes to undermine things and you know what, I'm no different from him in that regard when it comes to a lot of things. For instance all the Mafia games I've played whether they be here or elsewhere. I'm very cutthroat and I do find holes in systems very easily.
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I don't see why Riot needs to try and emulate traditional sports on every level. I think the reason most of us take issue with this is because OGN has proven you can have teams from the same organization in the same league and it doesn't ruin the integrity of the game.
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On December 03 2013 08:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
I don't see why Riot needs to try and emulate traditional sports on every level. I think the reason most of us take issue with this is because OGN has proven you can have teams from the same organization in the same league and it doesn't ruin the integrity of the game.
You never really know though...
There are arguments for and against it. Personally I dont care, and it is Riot's decision. Also there are MUCH bigger problems with LCS.
What is unfair though is that is allowed in Korea but not NA/EU. Should be same rules for all.
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On December 03 2013 07:28 StarStruck wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 07:22 AsnSensation wrote:On December 03 2013 07:06 nojitosunrise wrote:On December 03 2013 06:50 orzeu wrote:
Someone need to tell them that rule doesn't exist in real sports and they will change it. Who owns two teams in the NBA/NFL/NHL? (i know nothing about other sports leagues) well I can understand that Riot doesn't want an orga. to own 2 teams in 1 LCS League since there's only 8 slots. But not allowing one team in both EU & NA LCS seems strange. Think of them as different divisions and it makes sense considering they're all fighting for the same thing at the end of the day and there's your explanation. Let me frame it another way. Even if MLSE were to try and buy another team in let's say the Western Conference it still wouldn't go through because it falls under the same league and it's bad for competition. LCS EU and LCS NA is no different. It's the same league, just different conferences. The system sucks because they barely meet as is, but this is how they pieced it together. Just like the stupid WCS format. Riot took a page from all the other professional sports organizations who implement it and they have every right to. I know how much Alex likes to undermine things and you know what, I'm no different from him in that regard when it comes to a lot of things. For instance all the Mafia games I've played whether they be here or elsewhere. I'm very cutthroat and I do find holes in systems very easily.
Okay so far so good, but that really doesn't help the glaring double standard presented by OGN and the Korean league. If they want to restrict everything to 1 team per owner okay, I might disagree philosophically but it is their league so their rules apply. What annoys me is that Korean teams do have sister teams and all the advantadges that brings to scrim schedules, practice regimes and general team setup.
There is a reason why it is fairly common to have an A and B squad within a club, LoL isn't nearly big enough for 1 pro squad to make enough money to pay 5 people to basically be their practice partners. So I still think an EU and NA squad would be the "best" setup (even if the best actually would be a bigger LCS with ~16 slots, which makes A and B squads within a region possible.
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On December 03 2013 08:15 Redox wrote:
What is unfair though is that is allowed in Korea but not NA/EU. Should be same rules for all.
This is the main part bugging me thus far.
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Well the lcs's are run by riot directly but that isn't the case in Korea. Imo the organizers of each league has the right to set their own rules. Ogn can allow multiple teams but worlds is afaik run by riot so they can bottleneck the sister teams there and maintain their one team rule (just my two cents x: )
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On December 03 2013 08:18 Tula wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 07:28 StarStruck wrote:On December 03 2013 07:22 AsnSensation wrote:On December 03 2013 07:06 nojitosunrise wrote:On December 03 2013 06:50 orzeu wrote:
Someone need to tell them that rule doesn't exist in real sports and they will change it. Who owns two teams in the NBA/NFL/NHL? (i know nothing about other sports leagues) well I can understand that Riot doesn't want an orga. to own 2 teams in 1 LCS League since there's only 8 slots. But not allowing one team in both EU & NA LCS seems strange. Think of them as different divisions and it makes sense considering they're all fighting for the same thing at the end of the day and there's your explanation. Let me frame it another way. Even if MLSE were to try and buy another team in let's say the Western Conference it still wouldn't go through because it falls under the same league and it's bad for competition. LCS EU and LCS NA is no different. It's the same league, just different conferences. The system sucks because they barely meet as is, but this is how they pieced it together. Just like the stupid WCS format. Riot took a page from all the other professional sports organizations who implement it and they have every right to. I know how much Alex likes to undermine things and you know what, I'm no different from him in that regard when it comes to a lot of things. For instance all the Mafia games I've played whether they be here or elsewhere. I'm very cutthroat and I do find holes in systems very easily. Okay so far so good, but that really doesn't help the glaring double standard presented by OGN and the Korean league. If they want to restrict everything to 1 team per owner okay, I might disagree philosophically but it is their league so their rules apply. What annoys me is that Korean teams do have sister teams and all the advantadges that brings to scrim schedules, practice regimes and general team setup. There is a reason why it is fairly common to have an A and B squad within a club, LoL isn't nearly big enough for 1 pro squad to make enough money to pay 5 people to basically be their practice partners. So I still think an EU and NA squad would be the "best" setup (even if the best actually would be a bigger LCS with ~16 slots, which makes A and B squads within a region possible.
Well aware. OGN have their own thing going yet they still have the rights to the LCS KR and there's Alex's leverage so-to-speak. The rule should technically apply to all divisions of the LCS brand.
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On December 03 2013 08:15 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
I don't see why Riot needs to try and emulate traditional sports on every level. I think the reason most of us take issue with this is because OGN has proven you can have teams from the same organization in the same league and it doesn't ruin the integrity of the game. You never really know though... There are arguments for and against it. Personally I dont care, and it is Riot's decision. Also there are MUCH bigger problems with LCS. What is unfair though is that is allowed in Korea but not NA/EU. Should be same rules for all.
Korea really isn't a "league" though. It is just seasonal tournaments in which players accrue points. I haven't watched proleague in years, but has there ever been two teams with one owner?
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On December 03 2013 08:32 nojitosunrise wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:15 Redox wrote:On December 03 2013 08:06 onlywonderboy wrote:
I don't see why Riot needs to try and emulate traditional sports on every level. I think the reason most of us take issue with this is because OGN has proven you can have teams from the same organization in the same league and it doesn't ruin the integrity of the game. You never really know though... There are arguments for and against it. Personally I dont care, and it is Riot's decision. Also there are MUCH bigger problems with LCS. What is unfair though is that is allowed in Korea but not NA/EU. Should be same rules for all. Korea really isn't a "league" though. It is just seasonal tournaments in which players accrue points. I haven't watched proleague in years, but has there ever been two teams with one owner?
If we're talking about Pro League in BW then yes that has never happened. Teams back then had really big rosters split into A-Teams, B-Teamers (who you'd only really see in qualifiers for the individual leagues) and then your practice partners etc. It's not the same thing when we talk about the make-up for BW Teams.
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what i find more interesting is the rule that a player cant be the license holder.
So if you are an amateur team and somehow manage to get a license, you have to either stop playing or get a manager that then can screw you over so freaking hard.
For example, by selling your license to, lets say EG.
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Yep, there are all sorts of flaws in the system and I really dislike it when people use the LCS as an example because it's very far from ideal.
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On December 03 2013 08:44 LaNague wrote:
what i find more interesting is the rule that a player cant be the license holder.
So if you are an amateur team and somehow manage to get a license, you have to either stop playing or get a manager that then can screw you over so freaking hard.
For example, by selling your license to, lets say EG.
You always could get a family members to be the manager for you.
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On December 03 2013 08:44 LaNague wrote:
what i find more interesting is the rule that a player cant be the license holder.
So if you are an amateur team and somehow manage to get a license, you have to either stop playing or get a manager that then can screw you over so freaking hard.
For example, by selling your license to, lets say EG.
I've seen people bitch about this, but give no alternative to the system that RIOT has. If you want the spot to be owned by the players, than how do you bench someone? How do you replace them when it is clear that they suck/stop trying/have personality conflicts with the team? If all 5 players own the spot - then their roster is locked in, until the end of time, because no one is going to vote themselves out of a team.
I mean how many people in League have been screwed over by managers? Velocity? if you count this, I guess - but they had about 5% chance to beat Quantic in a series so they were going to lose their spot anyway, unfortunate that they don't get to compete for their spot but hardly seems like a vast miscarriage of justice. There was that strange move with NeegodBro, TheTess and Svenskerren being benched with NiP after only 2 weeks. That one is kind of unfortunate. Lemondogs? Okay so the team got gutted by NiP, but unless their contracts with Lemondogs ran out, NiP certainly paid Lemondogs a fee for Nukeduck, Zorozero and Mithy - and oh, those players are happily employed with NiP, in starting positions. Dexter and Tabzz are still on their roster (for now I guess) and if you want to count them as screwed over... I don't know what to say - they are all going to be playing in the LCS next split. So please tell me how many players have been screwed over by managers. It's possible I'm missing some more examples, but this hardly seems like a huge problem.
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On December 03 2013 09:20 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:44 LaNague wrote:
what i find more interesting is the rule that a player cant be the license holder.
So if you are an amateur team and somehow manage to get a license, you have to either stop playing or get a manager that then can screw you over so freaking hard.
For example, by selling your license to, lets say EG. You always could get a family members to be the manager for you.
The return of MomshotGG
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On December 03 2013 09:47 Amethyst21 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:44 LaNague wrote:
what i find more interesting is the rule that a player cant be the license holder.
So if you are an amateur team and somehow manage to get a license, you have to either stop playing or get a manager that then can screw you over so freaking hard.
For example, by selling your license to, lets say EG. I've seen people bitch about this, but give no alternative to the system that RIOT has. If you want the spot to be owned by the players, than how do you bench someone? How do you replace them when it is clear that they suck/stop trying/have personality conflicts with the team? If all 5 players own the spot - then their roster is locked in, until the end of time, because no one is going to vote themselves out of a team. I mean how many people in League have been screwed over by managers? Velocity? if you count this, I guess - but they had about 5% chance to beat Quantic in a series so they were going to lose their spot anyway, unfortunate that they don't get to compete for their spot but hardly seems like a vast miscarriage of justice. There was that strange move with NeegodBro, TheTess and Svenskerren being benched with NiP after only 2 weeks. That one is kind of unfortunate. Lemondogs? Okay so the team got gutted by NiP, but unless their contracts with Lemondogs ran out, NiP certainly paid Lemondogs a fee for Nukeduck, Zorozero and Mithy - and oh, those players are happily employed with NiP, in starting positions. Dexter and Tabzz are still on their roster (for now I guess) and if you want to count them as screwed over... I don't know what to say - they are all going to be playing in the LCS next split. So please tell me how many players have been screwed over by managers. It's possible I'm missing some more examples, but this hardly seems like a huge problem.
how about no rule.
If one player owns the team, good for him.
If all players own the team equally, they have to figure it out.
If a manager creates a team or buys a spot or gets hired and put in charge, good for him.
If a team cant bench the player they want, or are little drama queens, then thats their problem to solve.
Well, i guess a way around the rule is to make some legal constructs that techically make someone else the owner, but drain money if he removes the previous player owner from the team using the license.
But then again, those players are like 18 years old and only played PC games all their lives, they will just put trust into someone.
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Say a lot of things about EG but they aren't idiots, moving Krepo, Snoopeh and Yellowpete to America only to find out later that they can't participate in both LCS? no thats not how they operate, likely there is a third esports organization involved, one that would either take over the European team, or purchase the contracts of the former clg.eu players.
could explain why TL is stepping up their lol coverage. most likely wishful thinking.
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Too bad for TL that leaguepedia is so damn huge, a LoL liquipedia would have no space at all. I'm not sure if they'd ever fully want to feauture a game without a liquipedia. Even the thought of having a TL LoL team is so funny, yet cool.
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On December 03 2013 13:19 Slusher wrote:
Say a lot of things about EG but they aren't idiots, moving Krepo, Snoopeh and Yellowpete to America only to find out later that they can't participate in both LCS? no thats not how they operate, likely there is a third esports organization involved, one that would either take over the European team, or purchase the contracts of the former clg.eu players.
could explain why TL is stepping up their lol coverage. most likely wishful thinking.
The coke league would be fine if they don't make it to the LCS. Still the same eyeballs and marketability.
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On December 03 2013 17:49 UmberBane wrote:
Too bad for TL that leaguepedia is so damn huge, a LoL liquipedia would have no space at all. I'm not sure if they'd ever fully want to feauture a game without a liquipedia. Even the thought of having a TL LoL team is so funny, yet cool.
leaguepedia is not really that good in covering EU tournaments. There still some room left in the whole liquidpedia.LoL that focus on EU/KR/CH market because leaguepedia isnt really good in updating those tournaments/livescore/pick and ban.
But Dexter going to NA is pretty sure right now after his Facebook post... still uncertain what is gonna happen with LD team. I still think its gonna be Ocelote money.
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On December 03 2013 09:47 Amethyst21 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 08:44 LaNague wrote:
what i find more interesting is the rule that a player cant be the license holder.
So if you are an amateur team and somehow manage to get a license, you have to either stop playing or get a manager that then can screw you over so freaking hard.
For example, by selling your license to, lets say EG. I've seen people bitch about this, but give no alternative to the system that RIOT has. If you want the spot to be owned by the players, than how do you bench someone? How do you replace them when it is clear that they suck/stop trying/have personality conflicts with the team? If all 5 players own the spot - then their roster is locked in, until the end of time, because no one is going to vote themselves out of a team.
Meh this one is really easy. Simple majority rule. If majority of players are in favor of roster changes, they happen. Kicked players lose their ownership then, invited ones get it.
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On December 03 2013 20:58 ExoFun wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 17:49 UmberBane wrote:
Too bad for TL that leaguepedia is so damn huge, a LoL liquipedia would have no space at all. I'm not sure if they'd ever fully want to feauture a game without a liquipedia. Even the thought of having a TL LoL team is so funny, yet cool. leaguepedia is not really that good in covering EU tournaments. There still some room left in the whole liquidpedia.LoL that focus on EU/KR/CH market because leaguepedia isnt really good in updating those tournaments/livescore/pick and ban. But Dexter going to NA is pretty sure right now after his Facebook post... still uncertain what is gonna happen with LD team. I still think its gonna be Ocelote money.
Leaguepedia is not perfect but fine. There is no real need for a liquipedia and I dont think there is the needed manpower either. If someone has the time and wants to do this, he can help out leaguepedia.
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On December 03 2013 21:38 Redox wrote:Show nested quote +On December 03 2013 20:58 ExoFun wrote:On December 03 2013 17:49 UmberBane wrote:
Too bad for TL that leaguepedia is so damn huge, a LoL liquipedia would have no space at all. I'm not sure if they'd ever fully want to feauture a game without a liquipedia. Even the thought of having a TL LoL team is so funny, yet cool. leaguepedia is not really that good in covering EU tournaments. There still some room left in the whole liquidpedia.LoL that focus on EU/KR/CH market because leaguepedia isnt really good in updating those tournaments/livescore/pick and ban. But Dexter going to NA is pretty sure right now after his Facebook post... still uncertain what is gonna happen with LD team. I still think its gonna be Ocelote money. Leaguepedia is not perfect but fine. There is no real need for a liquipedia and I dont think there is the needed manpower either. If someone has the time and wants to do this, he can help out leaguepedia.
Leaguepedia has enough of the market share it's not worth trying to go up against them, even with niche content.
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On December 03 2013 17:49 UmberBane wrote:
Too bad for TL that leaguepedia is so damn huge, a LoL liquipedia would have no space at all. I'm not sure if they'd ever fully want to feauture a game without a liquipedia. Even the thought of having a TL LoL team is so funny, yet cool.
It's very possible.
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Welp, it was as confirmed as it gets back when Naniwa stated in his blog that he doesn't hate LoL anymore.
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On December 11 2013 15:51 UmberBane wrote:
Welp, it was as confirmed as it gets back when Naniwa stated in his blog that he doesn't hate LoL anymore.
Hilarious.
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