A League Player’s Primer to Smite - Page 20

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jcarlsoniv

United States27922 Posts

May 13 2014 00:03 GMT

#381

So bees is getting a new skin...

http://www.reddit.com/r/Smite/comments/25e090/the_great_old_one_skin_reveal_album/

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

May 14 2014 06:06 GMT

#382

CountChocula

Canada2068 Posts

May 14 2014 09:39 GMT

#383

I thought this thread was going to teach me how to jungle ~_~

Duvon

Sweden2360 Posts

May 14 2014 10:35 GMT

#384

Jungle is really hard I feel. But then again, I'm bad.

jcarlsoniv

United States27922 Posts

May 14 2014 14:55 GMT

#385

I really enjoy jungling in Smite.

I could do a small write up, but I don't do it that often and am still learning it myself. Also, things got shaken up quite a bit now that mid harpies are on a 3 min timer instead of a 2 min timer

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

May 14 2014 14:55 GMT

#386

I wrote a quick guide to jungling a while ago, but things have changed since then.

What would you like to know? Picks, routes, builds? Or I could edit the old primer for the newer updates if you'd like.

jcarlsoniv

United States27922 Posts

May 14 2014 15:11 GMT

#387

Editing old primer is probably the way to go so that people can come in and check OP for valid info.

Although I'm definitely not known to be one to keep my guides up to date.

Duvon

Sweden2360 Posts

May 14 2014 17:08 GMT

#388

Route -> when to gank, and builds.

Requizen

United States33802 Posts

May 14 2014 17:59 GMT

#389

Jungling - Updated

Jungling is a bit different from League, especially in the early game. In a serious match, you’re going to spend some time with your solo laner. To this end, the starting route differs depending on whether you’re Olympian or Invader side. Either way, your starting items will likely be the same.

Starting Items
Most junglers start with the same 3 items each game.

Bumba’s Mask is the jungle item, giving you passive mp5 when you’re in the jungle, as well as giving you a significant heal when you kill a jungle monster. Additionally, gold isn’t split when you have allies nearby, so you get more gold when you help people with camps.
Rank 1 Hand of the Gods (HoG) helps with clear, and will be used later as either CC (Fist) or objective control (Hand). Either way, you need it early on to jungle well.
Potion of Physical/Magical Might is the consumable that gives you additional damage of your type. Again, this helps your early clear and ganking prowess.

Certain gods can eschew this in favor for other starts if their sustain is high enough. For example, Thanatos can start with rank 1 Tabi in place of Bumba’s, thanks to his 1 and passive. This lets him get almost a full item ahead of the enemy jungle.

Other gods with good autoattacks and built in sustain can start with Death's Toll, though they may have to end up buying Mana pots and backing a bit more often.

Everyone can do the Bumba’s start, though, so my recommendation is to stick to it until you’re comfortable.

Olympian
Red buff -> Blue buff

Your solo laner and mid will do mid furies, so do Red by yourself. Hand Red camp, kill the buff monster, and then go to Blue with your solo. Be careful, as Invader side has a generally quicker Orange -> Blue clear and may come to contest your Blue Buff. Much easier if your solo laner took HoG. If they come to contest and you're not sure you can finish it before the fight, reset it or leash it to them.

Invader
Orange buff -> Blue buff

Your solo laner will help you with Orange, while your mid and duo will take the right side Furies. Use your HoG on Orange, and take the buff. Go to Blue, and your solo should use their HoG (if they bought it) and then take that one with your help. As above, you should be done quicker than Olympian side, so feel free to go over and poke at them, or clear the first wave quickly and push into their tower.

Next Step
Now, you can pop your Potion, or hold onto it, it depends on whether you think you need the extra damage for fighting and clearing. Use your judgement, but if you’re not sure, just pop it right after Blue.

From here, it depends on the situation. You can hang out with your solo laner until mid camps come back (much longer now that it's 3 minutes up from 2), or you can chill for a wave or two then go start clearing the jungle.

Generally what you decide to do will depend on your 2v2 situation. If the two of you have high push (say, solo Ra and jungling Tyr), you can shove and deny them. If you have good early game CC (say, ~~solo Ra and jungle Tyr~~ but seriously they're both bullshit), you can try to fight. If, however, your solo laner has good clear and is safe, you can just peace out and go clear the jungle.

If you're still new or uncomfortable in the role, the best rule of thumb is to stick to the solo lane until either Mid camps come back up or the enemy jungler leaves, whichever comes first. You two should be approximately mirrored in exp and camp clears, so keeping that even is a good play.

Clearing
In Smite, clearing the jungle is better than camping a lane pretty much at all times. You should only gank when there’s a high probability of getting a kill, or if you’re counterganking/saving a lane. If they’re farming away, you should be doing the same. With fast clearing and the occasional gank gold, you should keep up with lanes or even surpass them in gold.

Priority for camps is as follows:
Mid Furies > Red/Orange > Blue > Small Furies

Mid camps have highest priority for several reasons. They give the same amount of gold as buff camps (well, 1 less), respawn more than twice as fast, and most importantly, are contested between each side. By killing them, not only are you getting the gold for yourself (and likely your mid), but you’re denying it from the enemy.

Blue camps are slightly less important because they’ll always go to your side laner, but they're a big source of gold and experience. If at all possible, try to get them by yourself for the extra EXP. However, as long as they get secured for your solo laner/Hunter, it's fine.

Basically, just try to keep everything on your side of the jungle dead. If you're playing a gank-heavy jungler, passing up on the Small Furies is fine, but for the most part you don't particularly need to gank a lane unless:

a) It's an easy kill, like an overextended Anubis
b) The laner really needs help (and not just says they do, but really do)
c) You see the enemy jungler on his way there and go to counter
d) All the camps are dead and you have enough health/mana to fight

Of course, this is from a very selfish jungling viewpoint. Farming over ganking makes you fairly rich (assuming you get mid camps) and keeps up in levels. Ganking, of course, will help your teammate but may set you behind. Whichever you choose is up to you and what god you picked.

Who can Jungle?
Currently, it seems that many gods can jungle if put in the position, though of course some are bad and some are nearly made for it.

Any current assassin can jungle, and do well at it with their ability to come into a gank and provide massive damage for their laner. They also clear fairly well, most having burst to quickly kill large monsters or even AoE abilities. Currently some of the best junglers include Mercury, Bastet, and Hun Batz.

Almost all Warriors are good at jungling right now. Vamana is probably the weakest jungler out of the bunch. Chaac, Osiris, Tyr, and Nemesis can all be picked in the jungle with little to no issue - in fact, Tyr jungle is ~~bullshit~~ considered very strong and a top pick.

Guardians make decent to poor junglers. Athena is the best of the bunch, having amazing gank prowess and decent clear, while Ymir has slightly better clear and ganking, but lower mobility. Khumbakarna may be able to jungle, but is not a great pick. The rest shouldn't really try it out, unless you're a very skilled/knowledgeable Hades player.

Of Mages, there are a few decent picks. Freya is a fantastic jungler, having decent ganking abilities, good clear, and the ability to hypercarry out of the jungle, so I'd highly recommend her if you want a magic damage jungler. Poseidon jungle has been seeing some popularity due to him just being an overall good pick, and Anubis has very good clear times and decent ganks with his stun. He Bo also fits under this category. However, the three of them really require you to know them well and be an experienced jungler, so don't expect people to like it if you lock them in. Nu Wa can jungle fairly well and ganks decently, but is not a popular pick and is also very good in lanes, but consider it if you can convince your team.

No Hunter should jungle. I mean, maybe they can, but just don’t.

Jungler notes, some of the more popular picks

Bastet is likely the best jungler in the game right now. High damage, high mobility, decent slows. She has the ability to get counter jungled by early tanks like Tyr, but she doesn't fall off pretty much at all.
Mercury used to be one of the best picks in the game. He's taken some nerfs since then, but he's still very good as long as you know how to use your grab and ult with your team.
Arachne has strong ganks, and can use her babies as zone control for camps even when she’s not around. Her clear is slightly slower to make up for it, but her single target damage is very high.
Loki has issues right now. His clears are slow, his ganks don't get good until level 6, and he can get counter jungled fairly easily. Only pick him if you're very confident in your skill.
Thanatos is the full package. His swing chain and his 3 give him good clear, he has massive sustain, and his ganks are bursty and can be surprising. However, his late game falls off quite hard past a certain point, so if you don't get ahead, you may end up being a burden.
Fenrir’s damage is rather high, but his sustain is iffy even with his free lifesteal. His ult is basically Skarner ult with CC immunity, so godlike ganks, but his damage can fall off if you're not keeping up.
Thor’s ganks are scary as hell and his clear is rather fast with a modicum of pen. Having a long range engage and a wall means that, even if you fall behind in items, you’re still a threat. However, he's quite squishy, so don't expect to jump into teamfights willy nilly.
Tyr can thrive in the jungle. With technically 4 AoE moves, which includes sustain and free protections, he’s rarely low on health. He can go tank or more damage with similar results, and can brawl 1v1 with the enemy jungle. Blink Tyr in the jungle is one of the scariest things in the game.
Guan has decent clear, free protections, a heal, and a strong gank ult. His first few levels can be a bit slow if he doesn’t get help, but once he gets rolling, a 3 2 combo on a camp basically clears it and leaves him tanky. His mobility is fairly low (dash and ult on long cooldowns unless you're with allies), so you may get out-maneuvered.
Freya is very good provided you know how to play her early game. She's not good 1v1 until she gets levels and items, but once she does, she'll carry. Be wary of early counterjungling.
Ymir is nice, but can’t get too far behind. He can’t exactly duel the enemy jungle, but can clear fast. He ganks really well with his CC (especially if you can get Blink), and a damage build on him makes his 2 and 4 pretty noticeable nukes.
Athena is honestly pretty cool. Her 3 clears jungle camps pretty fast (especially since you get an AoE auto after using it), and then is the best counter-ganker in the game with her ult. Like Shen jungle, but with a good clear and higher damage.
Chaac and Osiris are very similar. Great clear, decent ganks, good power curve into late game with AS and some tanky stats. Always solid picks, but don't necessarily excel in one area or another imo.
Nemesis is a very scary pick in the right hands. High mobility and two slows on a jungler is deadly against people who don't utilize wards correctly, and she remains a strong fighter in both the early and late game. She does less well against tanky teams.
Kali can hyper carry provided she's played with skill. Her early fighting isn't that great, but with a few levels in her abilities she can 1v1 or even 1v2 most characters.
Ne Zha has some issues. His early fighting is fairly weak, and he needs teammates to follow up on his ult and stun since his burst isn't too high until he starts critting. However, he's very versatile with a ranged poke, an easily landed stun, and a removal/damage ult.
Hun Batz is one of the best junglers that no one plays. Clears fast, very strong ganks, high mobility, does well early and late game. A well played Hun is terror, though consider a Shifter's Shield as he is quite tanky.

Later Items
Since Assassins and Warriors are prevalent junglers, I’d like to talk about Heartseeker. It’s one of the best items if you can keep it fully or nearly fully stacked. The MS helps your roaming as well. However, while you get similar gold to lanes, you don’t always get numerically as much creeps as lanes do. If you feel like you’re farming well and you’re not spending too much downtime roaming or babysitting, Heartseeker is a great investment. If you’re dying a lot, losing camps, etc, skip it. I don't like it as much, but many junglers like to get it to soft-snowball.

Other than that, start with Bumba's (other than a few gods as talked about earlier), then get boots. Mobility is key, and you don't want to be lagging from camps to fights. Attack Speed gods do well with Qin's Sais. Freya should grab Fatalis and a Rod. Any Warrior god should grab at least one defensive item, generally one of Shifter's Shield/Magi's Blessing/Hide of the Urchin. Jotunn's Wrath is usually a good buy, as CDR and pen is very useful on most jungler gods.

That's just basic item ideology though. Build your god the way they should be built - get pen on ability-focused gods, get AS on gods that like to auto, etc.

As for actives, HoG is necessary (HoG3 is good for objectives, though many like Fist for the stun). Sprint is good on pretty much any jungler or in fact any god in general. Tyr, Ymir, and some others should go for Blink instead. If you already have mobility and don't feel like you need more, you can get Beads/Aegis for defense, or Enfeebling/Weakening Curse to lock down opponents.

Other
Like in League, people will beg for ganks and for you to win their lane for them. Honestly, most of the time it’s just best to ignore them. Like I said, farming is best unless there’s a high chance for a kill. If you’re in a lane and the enemy jungle gets both Mid Fury camps while you’re dawdling, you’re way behind.

Counterjungling is very iffy, and I’m not really an authority on it. If you’re playing someone who can 1v1 well, like Arachne, Bastet, Kali, or Tyr, feel free to ward up enemy buffs and jump them, but many junglers can’t invade, similar to League. I’d say stay away from it until you’re really comfortable at assessing power levels.

Disclaimer: I'm not a fantastic jungler, but these are the general principles.