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On December 07 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 04:28 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On December 07 2013 02:55 Brad` wrote:On December 07 2013 01:55 wei2coolman wrote:On December 06 2013 20:41 -Zoda- wrote:
Cultural differences hehe They're already used to getting screwed by kespa. :/ They're used to their salaried athletes having rules placed upon what they can do in the public eye like every other contracted athlete in the world. Very wow. well fucking said if you want to legitimize "esports" (cringe), start acting like professionals and not fucking teenagers playing a video game Maybe riot should pay them like professionals instead of like fast food employees first.
Even fastfood employees follow their contract diligently. They are worst than fast food employee :p
jk though, a lof of Kespa players, the B team, don't get paid much either, yet they still bounded by the contract.
If people want to act like teenagers playing video games, then don't be a professional, if they want to be a professional, act like one.
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On December 07 2013 04:33 Ketara wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 04:32 Requizen wrote:On December 07 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:On December 07 2013 04:28 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On December 07 2013 02:55 Brad` wrote:On December 07 2013 01:55 wei2coolman wrote:They're already used to getting screwed by kespa. :/ They're used to their salaried athletes having rules placed upon what they can do in the public eye like every other contracted athlete in the world. Very wow. well fucking said if you want to legitimize "esports" (cringe), start acting like professionals and not fucking teenagers playing a video game Maybe riot should pay them like professionals instead of like fast food employees first. That's dumb. Professional athletes shouldn't get payed nearly as much as they do anyway. Not to mention they're making more than fast food employees do.
Not off riot. From teams they do.
It wouldn't be much of an issue if teams tell their players what they can or can't do in regards to public image because the teams are paying majority of salary. I rather Riot treat their relationship with the teams in regards to LCS as a tournament organizer than as opposed to employer.
If riot wants control of player streams they should be paying players for their stream imo, which is clearly not the case.
@shallowbay
You don't think highly specialized skill that requires 40+ hours a week, that requires a lot of travel, group housing, and promotional gigs doesn't deserve 6figure paycheck? you're the one thats delusional.
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Wait how much is Riot paying them?
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12.5k$ per split so 25k for season 3 before price money from 2 regionalsplayoffs and worlds.
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On December 07 2013 04:50 AsnSensation wrote:
12.5k$ per split so 25k for season 3 before price money from 2 regionalsplayoffs and worlds.
It also could have (although this is unlikely) gone up from the last time that contact was published.
It's not a bad wage (12k for 3-4 months of work) but its the ancillary benefits that are valuable too - travel compensation, boarding allowance, etc that make it more player friendly,
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On December 07 2013 04:55 Amethyst21 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 04:50 AsnSensation wrote:
12.5k$ per split so 25k for season 3 before price money from 2 regionalsplayoffs and worlds. It also could have (although this is unlikely) gone up from the last time that contact was published. It's not a bad wage (12k for 3-4 months of work) but its the ancillary benefits that are valuable too - travel compensation, boarding allowance, etc that make it more player friendly,
Not to mention that's on top of all their other income.
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On December 07 2013 04:56 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 04:55 Amethyst21 wrote:On December 07 2013 04:50 AsnSensation wrote:
12.5k$ per split so 25k for season 3 before price money from 2 regionalsplayoffs and worlds. It also could have (although this is unlikely) gone up from the last time that contact was published. It's not a bad wage (12k for 3-4 months of work) but its the ancillary benefits that are valuable too - travel compensation, boarding allowance, etc that make it more player friendly, Not to mention that's on top of all their other income.
Other income should be considered separate in regards to contract.
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On December 07 2013 04:32 Requizen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:On December 07 2013 04:28 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On December 07 2013 02:55 Brad` wrote:On December 07 2013 01:55 wei2coolman wrote:They're already used to getting screwed by kespa. :/ They're used to their salaried athletes having rules placed upon what they can do in the public eye like every other contracted athlete in the world. Very wow. well fucking said if you want to legitimize "esports" (cringe), start acting like professionals and not fucking teenagers playing a video game Maybe riot should pay them like professionals instead of like fast food employees first. That's dumb. Professional athletes shouldn't get payed nearly as much as they do anyway.
They get only half the profits at least in NHL.
Are you saying that the bigwigs should get even more than 50%? wtf?
And some mobafire pro math here:
Spirit Visage on Gragas is amazing because it makes your passive heal 22% instead of 2% because you first have 2% and spirit visage is 20% more.
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On December 07 2013 04:38 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 04:33 Ketara wrote:On December 07 2013 04:32 Requizen wrote:On December 07 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:On December 07 2013 04:28 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On December 07 2013 02:55 Brad` wrote:On December 07 2013 01:55 wei2coolman wrote:They're already used to getting screwed by kespa. :/ They're used to their salaried athletes having rules placed upon what they can do in the public eye like every other contracted athlete in the world. Very wow. well fucking said if you want to legitimize "esports" (cringe), start acting like professionals and not fucking teenagers playing a video game Maybe riot should pay them like professionals instead of like fast food employees first. That's dumb. Professional athletes shouldn't get payed nearly as much as they do anyway. Not to mention they're making more than fast food employees do. Not off riot. From teams they do. It wouldn't be much of an issue if teams tell their players what they can or can't do in regards to public image because the teams are paying majority of salary. I rather Riot treat their relationship with the teams in regards to LCS as a tournament organizer than as opposed to employer. If riot wants control of player streams they should be paying players for their stream imo, which is clearly not the case. @shallowbay You don't think highly specialized skill that requires 40+ hours a week, that requires a lot of travel, group housing, and promotional gigs doesn't deserve 6figure paycheck? you're the one thats delusional.
i'll ignore the 40+ hours a week part, since that's a normal workweek for almost anyone
it must really suck to have a mansion paid for by your team
travel and promo suck, yes, but any job has its downsides. could be worse from a job with 0 marketable skills outside of the specific industry
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On December 07 2013 05:23 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 04:38 wei2coolman wrote:On December 07 2013 04:33 Ketara wrote:On December 07 2013 04:32 Requizen wrote:On December 07 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:On December 07 2013 04:28 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On December 07 2013 02:55 Brad` wrote:On December 07 2013 01:55 wei2coolman wrote:They're already used to getting screwed by kespa. :/ They're used to their salaried athletes having rules placed upon what they can do in the public eye like every other contracted athlete in the world. Very wow. well fucking said if you want to legitimize "esports" (cringe), start acting like professionals and not fucking teenagers playing a video game Maybe riot should pay them like professionals instead of like fast food employees first. That's dumb. Professional athletes shouldn't get payed nearly as much as they do anyway. Not to mention they're making more than fast food employees do. Not off riot. From teams they do. It wouldn't be much of an issue if teams tell their players what they can or can't do in regards to public image because the teams are paying majority of salary. I rather Riot treat their relationship with the teams in regards to LCS as a tournament organizer than as opposed to employer. If riot wants control of player streams they should be paying players for their stream imo, which is clearly not the case. @shallowbay You don't think highly specialized skill that requires 40+ hours a week, that requires a lot of travel, group housing, and promotional gigs doesn't deserve 6figure paycheck? you're the one thats delusional. i'll ignore the 40+ hours a week part, since that's a normal workweek for almost anyone it must really suck to have a mansion paid for by your team travel and promo suck, yes, but any job has its downsides. could be worse from a job with 0 marketable skills outside of the specific industry
You could say that about a lot of jobs, and a lot of those jobs pay 6 figures. Saying that Dyrus making 6 figures for playing LoL is insane, is absurd, that's quite reasonable pay considering his fanbase, specialized skillsets, lack of possible replacements, and workload for the job.
funny how you're arguing for the professionalism of LoL, but then mock how much the players should get paid for playing a "video game".
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On December 07 2013 05:36 JimmiC wrote:
The facts are its great that they are getting paid at all. Out side of korea it rarely happens. And the reason it's low is it's just starting. Not like NFL players made millions when it first started (not even if you take inflation) they made terrible money.
Right now there is a ton of people willing to do it for little to no money so they don't have to pay more. And riot makes way more money off micro transactions then the ad revenue brought in from the pro scene. If that changes and the pro scene advertizers start paying 5.4 billion, which is what a canadian TV network paid the NHL to broadcast the games in Canada, not to mention all the revenue at stadiums and so on. Then they will pay the pros more. For now they just want enough of a scene to keep it popular. And I think they legitimatly want a pro scene which is cool. Not sure why everyone puts negative spins on shit. Yes is could always be better and you could have more, but it could also be worse and you could have less.
People are pretty spoiled to complain about making a living playing a game, if they want a shitty job that pays more, no one is stopping these guys.
Whether or not they're getting paid isn't the point, the question is whether or not they're getting paid enough to justify Riot's interference with their streams.
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Take it to the other thread.
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On December 07 2013 05:28 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 05:23 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On December 07 2013 04:38 wei2coolman wrote:On December 07 2013 04:33 Ketara wrote:On December 07 2013 04:32 Requizen wrote:On December 07 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:On December 07 2013 04:28 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On December 07 2013 02:55 Brad` wrote:On December 07 2013 01:55 wei2coolman wrote:They're already used to getting screwed by kespa. :/ They're used to their salaried athletes having rules placed upon what they can do in the public eye like every other contracted athlete in the world. Very wow. well fucking said if you want to legitimize "esports" (cringe), start acting like professionals and not fucking teenagers playing a video game Maybe riot should pay them like professionals instead of like fast food employees first. That's dumb. Professional athletes shouldn't get payed nearly as much as they do anyway. Not to mention they're making more than fast food employees do. Not off riot. From teams they do. It wouldn't be much of an issue if teams tell their players what they can or can't do in regards to public image because the teams are paying majority of salary. I rather Riot treat their relationship with the teams in regards to LCS as a tournament organizer than as opposed to employer. If riot wants control of player streams they should be paying players for their stream imo, which is clearly not the case. @shallowbay You don't think highly specialized skill that requires 40+ hours a week, that requires a lot of travel, group housing, and promotional gigs doesn't deserve 6figure paycheck? you're the one thats delusional. i'll ignore the 40+ hours a week part, since that's a normal workweek for almost anyone it must really suck to have a mansion paid for by your team travel and promo suck, yes, but any job has its downsides. could be worse from a job with 0 marketable skills outside of the specific industry You could say that about a lot of jobs, and a lot of those jobs pay 6 figures. Saying that Dyrus making 6 figures for playing LoL is insane, is absurd, that's quite reasonable pay considering his fanbase, specialized skillsets, lack of possible replacements, and workload for the job. funny how you're arguing for the professionalism of LoL, but then mock how much the players should get paid for playing a "video game".
replied in the other thread as per lord steve's direction
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On December 07 2013 05:19 Shikyo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 07 2013 04:32 Requizen wrote:On December 07 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote:On December 07 2013 04:28 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:On December 07 2013 02:55 Brad` wrote:On December 07 2013 01:55 wei2coolman wrote:They're already used to getting screwed by kespa. :/ They're used to their salaried athletes having rules placed upon what they can do in the public eye like every other contracted athlete in the world. Very wow. well fucking said if you want to legitimize "esports" (cringe), start acting like professionals and not fucking teenagers playing a video game Maybe riot should pay them like professionals instead of like fast food employees first. That's dumb. Professional athletes shouldn't get payed nearly as much as they do anyway. They get only half the profits at least in NHL. Are you saying that the bigwigs should get even more than 50%? wtf? And some mobafire pro math here: Spirit Visage on Gragas is amazing because it makes your passive heal 22% instead of 2% because you first have 2% and spirit visage is 20% more.
Just FYI, its half of revenues, not profits. They are very different things.
Robert Downey Jr. gets a revenue split from the Avengers films and makes bank, every actor that has agreed to a profit share has gotten severely screwed.
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