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krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
December 11 2013 10:09 GMT
#3961
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Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
December 11 2013 10:57 GMT
#3962
Eh, whatever, what toxicity Bjergsen lacks compared to Regi he makes up for with cockiness and childishness. Not really an upgrade wrt likable players.

On December 11 2013 13:16 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 11:46 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
So as i sit here with tissues soaked with blood just lying all around me, I realize that I just played one of the weirdest games of my life.

This shit is long, read if you dare. It starts out mundane, but things really escalate quickly. Also don't read if you're squeamish about blood, lol
+ Show Spoiler +
I enter the game, and do a simple calling of ADC, since I'm second pick. Then the third pick, immediately after me, calls ADC as well. I ask him why he should be adc, since I'm reasonable and was willing to give up the role if I had to (being second pick, I could have gone anywhere I chose). The guy explains that he's a plat who fell way down thanks to duoing with a friend, but he only got to plat by playing adc and mid, which was already called by the firstpick. I shrug, give it to him, what the hell. He picks Ezreal, and seems pretty gracious.

The game starts, and right as it begins my nose starts twitching in a most ominous way. I know this feeling, and I shudder as I realize that a bloody nose is coming on (my bloody noses are silent killers. They watch, wait, and when the time is right, attack with force and brutal rapidity). As I do my best to keep inhaling through my nose and not let any blood spill out, the Ezreal gets firstblood and starts acting incredibly obnoxious to the enemy team. He then gets really overconfident from this 1/0/0 score, and starts harping on our annie mid, telling her how shitty she is (this guy wasn't a troll, just straight-up toxic). I get worried, and being the being the beautifully eloquent teenager that I am, I type a gruff "shut the fuck up." My mood coming into that game, combined with the fact that I was actively trying to conserve words due to my allocating of my focus to stopping blood from pouring out of my nose, made for a very rude and ineffective sentence. I had now become the other dick.

Meanwhile Ezreal starts bitching on how annoying it is that he has to carry every game that he plays thanks to "these shitter golds." Annie, who was the cause of this proclamation, was 0/3/0, and on the verge of ragequitting thanks to the constant harassment that she was enduring from both sides. I get angry at the Ez, as was inevitable, but refrained from typing. However, one thing he said that was just absolute BS made me yell out "what the fuck?!?!?!" very loudly. As it turns out, trying to keep the blood IN one's nose does not go hand in hand with yelling out expletives. All this built-up blood sprayed from my mouth and nose all over my computer and clothes, and as of my typing this, a good deal of it is still on my screen.

I get incredibly frustrated from this, which just makes me bleed even more profusely than before. Since my "setup" is me lying down on my bed, playing with a netbook on my lap, there's cords and books on top of me that stop me from easily getting up. But as the blood poors, I realize that I have no choice but to cowboy up, and I just flip it all off of me to quickly bolt for the bathroom. My blood is going everywhere, spraying the walls as I continue to mix the bursty, discontinuous streams of red with a pure jetstream of valuable and potentially reusable expletives. Meanwhile, I can feel the Ezreal getting mad at me for going AFK. 1 minute later I've gathered the necessary tissues to being playing, and I make a beeline for my room again, a Kleenex hastily shoved up against my right nostril. I leap onto the bed, gather up what remains of my sloppy rig, and dump it at my feet as I sit up and realize what I must do. I'm two levels and 60 cs down, playing with a netbook at my feet, thighs hugging my chest as my kneecaps press against the tissue held up against my nose, three layers strong.

I yell to the wind "fuck it!," and immediately rush mid, swapping out tissues with great speed and haste every thirty seconds, as if I were an assembly factory. I can barely see the screen thanks to my right eyeball pressed against my knee, but I can see just enough to know that I was going to dive the Viktor, who currently possessed full health, which was quite a bit considering my levl 6 wukong at 35% HP. However, this depressed, downtrodden Annie sees my glorious white armor (General Wukong op) and is inspired. We work as a beautiful unit, as she flashes in to land the tibbers stun and I dive in, staff shining in the sun of the rift, and Viktor soars skyward, knocked up by the Wukong ultimate. Wukong's cheers of exhilaration are heard as he spins out of tower range, while the steaming pile of gears and junk that had once been Viktor lays gruesomely disassembled.

The enemy Yi gets fed and pulls out a quadrakill with me surviving sub-100 hp, and so that was a buzzkill.

But then, as we lost our middle inhibitor turret, as the Ezreal screams and rages from the summoner fountain, as my allied Sejuani silently recalls from her place in the top lane, as the Annie desperately tries to clear the wave at our inhib, a sentence appears that few people, least of all me, expected to see.

"Lol whatever. I'm leaving."

Viktor decided to afk. Ezreal was about to get Gold 2, why not give him the win? It was with that reason that Viktor left the game.

We were back in it.

This Ezreal kid decided it was up to him to carry after all. He was the chosen one. We didn't have the game won yet, as the Yi was insanely fed, but we did know that we had the most bullshit CC we could hope for. The game was practically ours.

Then, once again, I was struck dumb by the realization of a cold, hard truth.

I was out of tissues.

Suddenly, as if right on queue, this song comes up. Please play it as you read this.



The game was on a timer now. How much blood would I suffer to get onto my personal belongings before I decided to turn life around?

Then, I remember one thing a wise man had said, before I had started upon this path.

"Chicks dig elo."

There was no mercy now.

THE TIME IS NOW

THE DAY IS HERE

As a team of five bold warriors, we marched across the map just as the chorus reaches its apex. It was beautiful. The enemy team charged at us, meeting us headfirst in the middle of the map, as the final clash to decide all wars began. The Yi started by dodging the first two stuns (Annie and Sej) with an Alpha Strike, and slaying the Annie nearly instantly. Ezreal, who was fed, picked off their ADC and support. Sona ulted the last one, who was again taken down by the Ezreal. But as he got that kill, the Yi 's Alpha Strike returned, and he slashed through Ezreal like a cake. It was seemingly done by an afterimage, as he then leaped into the Sej and began cutting her down. She was like a mighty oak, helpless against Paul Bunyan's mighty steel. All hope, it seemed, was lost.

Legend has it that the "cry heard 'round the world" still echoes on in dark caverns and spacey glaciers, never really failing. As that cry tore from the lips of a bloodied, battered GhandiEAGLE, he charged into the Yi, who was sitting at 20% of his health.

Blood flew from my nose, spattering my room, careening off of walls and posters and splashing upon the wooden floor. The blood ran free, yes, but not as free as my spirit. I used all of my abilities, my soul burning like the sun, and bursted that Yi down. He fell with a weak cry, crumpling to the ground as the Wukong of Legend continued swirling around with his magic staff, a euphoric cry echoing from both his lips and mine. The enemy team, demoralized by such a beautiful moment, surrendered.

I reveled in my crazy victory as the world seemed to spin around me. I was drunk on the strength of my spirit.

No, wait, my head was spinning because I was dizzy. Because I lost a LOT of blood.

My room is a fucking mess.

...I need to lie down.

Confirmed Alaric smurf.

Na I'm not that great of a poet, its more like I'm Ghandi's smurf when he wants to QQ. Plus I would have added in the story that Annie did indeed suck, because she's way too much of a dick to Viktor not to be massively advantaged in the match-up.

On December 11 2013 10:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Viktor in NACL.

http://www.twitch.tv/naclesports

That Viktor skin is so dope.

WHO WHERE WHEN WHICH TEAMS HOW DID THE GAME GO DETAILS NOW

On December 11 2013 10:26 WiseBagus wrote:
Full Machine is the only way to go. More importantly who wins in Viktor vs Elise?

Soniv smurf spotted. Or Soniv's minion. Whatever, somebody making an appearance spouting such heresies doesn't deserve to be considered any better.


Elise should win because stupid dps thanks to spiderlings, she can easily dodge E/get out of W/leave R or dodge it altogether with Rappel, she's got slightly more range and better animations so she can auto/Q harass without him being able to retaliate (he can Q, but longer cd, less damage, and the shield comes too late).
She assists ganks better too.

He'll push harder once he gets level 7 + augment, but he has to hold until then while she can freely bully him, and she's bullshit in the midgame with her 80-0 combo on a ~12s cd while he relies on his ult (120s flat) and he doesn't scale as well as her off MPen. He's got more AoE damage but less catching/picking potential later in the game so his utility is weaker in most situations (stronger in the others, notably peeling/fighting several divers, disengaging through narrow pathwys, etc.).
He'll poke better, though.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
krndandaman
Profile Joined August 2009
Mozambique16569 Posts
December 11 2013 11:09 GMT
#3963
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Canada12499 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 11:15:39
December 11 2013 11:14 GMT
#3964
can anyone explain these kit "synergies" to me?

Morgana - spell vamp passive

QW/RW/RQW are all combos I understand, I understand E as a means to prevent her from getting stunned/slowed and not being able to keep up with people she ults. where does the vamp fit in?

Malzahar - voidling passive

I suspect that this is a means to account for the fact that he suppresses himself during his ultimate. They scale with his attack damage and arpen, so it's like he's autoattacking for the duration of his ult if he has a voidling up, mitigating some of the damage that he loses by suppressing himself?
ALEXISONFIRE ARE FUCKING BACK (sAviOr for life)
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 11:36:44
December 11 2013 11:33 GMT
#3965
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 10:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Viktor in NACL.

http://www.twitch.tv/naclesports

That Viktor skin is so dope.

WHO WHERE WHEN WHICH TEAMS HOW DID THE GAME GO DETAILS NOW

5th game of the Superweek, VES vs Crs Academy. Stefano picks up Viktor against mid Elise.

He (and the rest of the VES replacement) get crapped on by Eve. Also Fabbby gatekeeper. And Jaximus.

On the bright side, Viktor had almost half the kills for VES (5/11)!

On December 11 2013 20:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
can anyone explain these kit "synergies" to me?

Morgana - spell vamp passive

QW/RW/RQW are all combos I understand, I understand E as a means to prevent her from getting stunned/slowed and not being able to keep up with people she ults. where does the vamp fit in?

Malzahar - voidling passive

I suspect that this is a means to account for the fact that he suppresses himself during his ultimate. They scale with his attack damage and arpen, so it's like he's autoattacking for the duration of his ult if he has a voidling up, mitigating some of the damage that he loses by suppressing himself?

On Spell Vamp: helps her sustain and gives her some additional "burst healing" with her full AoE combo. Not alot, but it adds to her survivability, and, a long time ago, it made her laning with her W.

On Malz: promotes spell spam during critical fights, requires management level 1 and in lane to assist in pushing (voidlings are what give Malz the ability to push well early), and add a deceptively high amount of damage to his combo if you have multiple up and/or frenzied.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 11:38:01
December 11 2013 11:36 GMT
#3966
Voidlings aggro whoever has Malzahar E on them. Stuff has a good range and bounces. His Q has a good range. His ult can keep people in place (works with W too). So the voidlings let him add some harass to people, or zone them better (you get away when E is on the minions so it doesn't bounce, you get away when it's on you because voidlings).
Plus lore, obv. Gives the champion additional character (added bonus of fueling the Kog = Malz's pet fan arts).

Morgana is safe because Black Shield is a strong as heck defensive ability, plus slow/stun on ult and long root on Q. Passive gives some sustain (it used to be hp5, long long ago), which also adds safety since it'll work primarily off of W which has a soomewhat decent range and used to be able to clear waves mostly by itself (not anymore because most of the cast can lolfaceroll and one-shot the wave, I'm also looking at you manaless clearing bullshit like Riven or Zed).
Also lore I guess, sapping her enemies' life with her dark magic.

Edit; thanks for the Viktor info! Yeah if it's EG I don't really care then.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 11:42:00
December 11 2013 11:40 GMT
#3967
On December 11 2013 20:36 Alaric wrote:
Voidlings aggro whoever has Malzahar E on them. Stuff has a good range and bounces. His Q has a good range. His ult can keep people in place (works with W too). So the voidlings let him add some harass to people, or zone them better (you get away when E is on the minions so it doesn't bounce, you get away when it's on you because voidlings).
Plus lore, obv. Gives the champion additional character (added bonus of fueling the Kog = Malz's pet fan arts).

Morgana is safe because Black Shield is a strong as heck defensive ability, plus slow/stun on ult and long root on Q. Passive gives some sustain (it used to be hp5, long long ago), which also adds safety since it'll work primarily off of W which has a soomewhat decent range and used to be able to clear waves mostly by itself (not anymore because most of the cast can lolfaceroll and one-shot the wave, I'm also looking at you manaless clearing bullshit like Riven or Zed).
Also lore I guess, sapping her enemies' life with her dark magic.

Edit; thanks for the Viktor info! Yeah if it's EG I don't really care then.

It's not EG (yet).

What I saw was a bunch of NA solo-Q stars (RFLegendary and some others I think).

Additionally with Morg, Smite procs her passive (as single target damage). Jungle Morg folks, it's real. All the sustainnnn. :s
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
-Zoda-
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
France3578 Posts
December 11 2013 13:30 GMT
#3968
Oh yeah that jungle morg, I knew I had to buy her to try some stuff.
I guess her sustain with Spectral Wraith is Fiddle-level. :O

You max Tormented Soil first I guess in jungle ?
♪ 最初はi つなぐdo それ つまりlife 常に移動 ♪ - IGN: Uhryks
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 14:18:49
December 11 2013 14:16 GMT
#3969
A few points in Tormented, but I'd max Q for snare duration. Depends on whether you want to farm jangle or gank more (she's got great ganks if you can hit the Q, or are 6 and can just walk up to the enemy with anti-CC shield).

Getting a few points in Tormented is enough to give you unparalleled lane tax potential tho.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 14:19:32
December 11 2013 14:17 GMT
#3970
On December 11 2013 20:14 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
can anyone explain these kit "synergies" to me?

Morgana - spell vamp passive

QW/RW/RQW are all combos I understand, I understand E as a means to prevent her from getting stunned/slowed and not being able to keep up with people she ults. where does the vamp fit in?

Malzahar - voidling passive

I suspect that this is a means to account for the fact that he suppresses himself during his ultimate. They scale with his attack damage and arpen, so it's like he's autoattacking for the duration of his ult if he has a voidling up, mitigating some of the damage that he loses by suppressing himself?


QWR is the best all in combo most of the time, IMO.

Spell vamp serves a few purposes:
1. Let her push endlessly and stay topped off. That + Black shield means you could stay at turret to fish for Q without much worry about gank CC.
2. She has a short, crappy AA animation.
3. Its actually a good amount of regen in a fight, and you are in the middle.

Edit:

The Wight camp is stupid. Its much too tanky right now to to take as a toplaner if you are getting zoned before they take your tower. I guess the 3 jungle/top Warwicks probably appreciate it, but who else?
Freeeeeeedom
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 14:26:25
December 11 2013 14:25 GMT
#3971
Vlanitak, can you comment on what you think Dig's chances against Alliance are in Battle of the Atlantic? Do you think you guys have a chance?

Also, do you know the reason they dropped patoy? I believe patoy could have been seriously strong in this new patch. Is patoy still playing or did he retire(and so it was more that patoy retired, but dignitas did not really announce it?). It's been something I'm wondering about, and it would be cool to see this answered even if it is not an official answer!

Mostly, I ask because I honestly believe Patoy to be such a strong presence in dignitas, and I always found it really odd that he was dropped in favor of kiwikid playing support. This confuses me so so much.
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 14:32:50
December 11 2013 14:32 GMT
#3972
On December 11 2013 23:25 ketchup wrote:
Vlanitak, can you comment on what you think Dig's chances against Alliance are in Battle of the Atlantic? Do you think you guys have a chance?

Also, do you know the reason they dropped patoy? I believe patoy could have been seriously strong in this new patch. Is patoy still playing or did he retire(and so it was more that patoy retired, but dignitas did not really announce it?). It's been something I'm wondering about, and it would be cool to see this answered even if it is not an official answer!

Mostly, I ask because I honestly believe Patoy to be such a strong presence in dignitas, and I always found it really odd that he was dropped in favor of kiwikid playing support. This confuses me so so much.

Dlift said dignitas gave patoy an ultimatum and he didn't follow through so they removed him.
I don't think he was at liberty to go beyond that though.
Glorious SEA doto
ketchup
Profile Joined August 2010
14521 Posts
December 11 2013 14:38 GMT
#3973
On December 11 2013 23:32 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 23:25 ketchup wrote:
Vlanitak, can you comment on what you think Dig's chances against Alliance are in Battle of the Atlantic? Do you think you guys have a chance?

Also, do you know the reason they dropped patoy? I believe patoy could have been seriously strong in this new patch. Is patoy still playing or did he retire(and so it was more that patoy retired, but dignitas did not really announce it?). It's been something I'm wondering about, and it would be cool to see this answered even if it is not an official answer!

Mostly, I ask because I honestly believe Patoy to be such a strong presence in dignitas, and I always found it really odd that he was dropped in favor of kiwikid playing support. This confuses me so so much.

Dlift said dignitas gave patoy an ultimatum and he didn't follow through so they removed him.
I don't think he was at liberty to go beyond that though.


That's interesting, but that's so little information. It can be interpreted in many ways, and sadly the general public doesn't care for patoy so we never got a good reason from dignitas. I wanted to know because I sincerely felt patoy was one of the best support on NA server. Thank you for making it a bit more clear on my side though!
Gorsameth
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands22148 Posts
December 11 2013 14:43 GMT
#3974
On December 11 2013 23:38 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 23:32 Fusilero wrote:
On December 11 2013 23:25 ketchup wrote:
Vlanitak, can you comment on what you think Dig's chances against Alliance are in Battle of the Atlantic? Do you think you guys have a chance?

Also, do you know the reason they dropped patoy? I believe patoy could have been seriously strong in this new patch. Is patoy still playing or did he retire(and so it was more that patoy retired, but dignitas did not really announce it?). It's been something I'm wondering about, and it would be cool to see this answered even if it is not an official answer!

Mostly, I ask because I honestly believe Patoy to be such a strong presence in dignitas, and I always found it really odd that he was dropped in favor of kiwikid playing support. This confuses me so so much.

Dlift said dignitas gave patoy an ultimatum and he didn't follow through so they removed him.
I don't think he was at liberty to go beyond that though.


That's interesting, but that's so little information. It can be interpreted in many ways, and sadly the general public doesn't care for patoy so we never got a good reason from dignitas. I wanted to know because I sincerely felt patoy was one of the best support on NA server. Thank you for making it a bit more clear on my side though!

Doesnt matter if your the best player in the world. If you dont follow through with your obligations, which i assume is the problem if he got an "ultimatum", you get kicked. Thats how teams and contracts work.
It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
December 11 2013 14:50 GMT
#3975
On December 11 2013 23:38 ketchup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 23:32 Fusilero wrote:
On December 11 2013 23:25 ketchup wrote:
Vlanitak, can you comment on what you think Dig's chances against Alliance are in Battle of the Atlantic? Do you think you guys have a chance?

Also, do you know the reason they dropped patoy? I believe patoy could have been seriously strong in this new patch. Is patoy still playing or did he retire(and so it was more that patoy retired, but dignitas did not really announce it?). It's been something I'm wondering about, and it would be cool to see this answered even if it is not an official answer!

Mostly, I ask because I honestly believe Patoy to be such a strong presence in dignitas, and I always found it really odd that he was dropped in favor of kiwikid playing support. This confuses me so so much.

Dlift said dignitas gave patoy an ultimatum and he didn't follow through so they removed him.
I don't think he was at liberty to go beyond that though.


That's interesting, but that's so little information. It can be interpreted in many ways, and sadly the general public doesn't care for patoy so we never got a good reason from dignitas. I wanted to know because I sincerely felt patoy was one of the best support on NA server. Thank you for making it a bit more clear on my side though!

Well iirc lisha said patoy doesn't do much besides scrim and play LCS, maybe they wanted him to be more proactive.
Glorious SEA doto
WiseBagus
Profile Joined September 2011
Canada452 Posts
December 11 2013 15:21 GMT
#3976
On December 11 2013 10:26 WiseBagus wrote:
Full Machine is the only way to go. More importantly who wins in Viktor vs Elise?

Soniv smurf spotted. Or Soniv's minion. Whatever, somebody making an appearance spouting such heresies doesn't deserve to be considered any better.


Elise should win because stupid dps thanks to spiderlings, she can easily dodge E/get out of W/leave R or dodge it altogether with Rappel, she's got slightly more range and better animations so she can auto/Q harass without him being able to retaliate (he can Q, but longer cd, less damage, and the shield comes too late).
She assists ganks better too.

He'll push harder once he gets level 7 + augment, but he has to hold until then while she can freely bully him, and she's bullshit in the midgame with her 80-0 combo on a ~12s cd while he relies on his ult (120s flat) and he doesn't scale as well as her off MPen. He's got more AoE damage but less catching/picking potential later in the game so his utility is weaker in most situations (stronger in the others, notably peeling/fighting several divers, disengaging through narrow pathwys, etc.).
He'll poke better, though.[/QUOTE]
Other than beating Vitkor is she viable mid in any other way?
"When you come at the King, you best not miss"
phyvo
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States5635 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-11 15:32:38
December 11 2013 15:32 GMT
#3977
On December 11 2013 19:57 Alaric wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 11 2013 10:20 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Viktor in NACL.

http://www.twitch.tv/naclesports

That Viktor skin is so dope.

WHO WHERE WHEN WHICH TEAMS HOW DID THE GAME GO DETAILS NOW


Velocity pick him vs Curse Academy, day one NACL, vs Elise mid. Viktor kept up in CS but died to eve ganks because eve is BS and nocturne couldn't apply similar map pressure. Combined with botlane dying to trist/leona all-in and more eve ganks curse took a commanding lead through the whole game.
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France3578 Posts
December 11 2013 15:38 GMT
#3978
From what I read, Patoy had more or less the same issue as Chauster or DL or other pros in NA: he barely praticed in SoloQ and such and only played for scrims.
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France3460 Posts
December 11 2013 15:43 GMT
#3979
Pretty sure he got in the i have a girlfriend mode
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United States3726 Posts
December 11 2013 15:49 GMT
#3980
So, I stopped watching LCS in Season 2 - what have I missed? What's the current NA vs. EU vs. KR power rankings? Any new top teams? Big roster shakeups?
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