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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 26 2013 19:15 Chexx wrote: and you failed to read too. Seeding wasnt decided yet for the group. Do you guys even read the posts from others? The seeding for Dark required the worse teams in qualifiers 2:0 established teams for a chance of Dark going through. If that's what I recall. Very very unlikely | ||
GTR
51260 Posts
On November 26 2013 16:18 krndandaman wrote: Nope, not joking. corsair dweb has been used several times, especially in PvT. Dragoon sair has been a strong all-in timing if prepared correctly. I remember a handful of games with corsair PvT, there are probably more. It's definitely not the norm and easy to beat if scouted, but I'd put the viability on a similar level as Deep Six. If both players were out that changes things a bit. Ozone wasn't out of it and they were trying their best to win to get more points. It's a lot less fun when 1 team is trying and 1 isn't. So there's the difference for ya. Oh, and did you ignore the part where I said LoL is more mainstream right now? These type of games might be fun for you, but not for many others and especially so for sponsors. I can attest to DWeb-Goon being a legitimate strategy. fOru was known for stomping Terran's out of nowhere with it on the Gamei ladder back in the day (there's an infamous replay of him against Sync). | ||
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GTR
51260 Posts
http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2744&l=2715 | ||
Chexx
Korea (South)11232 Posts
they also are banned from NLB Winter, lose their prizemoney for OGN Winter Ro16 and all the remaining games with Team Dark in it will end with a 15 Teamkill score for the other team | ||
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justiceknight
Singapore5741 Posts
Team Dark's punishment: 1) Disqualified from OGN and NLB this season. TD will not play any more matches. 1a) Team Dark v. Alienware = Alienware win by default 2) All games played this season are deleted from official records. The opposing teams will be given a compensatory made-up in-game stats: Each team will have a 15K/0D/15A and each individuals will be given 3K/0D/3A for games played against Team Dark. AA will get this record as well. 3) TD will not get any monetary awards; they forfeit prize for being a Ro16 team. I think I covered everything... http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2744&l=2715 | ||
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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
The punishment seems pretty harsh though. If it is a just ruling depends on how well made OGN clear in advance that such behavior is not tolerated imo. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
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BlueSpace
Germany2182 Posts
Naninwa is different in my opinion because he outright didn't want to play and just suicided to his opponent. He even allegedly removed his hands from the keyboard after sending the probes in. The overall problem is that you're basically punishing players for playing badly. As long as they admit that what they did was done on purpose all is fine. But what do you do when they claim to have executed a bad pocket strat? And what do you do when it appears that they are blatantly lying to you? This might become a slippery slope. In my opinion the respective teams and their fans should punish the players for their behaviour and not Kespa. | ||
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TheLink
Australia2725 Posts
The overall problem is that you're basically punishing players for playing badly. As long as they admit that what they did was done on purpose all is fine. But what do you do when they claim to have executed a bad pocket strat? And what do you do when it appears that they are blatantly lying to you? Had a long discussion with a friend on whether the TPA retirement game with the tribute to their worlds win should be looked at as trolling and be punished (hint: its one of the coolest things I've ever seen). We came to the conclusion that the best way really is just an arbitrary decision on whether the game was enjoyed by a majority of viewers. Nestea vs Naniwa clearly wasn't, TPA's retirement game was. I'm not sure what the general reaction to this 5 junglers thing was. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21242 Posts
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
On November 26 2013 19:52 justiceknight wrote: from Kleague facebook Team Dark's punishment: 1) Disqualified from OGN and NLB this season. TD will not play any more matches. 1a) Team Dark v. Alienware = Alienware win by default 2) All games played this season are deleted from official records. The opposing teams will be given a compensatory made-up in-game stats: Each team will have a 15K/0D/15A and each individuals will be given 3K/0D/3A for games played against Team Dark. AA will get this record as well. 3) TD will not get any monetary awards; they forfeit prize for being a Ro16 team. I think I covered everything... http://www.inven.co.kr/board/powerbbs.php?come_idx=2744&l=2715 grats on ₩ 6,000,000 alienware | ||
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BrownBear
United States6894 Posts
On November 26 2013 13:16 Navi wrote: they knew that there would be backlash. its pretty implicit in korean gaming culture. they clearly didn't give enough of a fuck or didn't think it through very well, but its not career-endingly bad backlash like apdo's case. Slightly off topic, but what happened in Apdo's case? I wasn't aware he used to be a proplayer. | ||
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docvoc
United States5491 Posts
On November 27 2013 01:09 BrownBear wrote: Slightly off topic, but what happened in Apdo's case? I wasn't aware he used to be a proplayer. IIRC boosting killed his career. | ||
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suicideyear
Ivory Coast3016 Posts
On November 27 2013 01:09 BrownBear wrote: Slightly off topic, but what happened in Apdo's case? I wasn't aware he used to be a proplayer. elo boosted and started messing with the e-sport groupies, got busted shortly after. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
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koreasilver
9109 Posts
and for god's sake citing foru's gamei games does not make dweb PvT relevent in 2009. those are from COMPLETELY different eras. it would be like saying 1base TvZ is legit because Boxer won with it vs Yellow in 2002 or something. and I don't care how contrarian and hipster you try to be, but dweb PvT in 2009 was a completely troll thing that hasn't been seen for YEARS prior to it in a professional game, and never after it until the end of televised BW. | ||
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ghrur
United States3785 Posts
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Canucklehead
Canada5074 Posts
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MayorITC
Korea (South)798 Posts
Also, a lot of people are downplaying the importance of these matches. 1) Team Dark was not eliminated from advancing. As slim as their chances were, one would expect a team in a professional tournament to give it their best if they had a chance of advancing. 2) Even if they were eliminated, their games still do matter unlike a lot of the examples cited by some posters here. Because how they do against their opponents can affect the placements of the other teams in the same group as Team Dark. Not to mention the additional bonus payouts for highest KDA in OGN. Chobra Delivers: (Definitely recommend everyone to read this) http://willchobra.tumblr.com/post/68159729465/team-darks-disqualification-justified-or-extreme | ||
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