EPTOn December 07 2013 02:16 Gahlo wrote:
Has kespa even done anything with league yet?
Has kespa even done anything with league yet?
Too busy banning Savior from China's bw scene.
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
Too busy banning Savior from China's bw scene. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
On December 07 2013 01:20 Alaric wrote: Maybe you should call it a sub-optimal decision, then? For example someone all-ins you at a point where you've got 80% chances of winning it or something, while he'd otherwise be perfectly fine if he just kept farming. You wouldn't expect such a risky play coming from a more knowledgeable player aware that he doesn't stand to gain much from it over playing safe; but someone who doesn't know better may think "hey I'm sure I'll win 100% if I all-in now, gogogo!" and catch you off guard, making you misplay it and end up in the 20% where you lose. In the end you died because you were unprepared or not wary enough, but it's not exactly false to state that worse players are more likely to misread a situation and do unexpected stuff. It's just you can't use it as an excuse.  Where are you getting this 80% chance from? There is a very tiny amount of true randomness in the game. If it was that close when he's not even a good player you'd expect a good player to do way better because he'll play it even better. You don't need to wait for a"best opportunity" you just need a "good" opportunity, there's always that balance as the offensive player, of thinking you can all in him, or wait till you know you can all-in him but risk him backing off. However the thing is this based on your knowledge and calculation which indicates you have a pretty good grasp of the situation (i.e not bronze) at the end of the day if you get all-in'd by a bad player and lose you just played shitty and you'd probably lose to a better player too (you're probably playing something you suck at because he's a "bad player") | ||
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Brad`
Canada548 Posts
On December 07 2013 01:55 wei2coolman wrote: They're already used to getting screwed by kespa. :/ They're used to their salaried athletes having rules placed upon what they can do in the public eye like every other contracted athlete in the world. Very wow. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 07 2013 02:50 Slayer91 wrote: Where are you getting this 80% chance from? There is a very tiny amount of true randomness in the game. If it was that close when he's not even a good player you'd expect a good player to do way better because he'll play it even better. You don't need to wait for a"best opportunity" you just need a "good" opportunity, there's always that balance as the offensive player, of thinking you can all in him, or wait till you know you can all-in him but risk him backing off. However the thing is this based on your knowledge and calculation which indicates you have a pretty good grasp of the situation (i.e not bronze) at the end of the day if you get all-in'd by a bad player and lose you just played shitty and you'd probably lose to a better player too (you're probably playing something you suck at because he's a "bad player") There's often pretty annoying situations where you just happen to use ability x or just happen to go ward when the enemy jungler arrives and things like that. At times it feels planned and due to you being forced into doing something, other times it feels pretty random. I'm not sure how an allin is a 80% chance like that, though. If it's not 100% there's no sense in taking it, you will have opportunities. There will also be moments during it where you should be able to abort it with an advantage. If not, you shouldn't get into the position where he can risk an allin in the first place. I cannot recall any recent allins that were the type that had a 80% chance of failing or succeeding, or even 50%. I only take allins when I can guarantee a good outcome. Speaking of which, I think I have a bad habit of being too passive / scared / going back to base too often, need to fix that somehow. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
junglers are waiting in the bush for you to use your ability or to go and ward, its not a coincidence getting ganked in that situation is just being a shitty player its not random at all | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 07 2013 03:05 Slayer91 wrote: Hint from a guy on the inside junglers are waiting in the bush for you to use your ability or to go and ward, its not a coincidence getting ganked in that situation is just being a shitty player its not random at all So what shall I do in your opinion? Hold the ward for 5 minutes? | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 07 2013 03:17 Slayer91 wrote: thats just the excuse they are using when they misclick or have slow reactions Thats what I say when we're duoing, but I observe their solo queue ranked games and they don't seem to miss as many of their skillshots. Probably just confirmation bias. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23404 Posts
On December 07 2013 03:23 Shikyo wrote: So what shall I do in your opinion? Hold the ward for 5 minutes? Made a thoughtful decision. I just came back to lane when it wasn't warded. Easy gank. Wait for lane to push? If it pushes in either direction you can ward the brush and if he's in it the guy won't be there to follow up. If it's pushing toward you? Just be patient and the jungler will leave. You can also try to pretend to go for a cs and back off, see if the guy is playing abnormally agressive or easy to hit. Alternatively come back to lane from river and ward it that way. The important thing is to realize theres a counter to everything and you just need to be aware. | ||
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canikizu
4860 Posts
On December 07 2013 03:14 wei2coolman wrote: The only thing my d1 friends have issues with when duoing with me is missing skillshots, because they alway expect the juke. As far as strategy stuff, good players always abuse non optimal strategy. outdumbed. | ||
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
Shoot to the side, dude never stops going straight. It leaves me with the worst feeling, because when you look back on it it looks like you're just retarded. | ||
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Zess
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
When you see the highlight reels where someone launches a skillshot where someone else is flashing to, most of the time it is because there are pretty much only 2 places where the person can go without just straight up dying to basic attacks. Like, Bischu's not going to complain playing in bronze that people move funky and he misses Nid Q because they'll just straight up die anyways. The information game in league (predicting movement, jungling) is still about making EV plays based on the information set you have and the exclusion set that you know. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On December 07 2013 02:55 Brad` wrote: They're used to their salaried athletes having rules placed upon what they can do in the public eye like every other contracted athlete in the world. Very wow. well fucking said if you want to legitimize "esports" (cringe), start acting like professionals and not fucking teenagers playing a video game | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On December 07 2013 04:28 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: well fucking said if you want to legitimize "esports" (cringe), start acting like professionals and not fucking teenagers playing a video game Maybe riot should pay them like professionals instead of like fast food employees first. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 07 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote: Maybe riot should pay them like professionals instead of like fast food employees first. That's dumb. Professional athletes shouldn't get payed nearly as much as they do anyway. | ||
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Ketara
United States15065 Posts
On December 07 2013 04:32 Requizen wrote: That's dumb. Professional athletes shouldn't get payed nearly as much as they do anyway. Not to mention they're making more than fast food employees do. | ||
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ShaLLoW[baY]
Canada12499 Posts
On December 07 2013 04:31 wei2coolman wrote: Maybe riot should pay them like professionals instead of like fast food employees first. the qualifier "professional" does not hinge on how much you are getting paid if you really think that someone like dyrus (just random pro name) deserves six figures for playing league of legends you are fucking insane | ||
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