President Jun Byung-Hun's Letter about Team Dark - Page 3
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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GTR
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The point that I'm trying to make is that Corsair/Goon in PvT isn't an auto-loss strategy like what Team Dark did. | ||
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baekgom84
Korea (South)375 Posts
By throwing a competitive fixture like this, they are essentially disrespecting the integrity of the competition. There have been troll games before, but as I recall, those were only when the final standings were already completely decided. Blaming the tournament structure is a poor excuse - there are always going to be uncompetitive games in a league structure. That doesn't give teams the right to blatantly throw games. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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overt
United States9006 Posts
Especially since Ozone's seeding wasn't determined and Team Dark wasn't actually eliminated yet. | ||
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Jindo
United States1305 Posts
Mid laner plls from Team Dark gives his side of the story: "Before the game started, we asked the judges inside the booth if we were allowed to troll pick. The judges said it did not matter. How would we, players who had just arrived an hour earlier to get our make up done for broadcasting, know the rules that even the judges did not know? If the judges had replied that there would be sanctions, we would never have played out the troll game. We were not very eager to go on beyond the best of 16 and we had achieved our initial goal. Moreover, had there been a forfeit option we would have taken it, however the Producer called and told us that he would sue us if we did not come for the profile shooting or the actual game. Two of our teammates don't live in Seoul and it took them four hours and transportation costs that OGN did not provide for them..." (mentions teammates facebook post about the event, kind of irrelevant imo) "I would like to ask one question to OGN: Had we been told that we would be punished, we would never have acted accordingly. How would players know the rules that even the judges were unaware of ?" Source: http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=leagueoflegends1&no=4517409&page=1&exception_mode=recommend Chobra's response Doa's response | ||
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GTR
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supernovamaniac
United States3047 Posts
Sure, they won't tell you that you'll get punished in the first place if you guys just wanted to pick those 5 champions and play seriously. Never told the judges that you wanted to troll on purpose. | ||
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baekgom84
Korea (South)375 Posts
Besides that, as many people have said, the problem wasn't necessarily the troll picks. The problem was that they clearly had no strategy and no desire to win. Regardless of what the OGN judges may have told them, what kind of team decides to throw a game so obviously, especially one that can affect the outcome of the group? Practically speaking, if they were smart, they would have been a little more subtle, but instead they were incredibly dumb and made a farce of the whole thing. Pretty disgusting behavior if you ask me. I'd throw in a few bans on top of their existing punishment. | ||
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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baekgom84
Korea (South)375 Posts
On November 27 2013 20:04 krndandaman wrote: ^ to be fair tho, the travelling part is all relative. for me as well, going from seoul to busan and back from busan to seoul wasn't that bad either. just 2 hours on KTX. coming home from college is 5 hours for me back in the USA. but people in korea seem to feel that it's a really long travel and hassle, especially those who don't know seoul well. I remember getting kinda disappointed by some friends who I had to beg for to come out from just ulsan/daejeon to seoul to visit me. they said that the travel is way too long and seoul confuses them. didn't understand at first but there are people who go travel 2hours maybe only once or twice per year in korea. Yeah, that's true I guess. Still, it's pretty pathetic of them to complain about the travel issue, when they only had three games to play in the group stages (six max if they made it to the final). I mean, I teach students who make a two hour commute (one way) on a daily basis. This is the most prestigious LoL tournament in Korea and one of the most competitive leagues in the world we're talking about, and IIRC they only managed to sneak a spot because of a favourable draw. It just boggles my mind. | ||
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UmberBane
Germany5450 Posts
On November 27 2013 21:20 baekgom84 wrote: Yeah, that's true I guess. Still, it's pretty pathetic of them to complain about the travel issue, when they only had three games to play in the group stages (six max if they made it to the final). I mean, I teach students who make a two hour commute (one way) on a daily basis. This is the most prestigious LoL tournament in Korea and one of the most competitive leagues in the world we're talking about, and IIRC they only managed to sneak a spot because of a favourable draw. It just boggles my mind. Yup, I believe they played against team Mook? Someone of that caliber at least, while KTA, IM, Xenics, Alienwares all knocked each other out (not sure about Alienware's caliber of play though). | ||
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Tula
Austria1544 Posts
On November 27 2013 16:08 Jindo wrote: Translated by paynejiwon on reddit Mid laner plls from Team Dark gives his side of the story: "Before the game started, we asked the judges inside the booth if we were allowed to troll pick. The judges said it did not matter. How would we, players who had just arrived an hour earlier to get our make up done for broadcasting, know the rules that even the judges did not know? If the judges had replied that there would be sanctions, we would never have played out the troll game. We were not very eager to go on beyond the best of 16 and we had achieved our initial goal. Moreover, had there been a forfeit option we would have taken it, however the Producer called and told us that he would sue us if we did not come for the profile shooting or the actual game. Two of our teammates don't live in Seoul and it took them four hours and transportation costs that OGN did not provide for them..." (mentions teammates facebook post about the event, kind of irrelevant imo) "I would like to ask one question to OGN: Had we been told that we would be punished, we would never have acted accordingly. How would players know the rules that even the judges were unaware of ?" Source: http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=leagueoflegends1&no=4517409&page=1&exception_mode=recommend Chobra's response Doa's response Frankly that is an idiotic excuse. Yes you are allowed to troll pick most likely. If you run whatever non-standard comp you want and try your hardest no caster would complain. They might say something like "maybe they should have picked standard" but there would be no reason to discuss consequences. Instead they picked a troll comp and then did their level best to throw the game. their multiple smites had no role at all (they could have tried to invade red and blue at the same time to use them) they didn't even try to cs and they spent more time throwing wards than defending their towers. Concerning the travel time, maybe that is something they should have considered before they tried to qualify for the tournament. It isn't a secret where OGN is being played... | ||
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Dandel Ion
Austria17960 Posts
On November 27 2013 21:55 Tula wrote: Frankly that is an idiotic excuse. Yes you are allowed to troll pick most likely. If you run whatever non-standard comp you want and try your hardest no caster would complain. They might say something like "maybe they should have picked standard" but there would be no reason to discuss consequences. Instead they picked a troll comp and then did their level best to throw the game. their multiple smites had no role at all (they could have tried to invade red and blue at the same time to use them) they didn't even try to cs and they spent more time throwing wards than defending their towers. Concerning the travel time, maybe that is something they should have considered before they tried to qualify for the tournament. It isn't a secret where OGN is being played... They should argue that they're really bad players and can't play any better imo. In fact, if they really had no intentions to advance at all (I doubt this) and just wanted the Ro16 money they should have just played like utter garbage in all games. Then it would have looked like they're trying to do some special taktiks and just failing normally. | ||
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