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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 02 2013 01:30 UmberBane wrote: I agree mostly, but I found it noteworthy that Froggen is streaming to 27k right now, with Cyanide and xPeke having 8k and 10k  Froggen is the outlier, his popularity transcends the rest of his team. Froggen > xPeke but Fnatic >EG Edit: Also xPeke is up to almost 17k now. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On December 02 2013 01:39 Tula wrote: On a related note, am I the only one who thinks EG are being idiotic with their secrecy around this? Considering they are supposed to play the battle of the atlantic soon they should have fixed a roster and started practicing by now (referring to the EUW team). Obviously it is only a showmatch, but I dont see the profit in keeping silent for so long. EG just can't get out of their e-lluminati role. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
On December 02 2013 01:55 UmberBane wrote: God damnit, Froggen is dropping heavily in viewers as xPeke rises. Guess I was wrong! EG just can't get out of their e-lluminati role. LOL now it's 26k for xPeke and 15k for Froggen. Damn, I underestimated the cult of xPeke. | ||
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Amarant1995
Croatia155 Posts
On December 02 2013 02:07 onlywonderboy wrote: LOL now it's 26k for xPeke and 15k for Froggen. Damn, I underestimated the cult of xPeke. He deserves it , he is great player , great personality and also very likeable . People mostly care about winners and since xPeke is now on winning team again he is getting more viewers | ||
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Lylat
France8575 Posts
On December 02 2013 02:34 Amarant1995 wrote: He deserves it , he is great player , great personality and also very likeable . People mostly care about winners and since xPeke is now on winning team again he is getting more viewers Why do TSM players get 20-30k viewers everytime they stream then ? ( ) | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 02 2013 02:37 Lylat wrote: Why do TSM players get 20-30k viewers everytime they stream then ? ( )How easy is it to chant fnatic, now how easy is it to chant TSM? Question answered. If soaz makes a big play what do you spam in twitch chat? You can't man, now if dyrus does it just bang out T + S + M 20 times. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
So since TSM have had the most consistent success in the NA LCS so far (1st and 2nd), they remain popular, or something like that? | ||
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Amarant1995
Croatia155 Posts
On December 02 2013 02:37 Lylat wrote: Why do TSM players get 20-30k viewers everytime they stream then ? ( )History and personality , only reason why I and probably thousands of others were/are fans of TSM is because of their VLOGS they did in the past and random videos of throwing boxes , going to mall yelling baylife , Dyrus burning the house down etc. That is probably why people still watch them | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
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Amarant1995
Croatia155 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 02 2013 02:47 Amarant1995 wrote: Their following was huge before they dominated NA scene , they were equal with CLG at the time and when CLG left for Korea and TSM started winning , TSM took the "monopoly" lol Pretty much, the same happened in China. World Elite pretty much monopolised China harder than TSM did and they're pretty much untouchable now (Though OMG are making decent traction on the WE fanbase). Same with blaze/frost in Korea and TPA in Taiwan. First top team pretty much gets it all until they do something like CLG does. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On December 02 2013 02:46 onlywonderboy wrote: They just built up a huge following during Season 2 when they were dominating the NA scene. Despite the rise of C9 and Vulcun, TSM's fan base has remained fairly loyal. For a lot of fans TSM was their first favorite team. Yup I think it's quite important that they had good results in NA in S3 aswell, with 1st place and 2nd place without a doubt being the most consistent team exposure wise. They were just consistently able to remain their fanbase in bad phases, and to heavily boost it in good phases. Which I guess would be first half of S2 and first half of S3 as good phases, and the other half of each season as worse phases. If you think about CLG for example, they are nowhere near as popular as they used to be - only Doublelift managed to remain as popular, because he also is still seen as a strong player. What is funny is that in S2 the popular cliche was that TSM's fanbase are all bandwagoners and will be gone the minute they start losing. For some reason they were the team most notorious for bandwagoning fans, when they turned out to actually have a very loyal following (sometimes painfully loyal ) later on. | ||
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 02 2013 02:50 UmberBane wrote: Yup I think it's quite important that they had good results in NA in S3 aswell, with 1st place and 2nd place without a doubt being the most consistent team exposure wise. They were just consistently able to remain their fanbase in bad phases, and to heavily boost it in good phases. Which I guess would be first half of S2 and first half of S3 as good phases, and the other half of each season as worse phases. If you think about CLG for example, they are nowhere near as popular as they used to be - only Doublelift managed to remain as popular, because he also is still seen as a strong player. What is funny is that in S2 the popular cliche was that TSM's fanbase are all bandwagoners and will be gone the minute they start losing. For some reason they were the team most notorious for bandwagoning fans, when they turned out to actually have a very loyal following (sometimes painfully loyal )The roster of TSM is also very stable, CLG fans often latched onto dlift because he's also the only one around most of the time. Jiji went out of the role that made him a big name and is now benched, hotshotGG has quit playing, saint/elementz/vooby are on curse now and chauster has now retired. Link and nien have some respect but haven't put themselves out for the brand like wildturtle and dyrus have. Also being on own3d and azubu didn't do them any favours. | ||
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onlywonderboy
United States23745 Posts
Rainmain -> Dyrus: Upgrade Chaox -> Turtle: Upgrade Regi -> Bjergsen: Upgrade These changes don't happen very often either, so it gives fans a chance to get to know the new players and accept them as a part of TSM before the team loses their identity. Edit: Shen'd lol | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On December 02 2013 02:57 onlywonderboy wrote: Another factor to consider is how stable their roster has been and when they do make changes they are usually for the best. Rainmain -> Dyrus: Upgrade Chaox -> Turtle: Upgrade Regi -> Bjergsen: Upgrade These changes don't happen very often either, so it gives fans a chance to get to know the new players and accept them as a part of TSM before the team loses their identity. Edit: Shen'd lol As much as I might agree that Bjergsen could be an upgrade, let's wait until he actually does something with TSM  I thought Edward would be a major upgrade for Curse, but instead they massively underperformed in Summer, maybe the same will happen to TSM. Fans are sometimes unpredictable, for example I have no idea why some of the streamers become popular. Destiny for example in SC2 was always a complete mystery to me. He didn't play exceptionally, he didn't interact with his viewerbase in any special way but he had 5k viewers while TLO had 1k... SivHD is a perfect example in LoL, for some reason people watch him in droves... | ||
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Amarant1995
Croatia155 Posts
On December 02 2013 03:50 Tula wrote: As much as I might agree that Bjergsen could be an upgrade, let's wait until he actually does something with TSM I thought Edward would be a major upgrade for Curse, but instead they massively underperformed in Summer, maybe the same will happen to TSM. Fans are sometimes unpredictable, for example I have no idea why some of the streamers become popular. Destiny for example in SC2 was always a complete mystery to me. He didn't play exceptionally, he didn't interact with his viewerbase in any special way but he had 5k viewers while TLO had 1k... SivHD is a perfect example in LoL, for some reason people watch him in droves... I always tought Destiny was the funny dude who did crazy shit on stream , he was the first one interacting with his chat (at least he said so ). People watch SivHD because of his funny way of talking , crazy shit he does in game , wacky builds and crazy tactics. He is somewhat like destiny but way less verbal and more funny | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
TLO never cut it as a streamer because in the early sc2 days when people built their viewer bases he would stream seldomly and at random times. when he moved back from Korea he still had enough hype to probly build a viewer base but he dissapeared almost completely for like 4 months until his hype was all but dead. don't blame the viewers for TLO not being #1 on twitch. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
Destiny was one of the first "entertainer" streamers, that you knew when you got home from work, would be on. thats why Trick2g got popular guess what, when I get home from work and I don't want to think for an hour, there will be bronze sub wars on, I don't even have to ask. | ||
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