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On December 02 2013 02:44 Amarant1995 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 02:37 Lylat wrote:On December 02 2013 02:34 Amarant1995 wrote:On December 02 2013 02:07 onlywonderboy wrote:On December 02 2013 01:55 UmberBane wrote:God damnit, Froggen is dropping heavily in viewers as xPeke rises. Guess I was wrong! On December 02 2013 01:39 Tula wrote:
On a related note, am I the only one who thinks EG are being idiotic with their secrecy around this? Considering they are supposed to play the battle of the atlantic soon they should have fixed a roster and started practicing by now (referring to the EUW team).
Obviously it is only a showmatch, but I dont see the profit in keeping silent for so long. EG just can't get out of their e-lluminati role. LOL now it's 26k for xPeke and 15k for Froggen. Damn, I underestimated the cult of xPeke. He deserves it , he is great player , great personality and also very likeable . People mostly care about winners and since xPeke is now on winning team again he is getting more viewers Why do TSM players get 20-30k viewers everytime they stream then ? (  ) History and personality , only reason why I and probably thousands of others were/are fans of TSM is because of their VLOGS they did in the past and random videos of throwing boxes , going to mall yelling baylife , Dyrus burning the house down etc. That is probably why people still watch them
The TSM branding is really strong and they stream a stupid amount. I think the whole notion of buying a spot in the LCS for NA is kind of silly, but I understand why Alex would want to do it. Smart move on his behalf, but I don't like it.
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Speaking of streams, I'm really impressed by Wingsofdeathx, I watch his stream from time to time, this guy is really cool, and despite not being in any team, he's at more than 25k viewers right now.
Wasn't he a sub for TSM some time ago? Or just a partner of TSM.
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On December 02 2013 05:35 Lysteria wrote:
Speaking of streams, I'm really impressed by Wingsofdeathx, I watch his stream from time to time, this guy is really cool, and despite not being in any team, he's at more than 25k viewers right now.
Wasn't he a sub for TSM some time ago? Or just a partner of TSM.
He was part of the TSM.Evo team, before it self-disbanded due to disappointing performance. WoDx probably complained about being camped too much huehue
+ Show Spoiler +more seriously, his stream is (has always been) very informative, and the old joke of him complaining about being camped doesn't carry over much now: he's improved on that aspect
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On December 02 2013 04:21 Amarant1995 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2013 03:50 Tula wrote:On December 02 2013 02:57 onlywonderboy wrote:
Another factor to consider is how stable their roster has been and when they do make changes they are usually for the best.
Rainmain -> Dyrus: Upgrade
Chaox -> Turtle: Upgrade
Regi -> Bjergsen: Upgrade
These changes don't happen very often either, so it gives fans a chance to get to know the new players and accept them as a part of TSM before the team loses their identity.
Edit: Shen'd lol As much as I might agree that Bjergsen could be an upgrade, let's wait until he actually does something with TSM  I thought Edward would be a major upgrade for Curse, but instead they massively underperformed in Summer, maybe the same will happen to TSM. Fans are sometimes unpredictable, for example I have no idea why some of the streamers become popular. Destiny for example in SC2 was always a complete mystery to me. He didn't play exceptionally, he didn't interact with his viewerbase in any special way but he had 5k viewers while TLO had 1k... SivHD is a perfect example in LoL, for some reason people watch him in droves... I always tought Destiny was the funny dude who did crazy shit on stream , he was the first one interacting with his chat (at least he said so ). People watch SivHD because of his funny way of talking , crazy shit he does in game , wacky builds and crazy tactics. He is somewhat like destiny but way less verbal and more funny
That is pretty much exactly what I mean. People watch streams for different reasons. I watch either because I want to learn something (meaning I'll watch Voyboy or someone similar who talks a lot about why he is doing XY) or because I want to watch high level plays (or random fails at high level stuff) which basically means a midlaner or an agressive jungler.
My personal taste doesn't include random stupidity and trashing of a language by someone who considers himself cool so I literally cannot watch Siv without having to puke.
Concerning Destiny fun is obviously also a matter of opinion and taste, and no in the maybe 12h total I've watched him he didn't do anything with his streamchat that was in any way special. He answered some questions between games but then even Idra did that sometimes.
Heck even a persons taste in music can mean many people won't watch a stream.
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When Destiny first started streaming before ddos was a huge problem, he would accept skype calls from any viewer, it's unfortunate some sad kids had to ruin the fun.
granted it's now impossible for a streamer to do this safely, it's just another reason why timing is everything.
he was pretty toxic/unbearable in lol, but he can be fun in sc2. idk I don't care if you don't like him but to call out the twitch community for not supporting TLO was pretty dumb.
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how do you even spot that.
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He sure has an interesting division, a one on one with bjergsen's smurf lol. I wonder if EG are just gonna import all the Euros then or is it going to be pobelter doing his Benedict Arnold impersonation. A bit sad for innox if mimer does end up going top for EG because innox could compete with the LCS tops with the right team.
I also enjoy valkrin having some fun with the rumours (Look at the bottom match in his history )
On December 02 2013 06:29 AsnSensation wrote:
how do you even spot that.
Well he was against locodoco and two XDG players so he might have been spotted on one of their streams.
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I streamed like 10 minutes of the game :D .. they found out and now they remade it.
no mimer!
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I dont like this, These are -no offense- but washed up/ lower tier pros from eu, that wouldnt find any team, but prob are still contracted by EG and are just popular. They have no future in the pro scene and this is just an attempt to milk some money out of their name.
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On December 02 2013 09:57 Kenpark wrote:
I dont like this, These are -no offense- but washed up/ lower tier pros from eu, that wouldnt find any team, but prob are still contracted by EG and are just popular. They have no future in the pro scene and this is just an attempt to milk some money out of their name.
not exactly a surprise coming from EG though. I don't feel too strongly about the subject, if they deserve to get into NA LCS, they'll get in. If they don't, then they won't. I think Quantic is pretty strong and should end up the ones to make it in, but who knows.
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i wonder how much those LCS spots were that people just buy them for some B/C tier team and hope for the best.
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On December 02 2013 12:28 LaNague wrote:
i wonder how much those LCS spots were that people just buy them for some B/C tier team and hope for the best.
You'd have to ask gtrsrs, if it wasn't NDA'd.
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But tbh, it's not unimaginable. 1) it's EG (monies in da bank and all), and 2) VES's roster performance was alot like its Summer LCS performance, which meant its chances as the last pick for the Challenger Promotions (and thus being saddled with the strongest Challenger team [now Quantic, but previously either Quantic or CoL]) was pretty shot given how little improvement/headway was being made leading up to the Promos (and how thoroughly the best Challenger teams beat them in the NACL/ALCS/other amateur tourneys).
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yeah they were getting smoked in the NACL even before they dropped the LCS roster.
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On December 02 2013 09:57 Kenpark wrote:
I dont like this, These are -no offense- but washed up/ lower tier pros from eu, that wouldnt find any team, but prob are still contracted by EG and are just popular. They have no future in the pro scene and this is just an attempt to milk some money out of their name.
What's the problem then? If they are washed up, they'll not go to the LCS.
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Atleast there is no easy route into LCS this season.
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On December 01 2013 21:46 GozoShioda wrote:
am I the only one who feels that the majority of EG players are washed up kids who became complacent and still are living in their days of CLG.EU?
I read this opnion so often on this site, but I still dont get where it is coming from and why it is always targetted at EG. They practise about as much as the average EU LCS pro, they win about as much as the average LCS pro. There is literally nothing that makes them stand out in a negative way.
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On December 02 2013 07:53 ExoFun wrote:
I streamed like 10 minutes of the game :D .. they found out and now they remade it.
no mimer!
Which game do you mean, and who found out?
Yesterday I saw "EG.na" scrim against Curse with Innox top, while Mimer was already playing on NA.
edit: Nvm just realized you mean the same game I saw lol. Mimer also said ingame hes playing from Europe, so I guess no Mimer to NA.
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I also find it odd.... Why would YP, krepo and snoopeh risk their SECURE LCS spot for a real risk of not being in LCS NA?
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On December 02 2013 21:27 CreationSoul wrote:
I also find it odd.... Why would YP, krepo and snoopeh risk their SECURE LCS spot for a real risk of not being in LCS NA?
For one the team is splitting up anyway, mostly because Froggen really wants to play with Shook imo. Then EG probably wanted a NA division, so it makes a lot of sense to use some of their EU players for that as finding free quality players in NA is very difficult. EG only having a EU division was always kinda weird given how much they are NA focussed. And finally a similar reason other EU pros go to NA as well, supposedly less competition.
I agree that it is quite risky though and beating Quantic will be difficult. But I suppose EG will pay them even if it fails. They would have to play in the Coke league, but then have another chance at qualfying after spring split. If they also fail then it is over.
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