[Patch 3.14] PreSeason 4 General Discussion - Page 199
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krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Na I'm not that great of a poet, its more like I'm Ghandi's smurf when he wants to QQ. Plus I would have added in the story that Annie did indeed suck, because she's way too much of a dick to Viktor not to be massively advantaged in the match-up. On December 11 2013 10:20 Lord Tolkien wrote: Viktor in NACL. http://www.twitch.tv/naclesports That Viktor skin is so dope. WHO WHERE WHEN WHICH TEAMS HOW DID THE GAME GO DETAILS NOW On December 11 2013 10:26 WiseBagus wrote: Full Machine is the only way to go. More importantly who wins in Viktor vs Elise? Soniv smurf spotted. Or Soniv's minion. Whatever, somebody making an appearance spouting such heresies doesn't deserve to be considered any better. Elise should win because stupid dps thanks to spiderlings, she can easily dodge E/get out of W/leave R or dodge it altogether with Rappel, she's got slightly more range and better animations so she can auto/Q harass without him being able to retaliate (he can Q, but longer cd, less damage, and the shield comes too late). She assists ganks better too. He'll push harder once he gets level 7 + augment, but he has to hold until then while she can freely bully him, and she's bullshit in the midgame with her 80-0 combo on a ~12s cd while he relies on his ult (120s flat) and he doesn't scale as well as her off MPen. He's got more AoE damage but less catching/picking potential later in the game so his utility is weaker in most situations (stronger in the others, notably peeling/fighting several divers, disengaging through narrow pathwys, etc.). He'll poke better, though. | ||
krndandaman
Mozambique16569 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
Morgana - spell vamp passive QW/RW/RQW are all combos I understand, I understand E as a means to prevent her from getting stunned/slowed and not being able to keep up with people she ults. where does the vamp fit in? Malzahar - voidling passive I suspect that this is a means to account for the fact that he suppresses himself during his ultimate. They scale with his attack damage and arpen, so it's like he's autoattacking for the duration of his ult if he has a voidling up, mitigating some of the damage that he loses by suppressing himself? | ||
Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
WHO WHERE WHEN WHICH TEAMS HOW DID THE GAME GO DETAILS NOW 5th game of the Superweek, VES vs Crs Academy. Stefano picks up Viktor against mid Elise. He (and the rest of the VES replacement) get crapped on by Eve. Also Fabbby gatekeeper. And Jaximus. On the bright side, Viktor had almost half the kills for VES (5/11)! On December 11 2013 20:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: can anyone explain these kit "synergies" to me? Morgana - spell vamp passive QW/RW/RQW are all combos I understand, I understand E as a means to prevent her from getting stunned/slowed and not being able to keep up with people she ults. where does the vamp fit in? Malzahar - voidling passive I suspect that this is a means to account for the fact that he suppresses himself during his ultimate. They scale with his attack damage and arpen, so it's like he's autoattacking for the duration of his ult if he has a voidling up, mitigating some of the damage that he loses by suppressing himself? On Spell Vamp: helps her sustain and gives her some additional "burst healing" with her full AoE combo. Not alot, but it adds to her survivability, and, a long time ago, it made her laning with her W. On Malz: promotes spell spam during critical fights, requires management level 1 and in lane to assist in pushing (voidlings are what give Malz the ability to push well early), and add a deceptively high amount of damage to his combo if you have multiple up and/or frenzied. | ||
Alaric
France45622 Posts
Plus lore, obv. Gives the champion additional character (added bonus of fueling the Kog = Malz's pet fan arts). Morgana is safe because Black Shield is a strong as heck defensive ability, plus slow/stun on ult and long root on Q. Passive gives some sustain (it used to be hp5, long long ago), which also adds safety since it'll work primarily off of W which has a soomewhat decent range and used to be able to clear waves mostly by itself (not anymore because most of the cast can lolfaceroll and one-shot the wave, I'm also looking at you manaless clearing bullshit like Riven or Zed). Also lore I guess, sapping her enemies' life with her dark magic. Edit; thanks for the Viktor info! Yeah if it's EG I don't really care then. | ||
Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
On December 11 2013 20:36 Alaric wrote: Voidlings aggro whoever has Malzahar E on them. Stuff has a good range and bounces. His Q has a good range. His ult can keep people in place (works with W too). So the voidlings let him add some harass to people, or zone them better (you get away when E is on the minions so it doesn't bounce, you get away when it's on you because voidlings). Plus lore, obv. Gives the champion additional character (added bonus of fueling the Kog = Malz's pet fan arts). Morgana is safe because Black Shield is a strong as heck defensive ability, plus slow/stun on ult and long root on Q. Passive gives some sustain (it used to be hp5, long long ago), which also adds safety since it'll work primarily off of W which has a soomewhat decent range and used to be able to clear waves mostly by itself (not anymore because most of the cast can lolfaceroll and one-shot the wave, I'm also looking at you manaless clearing bullshit like Riven or Zed). Also lore I guess, sapping her enemies' life with her dark magic. Edit; thanks for the Viktor info! Yeah if it's EG I don't really care then. It's not EG (yet). What I saw was a bunch of NA solo-Q stars (RFLegendary and some others I think). Additionally with Morg, Smite procs her passive (as single target damage). Jungle Morg folks, it's real. All the sustainnnn. :s | ||
-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
I guess her sustain with Spectral Wraith is Fiddle-level. :O You max Tormented Soil first I guess in jungle ? | ||
Lord Tolkien
United States12083 Posts
Getting a few points in Tormented is enough to give you unparalleled lane tax potential tho. | ||
cLutZ
United States19558 Posts
On December 11 2013 20:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: can anyone explain these kit "synergies" to me? Morgana - spell vamp passive QW/RW/RQW are all combos I understand, I understand E as a means to prevent her from getting stunned/slowed and not being able to keep up with people she ults. where does the vamp fit in? Malzahar - voidling passive I suspect that this is a means to account for the fact that he suppresses himself during his ultimate. They scale with his attack damage and arpen, so it's like he's autoattacking for the duration of his ult if he has a voidling up, mitigating some of the damage that he loses by suppressing himself? QWR is the best all in combo most of the time, IMO. Spell vamp serves a few purposes: 1. Let her push endlessly and stay topped off. That + Black shield means you could stay at turret to fish for Q without much worry about gank CC. 2. She has a short, crappy AA animation. 3. Its actually a good amount of regen in a fight, and you are in the middle. Edit: The Wight camp is stupid. Its much too tanky right now to to take as a toplaner if you are getting zoned before they take your tower. I guess the 3 jungle/top Warwicks probably appreciate it, but who else? | ||
ketchup
14521 Posts
Also, do you know the reason they dropped patoy? I believe patoy could have been seriously strong in this new patch. Is patoy still playing or did he retire(and so it was more that patoy retired, but dignitas did not really announce it?). It's been something I'm wondering about, and it would be cool to see this answered even if it is not an official answer! Mostly, I ask because I honestly believe Patoy to be such a strong presence in dignitas, and I always found it really odd that he was dropped in favor of kiwikid playing support. This confuses me so so much. | ||
Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:25 ketchup wrote: Vlanitak, can you comment on what you think Dig's chances against Alliance are in Battle of the Atlantic? Do you think you guys have a chance? Also, do you know the reason they dropped patoy? I believe patoy could have been seriously strong in this new patch. Is patoy still playing or did he retire(and so it was more that patoy retired, but dignitas did not really announce it?). It's been something I'm wondering about, and it would be cool to see this answered even if it is not an official answer! Mostly, I ask because I honestly believe Patoy to be such a strong presence in dignitas, and I always found it really odd that he was dropped in favor of kiwikid playing support. This confuses me so so much. Dlift said dignitas gave patoy an ultimatum and he didn't follow through so they removed him. I don't think he was at liberty to go beyond that though. | ||
ketchup
14521 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:32 Fusilero wrote: Dlift said dignitas gave patoy an ultimatum and he didn't follow through so they removed him. I don't think he was at liberty to go beyond that though. That's interesting, but that's so little information. It can be interpreted in many ways, and sadly the general public doesn't care for patoy so we never got a good reason from dignitas. I wanted to know because I sincerely felt patoy was one of the best support on NA server. Thank you for making it a bit more clear on my side though! | ||
Gorsameth
Netherlands20860 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:38 ketchup wrote: That's interesting, but that's so little information. It can be interpreted in many ways, and sadly the general public doesn't care for patoy so we never got a good reason from dignitas. I wanted to know because I sincerely felt patoy was one of the best support on NA server. Thank you for making it a bit more clear on my side though! Doesnt matter if your the best player in the world. If you dont follow through with your obligations, which i assume is the problem if he got an "ultimatum", you get kicked. Thats how teams and contracts work. | ||
Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On December 11 2013 23:38 ketchup wrote: That's interesting, but that's so little information. It can be interpreted in many ways, and sadly the general public doesn't care for patoy so we never got a good reason from dignitas. I wanted to know because I sincerely felt patoy was one of the best support on NA server. Thank you for making it a bit more clear on my side though! Well iirc lisha said patoy doesn't do much besides scrim and play LCS, maybe they wanted him to be more proactive. | ||
WiseBagus
Canada452 Posts
On December 11 2013 10:26 WiseBagus wrote: Full Machine is the only way to go. More importantly who wins in Viktor vs Elise? Soniv smurf spotted. Or Soniv's minion. Whatever, somebody making an appearance spouting such heresies doesn't deserve to be considered any better. Elise should win because stupid dps thanks to spiderlings, she can easily dodge E/get out of W/leave R or dodge it altogether with Rappel, she's got slightly more range and better animations so she can auto/Q harass without him being able to retaliate (he can Q, but longer cd, less damage, and the shield comes too late). She assists ganks better too. He'll push harder once he gets level 7 + augment, but he has to hold until then while she can freely bully him, and she's bullshit in the midgame with her 80-0 combo on a ~12s cd while he relies on his ult (120s flat) and he doesn't scale as well as her off MPen. He's got more AoE damage but less catching/picking potential later in the game so his utility is weaker in most situations (stronger in the others, notably peeling/fighting several divers, disengaging through narrow pathwys, etc.). He'll poke better, though.[/QUOTE] Other than beating Vitkor is she viable mid in any other way? | ||
phyvo
United States5635 Posts
On December 11 2013 19:57 Alaric wrote: WHO WHERE WHEN WHICH TEAMS HOW DID THE GAME GO DETAILS NOW Velocity pick him vs Curse Academy, day one NACL, vs Elise mid. Viktor kept up in CS but died to eve ganks because eve is BS and nocturne couldn't apply similar map pressure. Combined with botlane dying to trist/leona all-in and more eve ganks curse took a commanding lead through the whole game. | ||
-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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Crownlol
United States3726 Posts
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