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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
On December 11 2013 03:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I agree with the root cause, but I don't think improving solo q is useless to achieve the same end goal. Fake it till you make it! Fake it till you make it is an empirically sound philosophy. Roffles taught me to fake toxicity and now I am toxicity. | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 11 2013 03:17 Carnivorous Sheep wrote: I agree with the root cause, but I don't think improving solo q is useless to achieve the same end goal. Fake it till you make it! As long as streaming is more profitable than being competitive I don't see how anything will change. There's just a fundamental difference in how the population views the game in NA compared to Korea. I don't see how trying to make solo q more serious will accomplish anything since it isn't even the competitive game. In fact I think the importance on solo q is what drove the scene to this situation in the first place. | ||
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Usagi
Spain1647 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 11 2013 03:43 NotYango wrote: Also, the other issue is that while there does exist talent that have the right mindset to succeed, there's very little incentive for sponsors to sponsor those players over more popular players that bring in stream views. Because on NA, that's where the money is. But you can be both. WildTurtle, DL, etc. it doesn't have to be one or the other | ||
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NotYango
United States719 Posts
It's also just easier to find players that are popular and make money off of them streaming. | ||
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remedium
United States939 Posts
Wildturtle taking every challenger spot is basically the only threat your average challenger player faces. | ||
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LaNague
Germany9118 Posts
I wont pay for RP until i have my constant 20ms back, Riot. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 11 2013 04:08 NotYango wrote: It's exponentially harder to find players that are popular, talented, and have a good competitive mindset than it is to find players who just have the latter two. The fact that there exist a handful of players who have all 3 qualities means absolutely nothing because there aren't enough such players to form a large enough number of viable competitive teams so long as sponsors care about popularity and stream views. It's also just easier to find players that are popular and make money off of them streaming. Not really though tbh. Look at bjergsen, his streams maybe got like 10k views before joining TSM. Now he regularly hits 30k np, was hitting 70k when he first joined. Did he all of a sudden become more entertaining? Nope. He joined TSM. Why can't this just be the case? Where TSM label is the part that makes him insanely popular, and then skill carrys over to the team? | ||
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Numy
South Africa35471 Posts
On December 11 2013 04:38 wei2coolman wrote: Not really though tbh. Look at bjergsen, his streams maybe got like 10k views before joining TSM. Now he regularly hits 30k np, was hitting 70k when he first joined. Did he all of a sudden become more entertaining? Nope. He joined TSM. Why can't this just be the case? Where TSM label is the part that makes him insanely popular, and then skill carrys over to the team? Aren't you kind of proving the point though? TSM is a team that has built itself into a big brand by being popular. They have never been competitive outside of NA and have kept players due to popularity instead of skill. Whether that is changing or not don't know just yet but they didn't become the huge brand they are by people competitive minded. Seem to be missing the point honestly. TSM is just a huge brand so obviously a player joining that team will see a rise in popularity regardless of entertainment/skill/competitiveness. It doesn't really have anything to do with the current discussion. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
hes sitting on his piles of cash crying. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35174 Posts
On December 11 2013 04:50 turdburgler wrote: if hotshott wants to see more talent developed on NA why doesnt he (one of the few people with the funds and set up) do something about it? CLG pro-amm league, CLG B team, CLG vs the world of baddies. hes sitting on his piles of cash crying. He's been contemplating making a challenger team for a while, or at least was. | ||
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 11 2013 04:50 turdburgler wrote: if hotshott wants to see more talent developed on NA why doesnt he (one of the few people with the funds and set up) do something about it? CLG pro-amm league, CLG B team, CLG vs the world of baddies. hes sitting on his piles of cash crying. Because that would be like flushing money down the toilet basically for an abstract gain that another team could just as easily reap the benefits of if the goals were ever achieved. People on TL need more business classes. Well, not classes, because they are kinda worthless, more just business acumen. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 11 2013 04:50 turdburgler wrote: if hotshott wants to see more talent developed on NA why doesnt he (one of the few people with the funds and set up) do something about it? CLG pro-amm league, CLG B team, CLG vs the world of baddies. hes sitting on his piles of cash crying. yeah he did, it was called Vulcun/XDG/CLG.black. On December 11 2013 04:45 Numy wrote: Aren't you kind of proving the point though? TSM is a team that has built itself into a big brand by being popular. They have never been competitive outside of NA and have kept players due to popularity instead of skill. Whether that is changing or not don't know just yet but they didn't become the huge brand they are by people competitive minded. Seem to be missing the point honestly. TSM is just a huge brand so obviously a player joining that team will see a rise in popularity regardless of entertainment/skill/competitiveness. It doesn't really have anything to do with the current discussion. TSM might have originated as that, but now as a brand is so strong that it can afford to pick up players just for their playing strength, not necessarily their entertainment value. | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
On December 11 2013 04:56 cLutZ wrote: Because that would be like flushing money down the toilet basically for an abstract gain that another team could just as easily reap the benefits of if the goals were ever achieved. People on TL need more business classes. Well, not classes, because they are kinda worthless, more just business acumen. it doesnt matter if it makes business sense or not. even supposing for a second it was a sure fire failure money-wise, that means hotshot is complaining that people arent dumping money in to a situation where he knows it will go to waste. we can get in to sociological arguments all night long, but we cant change america. the only thing that ESPORTS can do to make NA less shit is to spend money on it, and so either you have to believe there are viable business opportunities, in which case hotshot himself is the prime candidate to do something about it, or you believe its a waste of businesses time, in which case you think hotshot is knowingly just making a whine about nothing in a sad attempt to stay relevant after retirement. or i mean i guess you could just get sarcastic about your belief in knowing more about business than other randoms on the internet. | ||
Carnivorous Sheep
Baa?21247 Posts
On December 11 2013 05:06 turdburgler wrote: it doesnt matter if it makes business sense or not. even supposing for a second it was a sure fire failure money-wise, that means hotshot is complaining that people arent dumping money in to a situation where he knows it will go to waste. we can get in to socialogical arguments all night long, but we cant change america. the only thing that ESPORTS can do to make NA less shit is to spend money on it, and so either you have to believe there are viable business opportunities, in which case hotshot himself is the prime candidate to do something about it, or you believe its a waste of businesses time, in which case you think hotshot is knowingly just making a whine about nothing in a sad attempt to stay relevant after retirement. or i mean i guess you could just get sarcastic about your belief in knowing more about business than other randoms on the internet. wow calm down | ||
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turdburgler
England6749 Posts
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Fusilero
United Kingdom50293 Posts
SK picks supa hot crew XD, this probably makes the other match ups KMT vs NiP and MYM vs CW. Unless NiP suddenly decide that being in LCS is overrated and pick CW. Actually this tweet suggests that NiP has gone full retard and picked CW. Well then. | ||
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Nos-
Canada12016 Posts
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Slusher
United States19143 Posts
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cLutZ
United States19574 Posts
On December 11 2013 05:06 turdburgler wrote: it doesnt matter if it makes business sense or not. even supposing for a second it was a sure fire failure money-wise, that means hotshot is complaining that people arent dumping money in to a situation where he knows it will go to waste. we can get in to sociological arguments all night long, but we cant change america. the only thing that ESPORTS can do to make NA less shit is to spend money on it, and so either you have to believe there are viable business opportunities, in which case hotshot himself is the prime candidate to do something about it, or you believe its a waste of businesses time, in which case you think hotshot is knowingly just making a whine about nothing in a sad attempt to stay relevant after retirement. or i mean i guess you could just get sarcastic about your belief in knowing more about business than other randoms on the internet. I mean, your plan didn't even make sense. He could actually do what you are talking about, in China and get takers. But in California everything is incredibly expensive. Maintaining a CLG B team would cost tens of thousands of dollars a month, easily. | ||
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