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President Jun Byung-Hun's Letter about Team Dark - Page 3

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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 00:35:10
November 27 2013 00:05 GMT
#41
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51515 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 01:26:46
November 27 2013 01:26 GMT
#42



The point that I'm trying to make is that Corsair/Goon in PvT isn't an auto-loss strategy like what Team Dark did.
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baekgom84
Profile Joined May 2013
Korea (South)375 Posts
November 27 2013 02:59 GMT
#43
IMO the punishment was completely justified. I really hope that the same people who (legitimately) complain about e-sports not being taken seriously enough are not the same people trying to dismiss this incident as 'just a bit of harmless fun'. If a similar incident happened in, say, the English Premier League, or the NFL, it would be a massive scandal. The Korean e-sports scene has already had enough problems with thrown games and fixed matches as it is. I also don't know why people are saying that Dark were already out; maybe my math is off, but as far as I can tell they still had a (very slim) chance of qualifying depending on other results.

By throwing a competitive fixture like this, they are essentially disrespecting the integrity of the competition. There have been troll games before, but as I recall, those were only when the final standings were already completely decided. Blaming the tournament structure is a poor excuse - there are always going to be uncompetitive games in a league structure. That doesn't give teams the right to blatantly throw games.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
November 27 2013 03:05 GMT
#44
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overt
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States9006 Posts
November 27 2013 03:10 GMT
#45
I think the punishment is justified. I would've been fine with their joke comp but at one point about four minutes in they just stopped trying and devolved to intentional feeding and mass warding their own base. If they picked that comp and ran semi-standard lanes and actually attempted to try and didn't sell all their items to mass ward their base I think the reaction would've been a lot more reserved.

Especially since Ozone's seeding wasn't determined and Team Dark wasn't actually eliminated yet.
Jindo
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1305 Posts
November 27 2013 07:08 GMT
#46
Translated by paynejiwon on reddit
Mid laner plls from Team Dark gives his side of the story:

"Before the game started, we asked the judges inside the booth if we were allowed to troll pick. The judges said it did not matter. How would we, players who had just arrived an hour earlier to get our make up done for broadcasting, know the rules that even the judges did not know? If the judges had replied that there would be sanctions, we would never have played out the troll game. We were not very eager to go on beyond the best of 16 and we had achieved our initial goal. Moreover, had there been a forfeit option we would have taken it, however the Producer called and told us that he would sue us if we did not come for the profile shooting or the actual game. Two of our teammates don't live in Seoul and it took them four hours and transportation costs that OGN did not provide for them..."
(mentions teammates facebook post about the event, kind of irrelevant imo)
"I would like to ask one question to OGN: Had we been told that we would be punished, we would never have acted accordingly. How would players know the rules that even the judges were unaware of ?"

Source: http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=leagueoflegends1&no=4517409&page=1&exception_mode=recommend

Chobra's response
Doa's response
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51515 Posts
November 27 2013 07:42 GMT
#47
Oh boy, when the word 'sue' gets mentioned, stuff is going to get #dicey.
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supernovamaniac
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States3047 Posts
November 27 2013 07:55 GMT
#48
Funny how some interpret it as judges allowed TD to troll in that game, when the literal translation implies that they were allowed to pick those 5 champions.

Sure, they won't tell you that you'll get punished in the first place if you guys just wanted to pick those 5 champions and play seriously. Never told the judges that you wanted to troll on purpose.
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baekgom84
Profile Joined May 2013
Korea (South)375 Posts
November 27 2013 10:58 GMT
#49
That excuse sounds like a cop-out to me. First of all, what on Earth are they doing competing in OGN if they aren't even interested in going beyond the Ro16? It sucks that OGN didn't provide any of the transportation costs, but let's face it: all they had to do was ride out the rest of the relatively short season, and collect the prize money for finishing at the bottom of the table, with potentially more rewards from NLB. I'd rather they just not compete at all and offer up their spot to a team who are willing to deal with the modest travel arrangements (I've made the Seoul-Busan day trip a couple of times, Korea's just not really that big) in order to compete in arguably the strongest domestic LoL competition in the world. Look at what Gambit go through.

Besides that, as many people have said, the problem wasn't necessarily the troll picks. The problem was that they clearly had no strategy and no desire to win. Regardless of what the OGN judges may have told them, what kind of team decides to throw a game so obviously, especially one that can affect the outcome of the group? Practically speaking, if they were smart, they would have been a little more subtle, but instead they were incredibly dumb and made a farce of the whole thing. Pretty disgusting behavior if you ask me. I'd throw in a few bans on top of their existing punishment.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
November 27 2013 11:04 GMT
#50
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baekgom84
Profile Joined May 2013
Korea (South)375 Posts
November 27 2013 12:20 GMT
#51
On November 27 2013 20:04 krndandaman wrote:
^
to be fair tho, the travelling part is all relative.
for me as well, going from seoul to busan and back from busan to seoul wasn't that bad either. just 2 hours on KTX. coming home from college is 5 hours for me back in the USA. but people in korea seem to feel that it's a really long travel and hassle, especially those who don't know seoul well.

I remember getting kinda disappointed by some friends who I had to beg for to come out from just ulsan/daejeon to seoul to visit me. they said that the travel is way too long and seoul confuses them. didn't understand at first but there are people who go travel 2hours maybe only once or twice per year in korea.


Yeah, that's true I guess. Still, it's pretty pathetic of them to complain about the travel issue, when they only had three games to play in the group stages (six max if they made it to the final). I mean, I teach students who make a two hour commute (one way) on a daily basis. This is the most prestigious LoL tournament in Korea and one of the most competitive leagues in the world we're talking about, and IIRC they only managed to sneak a spot because of a favourable draw. It just boggles my mind.
UmberBane
Profile Joined March 2013
Germany5450 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-27 12:41:26
November 27 2013 12:41 GMT
#52
On November 27 2013 21:20 baekgom84 wrote:
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On November 27 2013 20:04 krndandaman wrote:
^
to be fair tho, the travelling part is all relative.
for me as well, going from seoul to busan and back from busan to seoul wasn't that bad either. just 2 hours on KTX. coming home from college is 5 hours for me back in the USA. but people in korea seem to feel that it's a really long travel and hassle, especially those who don't know seoul well.

I remember getting kinda disappointed by some friends who I had to beg for to come out from just ulsan/daejeon to seoul to visit me. they said that the travel is way too long and seoul confuses them. didn't understand at first but there are people who go travel 2hours maybe only once or twice per year in korea.


Yeah, that's true I guess. Still, it's pretty pathetic of them to complain about the travel issue, when they only had three games to play in the group stages (six max if they made it to the final). I mean, I teach students who make a two hour commute (one way) on a daily basis. This is the most prestigious LoL tournament in Korea and one of the most competitive leagues in the world we're talking about, and IIRC they only managed to sneak a spot because of a favourable draw. It just boggles my mind.


Yup, I believe they played against team Mook? Someone of that caliber at least, while KTA, IM, Xenics, Alienwares all knocked each other out (not sure about Alienware's caliber of play though).
Tula
Profile Joined December 2010
Austria1544 Posts
November 27 2013 12:55 GMT
#53
On November 27 2013 16:08 Jindo wrote:
Translated by paynejiwon on reddit
Mid laner plls from Team Dark gives his side of the story:

"Before the game started, we asked the judges inside the booth if we were allowed to troll pick. The judges said it did not matter. How would we, players who had just arrived an hour earlier to get our make up done for broadcasting, know the rules that even the judges did not know? If the judges had replied that there would be sanctions, we would never have played out the troll game. We were not very eager to go on beyond the best of 16 and we had achieved our initial goal. Moreover, had there been a forfeit option we would have taken it, however the Producer called and told us that he would sue us if we did not come for the profile shooting or the actual game. Two of our teammates don't live in Seoul and it took them four hours and transportation costs that OGN did not provide for them..."
(mentions teammates facebook post about the event, kind of irrelevant imo)
"I would like to ask one question to OGN: Had we been told that we would be punished, we would never have acted accordingly. How would players know the rules that even the judges were unaware of ?"

Source: http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=leagueoflegends1&no=4517409&page=1&exception_mode=recommend

Chobra's response
Doa's response


Frankly that is an idiotic excuse. Yes you are allowed to troll pick most likely. If you run whatever non-standard comp you want and try your hardest no caster would complain. They might say something like "maybe they should have picked standard" but there would be no reason to discuss consequences.

Instead they picked a troll comp and then did their level best to throw the game. their multiple smites had no role at all (they could have tried to invade red and blue at the same time to use them) they didn't even try to cs and they spent more time throwing wards than defending their towers.

Concerning the travel time, maybe that is something they should have considered before they tried to qualify for the tournament. It isn't a secret where OGN is being played...
Dandel Ion
Profile Joined November 2010
Austria17960 Posts
November 27 2013 13:04 GMT
#54
On November 27 2013 21:55 Tula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 27 2013 16:08 Jindo wrote:
Translated by paynejiwon on reddit
Mid laner plls from Team Dark gives his side of the story:

"Before the game started, we asked the judges inside the booth if we were allowed to troll pick. The judges said it did not matter. How would we, players who had just arrived an hour earlier to get our make up done for broadcasting, know the rules that even the judges did not know? If the judges had replied that there would be sanctions, we would never have played out the troll game. We were not very eager to go on beyond the best of 16 and we had achieved our initial goal. Moreover, had there been a forfeit option we would have taken it, however the Producer called and told us that he would sue us if we did not come for the profile shooting or the actual game. Two of our teammates don't live in Seoul and it took them four hours and transportation costs that OGN did not provide for them..."
(mentions teammates facebook post about the event, kind of irrelevant imo)
"I would like to ask one question to OGN: Had we been told that we would be punished, we would never have acted accordingly. How would players know the rules that even the judges were unaware of ?"

Source: http://gall.dcinside.com/board/view/?id=leagueoflegends1&no=4517409&page=1&exception_mode=recommend

Chobra's response
Doa's response


Frankly that is an idiotic excuse. Yes you are allowed to troll pick most likely. If you run whatever non-standard comp you want and try your hardest no caster would complain. They might say something like "maybe they should have picked standard" but there would be no reason to discuss consequences.

Instead they picked a troll comp and then did their level best to throw the game. their multiple smites had no role at all (they could have tried to invade red and blue at the same time to use them) they didn't even try to cs and they spent more time throwing wards than defending their towers.

Concerning the travel time, maybe that is something they should have considered before they tried to qualify for the tournament. It isn't a secret where OGN is being played...

They should argue that they're really bad players and can't play any better imo.

In fact, if they really had no intentions to advance at all (I doubt this) and just wanted the Ro16 money they should have just played like utter garbage in all games. Then it would have looked like they're trying to do some special taktiks and just failing normally.
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