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President Jun Byung-Hun's Letter about Team Dark - Page 2

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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 26 2013 10:27 GMT
#21
On November 26 2013 19:15 Chexx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 18:50 wei2coolman wrote:
I leave this to bad tourney format. Don't have players play pointless matches if you don't want this shit to happen. Having memorable match for a team that can't progress is actually the best financial move, cuz at least they get more name exposure.

and you failed to read too.
Seeding wasnt decided yet for the group. Do you guys even read the posts from others?

The seeding for Dark required the worse teams in qualifiers 2:0 established teams for a chance of Dark going through. If that's what I recall. Very very unlikely
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51508 Posts
November 26 2013 10:27 GMT
#22
On November 26 2013 16:18 krndandaman wrote:
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On November 26 2013 15:36 koreasilver wrote:
are you joking? corsair dweb in PvT as "not unheard of"? that game was as clear as a joke game as BW games have ever gone and people LOVED it. both players already failed to qualify for the next rounds so it was a pure game of formality and Pusan took the opportunity to do a fun joke strat and Hiya responded in kind with his own troll shit. what the fuck's the difference? this team already failed to move on and the game was pure formality, so they decided to do a joke game. where's the difference?

"Sportsmanship in E-Sports has crumbled" because of one joke game that made use of a game of pure formality? now that's a fucking joke.

edit: it wasn't Hiya vs Pusan - I'm trying to find out exactly which game it was

edit2: Pusan vs. go.go 2009-12-11


Nope, not joking. corsair dweb has been used several times, especially in PvT. Dragoon sair has been a strong all-in timing if prepared correctly. I remember a handful of games with corsair PvT, there are probably more. It's definitely not the norm and easy to beat if scouted, but I'd put the viability on a similar level as Deep Six.

If both players were out that changes things a bit. Ozone wasn't out of it and they were trying their best to win to get more points. It's a lot less fun when 1 team is trying and 1 isn't. So there's the difference for ya. Oh, and did you ignore the part where I said LoL is more mainstream right now?

These type of games might be fun for you, but not for many others and especially so for sponsors.


I can attest to DWeb-Goon being a legitimate strategy. fOru was known for stomping Terran's out of nowhere with it on the Gamei ladder back in the day (there's an infamous replay of him against Sync).
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51508 Posts
November 26 2013 10:30 GMT
#23
Also, according to Monte, Dark is now dq'ed from Champions?
http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2744&l=2715
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Chexx
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)11232 Posts
November 26 2013 10:35 GMT
#24
yeah saw it but was watching HIMYM and wanted to translate it later

they also are banned from NLB Winter, lose their prizemoney for OGN Winter Ro16 and all the remaining games with Team Dark in it will end with a 15 Teamkill score for the other team
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justiceknight
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Singapore5741 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-26 10:53:08
November 26 2013 10:52 GMT
#25
from Kleague facebook

Team Dark's punishment:
1) Disqualified from OGN and NLB this season. TD will not play any more matches.
1a) Team Dark v. Alienware = Alienware win by default
2) All games played this season are deleted from official records. The opposing teams will be given a compensatory made-up in-game stats: Each team will have a 15K/0D/15A and each individuals will be given 3K/0D/3A for games played against Team Dark. AA will get this record as well.
3) TD will not get any monetary awards; they forfeit prize for being a Ro16 team.

I think I covered everything...
http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2744&l=2715
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
November 26 2013 11:11 GMT
#26
Well I remember that game with Team Dark was lame as fuck. I tuned in and then closed the stream 5 minutes later as it was completely pointless to watch. That game should not have happened like that.
The punishment seems pretty harsh though. If it is a just ruling depends on how well made OGN clear in advance that such behavior is not tolerated imo.
Off-season = best season
Numy
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
South Africa35471 Posts
November 26 2013 12:07 GMT
#27
Talk about overreacting and shifting blame lol
BlueSpace
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany2182 Posts
November 26 2013 12:20 GMT
#28
The punishment seems to be aimed at setting an example. It doesn't really fit the "crime" in my opinion. The intent doesen't seem to have been malicious and it reminds me more of the MLG Rayleigh incident last year. Dignitas and Curse went ARAM one game, because they thought it would be fun.

Naninwa is different in my opinion because he outright didn't want to play and just suicided to his opponent. He even allegedly removed his hands from the keyboard after sending the probes in.

The overall problem is that you're basically punishing players for playing badly. As long as they admit that what they did was done on purpose all is fine. But what do you do when they claim to have executed a bad pocket strat? And what do you do when it appears that they are blatantly lying to you? This might become a slippery slope. In my opinion the respective teams and their fans should punish the players for their behaviour and not Kespa.
Probe1: "Because people are opinionated and love to share their thoughts. Then they read someone else agree with them and get their opinion confused with fact."
TheLink
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia2725 Posts
November 26 2013 13:09 GMT
#29
The overall problem is that you're basically punishing players for playing badly. As long as they admit that what they did was done on purpose all is fine. But what do you do when they claim to have executed a bad pocket strat? And what do you do when it appears that they are blatantly lying to you?


Had a long discussion with a friend on whether the TPA retirement game with the tribute to their worlds win should be looked at as trolling and be punished (hint: its one of the coolest things I've ever seen). We came to the conclusion that the best way really is just an arbitrary decision on whether the game was enjoyed by a majority of viewers. Nestea vs Naniwa clearly wasn't, TPA's retirement game was. I'm not sure what the general reaction to this 5 junglers thing was.
Only the weak link is strong enough to break the chain.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
November 26 2013 13:29 GMT
#30
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
November 26 2013 13:33 GMT
#31
yo who the fuck is hating on dweb pvt? sit the fuck down son you don't know shit.
TranslatorBaa!
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
November 26 2013 15:51 GMT
#32
On November 26 2013 19:52 justiceknight wrote:
from Kleague facebook

Team Dark's punishment:
1) Disqualified from OGN and NLB this season. TD will not play any more matches.
1a) Team Dark v. Alienware = Alienware win by default
2) All games played this season are deleted from official records. The opposing teams will be given a compensatory made-up in-game stats: Each team will have a 15K/0D/15A and each individuals will be given 3K/0D/3A for games played against Team Dark. AA will get this record as well.
3) TD will not get any monetary awards; they forfeit prize for being a Ro16 team.

I think I covered everything...
http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2744&l=2715

grats on ₩ 6,000,000 alienware
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BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
November 26 2013 16:09 GMT
#33
On November 26 2013 13:16 Navi wrote:
they knew that there would be backlash. its pretty implicit in korean gaming culture. they clearly didn't give enough of a fuck or didn't think it through very well, but its not career-endingly bad backlash like apdo's case.


Slightly off topic, but what happened in Apdo's case? I wasn't aware he used to be a proplayer.
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docvoc
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States5491 Posts
November 26 2013 16:21 GMT
#34
On November 27 2013 01:09 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 13:16 Navi wrote:
they knew that there would be backlash. its pretty implicit in korean gaming culture. they clearly didn't give enough of a fuck or didn't think it through very well, but its not career-endingly bad backlash like apdo's case.


Slightly off topic, but what happened in Apdo's case? I wasn't aware he used to be a proplayer.

IIRC boosting killed his career.
User was warned for too many mimes.
suicideyear
Profile Joined December 2012
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
November 26 2013 16:35 GMT
#35
On November 27 2013 01:09 BrownBear wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 26 2013 13:16 Navi wrote:
they knew that there would be backlash. its pretty implicit in korean gaming culture. they clearly didn't give enough of a fuck or didn't think it through very well, but its not career-endingly bad backlash like apdo's case.


Slightly off topic, but what happened in Apdo's case? I wasn't aware he used to be a proplayer.


elo boosted and started messing with the e-sport groupies, got busted shortly after.
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UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
November 26 2013 16:41 GMT
#36
Mh well team dark might have been the sacrificial lamb or something, but it's nice to see OGN/KeSPA/Riot set an example together. I guess the team was destined to get gutted anyway. The player individually don't suffer any punishments, do they? Just the team?
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 26 2013 17:26 GMT
#37
If the seeding wasn't finished then yeah, they should be punished since it screws things up for other teams that aren't themselves. I suppose the main difference is that even if Pusan was using a "fun" troll strat, he at least did try to win with it, and they were both knocked out of the tournament anyway.

and for god's sake citing foru's gamei games does not make dweb PvT relevent in 2009. those are from COMPLETELY different eras. it would be like saying 1base TvZ is legit because Boxer won with it vs Yellow in 2002 or something. and I don't care how contrarian and hipster you try to be, but dweb PvT in 2009 was a completely troll thing that hasn't been seen for YEARS prior to it in a professional game, and never after it until the end of televised BW.
ghrur
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3786 Posts
November 26 2013 17:29 GMT
#38
Shuttle vs Flash.
darkness overpowering
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
November 26 2013 20:22 GMT
#39
Amateur move by an amateur team. Glad to see korea still takes these situations seriously. Very well deserved punishment.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
MayorITC
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Korea (South)798 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-26 21:19:10
November 26 2013 21:01 GMT
#40
The majority of the Korean community is siding with KeSPA on this one. But it's not necessarily because of a "e-Sports is serious in Korea" mentality, although there's no denying that KeSPA is pretty strict on professionalism. But another reason why the community is supporting KeSPA's decision is because of personal reasons. A lot of people hate Team Dark. While Apdo got the main spotlight for being a tool, it wasn't just him who ELO boosted and flamed people in Solo Q. Pretty much everyone in Team Dark were extremely toxic players. People compared TSM's troll games to this, but the difference is that TSM has a huge fan base and had they been punished, the NA community would have revolted, which may or may not have some bearing on sanctions against them. But Team Dark had nothing going for them, yet still chose to do this. They were essentially on probation, just not an official one.

Also, a lot of people are downplaying the importance of these matches.
1) Team Dark was not eliminated from advancing. As slim as their chances were, one would expect a team in a professional tournament to give it their best if they had a chance of advancing.
2) Even if they were eliminated, their games still do matter unlike a lot of the examples cited by some posters here. Because how they do against their opponents can affect the placements of the other teams in the same group as Team Dark. Not to mention the additional bonus payouts for highest KDA in OGN.



Chobra Delivers: (Definitely recommend everyone to read this)
http://willchobra.tumblr.com/post/68159729465/team-darks-disqualification-justified-or-extreme

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