What is Smite? Smite is a MOBA (or whichever term you prefer) in overview, but with a third person action gameplay that is more reminiscent of WoW’s gameplay. Your camera is locked into third person behind your character unless you’re dead, and you have to aim your abilities from this position, with only the minimap to guide you otherwise.
Smite’s “lore” is based around gods from different mythologies coming together to fight for two opposing armies. There are several game modes:
Conquest is basically Summoner’s Rift, with minor differences. The standard 3 lane and jungle layout with bases on either end. Arena is a brawling mode where you have a counter that ticks down from 500 whenever you kill a creep, kill an enemy god, or get your creeps across the arena floor. Assault is basically Howling Abyss. One lane, random picks, no jungle. Joust is a 1v1 or 2v2 mode with one lane and side jungle. A good way to learn new gods by yourself against other people without worrying about a full Conquest game. Domination is Dominion. I actually haven’t played it a whole lot.
All my notes here will be on Conquest, since that’s what most people end up playing as the “normal” game mode.
Mechanics notes, Or: Things that they don’t tell you the first game in
Your autoattacks are “skillshots”, in that they fire off of your left click button and shoot straight in front of you. They can be blocked by terrain and minions, so positioning is very key in this game.
Cripple is a new mechanic, which still allows you to move, attack, and cast, but prevents you from using any dash or jump moves.
Minions will fuck your shit up. Seriously, 3 archer minions can do more damage to you than the enemy god if you’re not paying attention.
Minions draw aggro on any damage to the god, including spells.
All (I think) Magical Damage gods gain a portion of their Magical Power on their auto attacks baseline.
The power level in this game is very high. Many champions will have the equivalent of LoL ults on their basic abilities.
What do I need to know about Conquest?
Since there is no isometric view (the control scheme you’re used to from LoL), the minimap will always show your team coming from the bottom of the map. However, the map is asymmetrical, moreso than League. Aside from the two big minion camps (Dragon and Baron equivalents), the side lanes are also not the same, one side having a shorter distance between outer towers. Since the minimap flips, and “left lane” for Invaders is different from “left lane” from Olympians, these are colloquially called “long lane” and “short lane” for purposes of the meta, or “FG lane” and “GF lane”.
There is no River going between lanes, so you’re always in the jungle if you want to roam. The jungle can be a dangerous place to be, as Fog of War actually limits your vision and hearing within it.
At the end of each lane is a Phoenix, which serves as both Tower and Inhibitor, and will respawn with minimal health after a certain amount of time before regen-ing. This means that if you’re near a Phoenix when it respawns, you can kill in relatively fast.
The enemy “Nexus” and turrets is replaced with a Minotaur. It’s big and beefy and hits hard, but you can also damage it with spells, meaning mages can do significant damage to it as well.
I’m not entirely up to spec on the meta just yet, but the gist is that you have a Mage go Mid (can be replaced with anyone with high pushing power), a Jungler (which are varied), a Hunter and either a tank or utility Mage in the Long Lane, and the Short Lane/Solo Laner can be pretty much anyone but you want them to be able to hold their own and fill out your team. When leveling, of course, who cares who goes where.
Gold Fury is the Dragon equivalent, and is located in the middle of the jungle on Long Lane side. Similarly, Fire Giant is the Baron equivalent and is located in the middle of the jungle on Short Lane side. Fire Giant isn’t nearly as deadly to teams as Baron is.
Terminology
Physical Power = AD
Magical Power = AP
Physical Protection = Armor
Magical Protection = MR
FG = Fire Giant
Role Names
Hunter is the term for ADC, that is, physical carry that does high damage with auto attacks
Mage is Mage. While they do most of their damage with spells, they do have Magic Power scaling on their autos (some more than others) and there are multiple items that give extra magic damage on autos.
Guardian is the general term for utility tank. These gods do magical damage, but generally are more focused on CC/defense than damage. They build protections and bodyguard.
Warriors are Bruisers/Fighters/those terms that LoL GD always fights over. They have some defenses built in, but also do a large amount of Physical damage. Not as much CC as Guardians, but more punch to compensate.
Assassins are exactly what it says on the tin. These gods are physical in nature and bring mobility, high single target burst, and low utility (usually).
Gods/Characters
Here I’ll give a quick rundown of each god and what they do. These won’t be too in depth, but should give you an idea of what to expect.
Agni Mage. He has a dash and his ultimate drops meteors on you from very long range, like an AP Kog ult. He has this AoE gas thing that does damage if you stand in it, and if any of his fire spells hit it, anyone in the gas gets stunned. Try to stay out of it. His ult has an ammo system that you can see around his head if you’re close enough.
Ah Muzen Cab Hunter. His passive applies a DoT on his abilities that hurts pretty bad. His hives give him passive boosts to AS, MS, and Hp5, and make his Honey apply his passive as well. His ult is a big nuke skillshot. Hives can only be killed with autos.
Anhur Hunter. Has Vayne’s Condemn (which also goes through minions so works as a waveclear), Trundle’s Pillar, and a jump that also knocks back. His ult is kind of like Lucian’s, but he can turn while using it. Standing on his Pillar’s sand will slow you and also makes you take more damage from him.
Anubis Mage, high damage. Has Elise’s stun skillshot, 2 AoEs, one a cone in front of him and one a long range ground circle. The latter slows, both hurt badly. His ult is like Malz’s on steroids that he can aim. Both his cone and his ult root him, though, so he’s high-risk high-reward.
Ao Kuang Mage, high damage. Has a skillshot nuke and a sprint that are nothing special, but be wary of his tornadoes. Standing in one applies (and reapplies if you stay) a DoT that does a stupid amount of damage baseline and also scales hard. His ult is a giant line nuke that deals high damage and knocks everyone aside (if they don’t die). Being in either is almost entirely a death sentence for all but the tankiest gods.
Aphrodite Mage, high utility. She links herself to an ally, giving them healing, mana regen, and incresed damage. She can also stun/slow/knockback enemies situationally. Her ult makes her and the connected god invulnerable and CC immune for a short duration.
Apollo Hunter. Has strong AS from his passive. His dash knocks aside, and he has an AoE stun centered on himself. His ult lets him fly into the air after a short delay, and then he can land anywhere in a large radius. Slippery to lock down: if you don’t CC him and burst him, he can get away easily.
Arachne Assassin. Strong jungler. Summons spiders, has an AoE slow. She can jump on a target’s back, doing damage and healing herself while silencing them. Her ult is Blitz’s pull that also stuns, on a relatively short CD, making her ganks rather scary.
Ares Guardian. Gains Magic Power from protections, so gets pretty scary later on. Chains will cripple and slow enemies, and he can fire them in succession if he lands them on a god. Has a cone fire ability. His ult is very powerful, chaining everyone in a radius and pulling them to him after a short delay if they don’t use a defensive maneuver.
Artemis Hunter. Kind of a mix between Ashe and Cait. Gets free Crit and AS from Passive + 2. Has traps that root and a Hail of Arrows that slow. Her ult makes her CC immune and summons a Boar that charges and stuns enemies.
Athena Guardian. If Shen and Leona had a baby it would be this chick. Melee, but after casting a spell gets a ranged attack. Blocks autos. Has an AoE cone taunt. Her ult gives an ally 25% DR and then she globally teleports to them, dealing AoE damage when she lands.
Bacchus Guardian. Decent damage, has an AoE slow, an AoE stun, and his ult makes enemy gods drunk (blurry screen and wobbly walking). CC depends on his drunkenness, which is a meter that fills and drains as he drinks.
Bakasura Assassin. Good jungler, can get really hyper-carry if you let him go, thanks to AoE autos on his ult and true damage on autos from 3 (which yes are applied to the AoE). He eats minions and then laters throws them up with his ult. Has a long range jump.
Bastet Assassin. Has 2 nukes, and LeBlanc’s jump (in that you can jump back after using it). Her ult summons cats that will seek out enemies that have recently been damaged by her. She has good damage, but you can kill her cats and CC her pretty easily.
Chang’e Mage, high utility. Has heals, mana regen, and protection buffs for her and nearby allies, basically making her Sona-esque. Her ult is basically Sona’s, a line stun. Her passive lets her send back her bunny as a courier to buy an item for her every now and then.
Chronos Mage, mix of damage and utility. Has a high damage but difficult AoE nuke. Also shoots out a line that stuns anyone caught in it, and his ult rewinds him to his position/health from 8 seconds ago. The big mechanic is Accelerate, which gives him MS and AS while also providing a buff depending on where his clock is at (difficult to explain, it’s a UI thing for him).
Cupid Hunter. Has a skillshot stun and an AoE suppress on his ult. He throws out hearts that can be picked up to heal himself and teammates, so he can work as both a damage dealer and a semi-support.
Fenrir Warrior. Has several jumps and a situational stun. Really high sticking power and sustain from free lifesteal. His ult makes him big, gives him extra protections, and makes him CC immune. During this time, he can grab an enemy in his mouth and carry them with him (usually to his team).
Freya Mage. Think Kayle. She’s melee normally, but her 2 makes her autos ranged. Her autos scale super hard with Magic Power, making her scary later. Has an AoE banish (enemies caught are CC’d but can’t be hurt). Her ult makes her fly up in the air, immune to damage and CC, and shoot fire down on enemies.
Guan Yu Warrior. His kit is all about giving himself CDR. Has an AoE heal, a dash that slows, and a frontal line attack that does damage and gives him extra protections. His ult lets him charge in on a horse, slowing and stunning enemies.
Hades Guardian. Ranged, with decent damage, so he’s like half Mage half Guardian. His autos apply a debuff that make his other abilities have special effects. He can fear, slow, and heal allies. Has a dash. His ult pulls in enemies around him (impossible to get out of without CC immunity or a jump) and does damage, like a Galio ult on steroids.
He Bo Mage, very high damage. Has a line nuke and a ground circle nuke that also knocks up, both with high bases and scaling. He drops a river that slows enemies and speeds up allies, kind of like Galio’s gust. His ult turns him into a wave and does a lot of damage to anyone he dashes through. He does just a dumb amount of damage.
Hel Mage, high utility. Switches forms between Dark (damage/debuff) and Light (buffs/healing). -Dark Stance: Debuffs enemy Magic Protection and has 2 nukes. Gets free Magic Power. -Light Stance: Self healing, team healing, team MS, and team CC removal.
Hercules Warrior. Gets free healing and physical power. Can knock enemies back, and then his 2 also can throw enemies back towards him at a certain range. His ult throws a boulder that does a large amount of damage and bounces off terrain.
Hun Batz Assassin. Kind of think Riven, has her passive (extra physical damage after ability cast) and high damage, and 2 jumps, all abilities AoE. His ult is like a placeable Hec ult, does damage and forces enemies to run away from it.
Isis Mage, good damage and utility. Her main nuke is 4 bursts that shoot out of her while she can move, also gives her MS. Has an AoE that lowers Magical Protections and slows. Her 2 is basically Anivia’s stunball. Her ult is Maokai’s on steroids, reducing damage taken inside of it and then explodes dealing damage but also healing your teammates inside of it, more damage/healing from more damage absorbed.
Kali Assassin. Good damage, high sustain, no CC. All her nukes are AoE and she has good MS boosts, so she can run in and kill people pretty well. Lack of CC or a jump/dash makes her kind of mitigatable.
Loki Assassin. Your basic assassin, really. Has stealth, a next-hit auto nuke, and a jump that nukes the person he hits and stuns them. Does more damage from behind, so better to face him. His decoy taunts minions and does AoE damage. Can jungle fairly well, also very slippery as the game goes on.
Mercury Assassin. Goes fast. His AoE nuke increases in radius as you level. If his dash hits you it stuns you and he can throw you in a direction of his choosing. Scales Physical Power off of MS and can ignore slows. Does a lot of damage on his autos. His ult is a huge range dash that spins around and stuns enemies caught in it.
Ne Zha Assassin. Has Amumu’s Bandage Toss. 2 gives him a AS+Crit steroid, making his autos a nightmare. His bouncing ring gives him MS and debuffs enemy Physical Protections. He gets really dangerous as he gets items. His ult charges forward, grabbing an enemy and dragging them into the air where he kicks their ass.
Neith Hunter. Line snare, AoE nuke that heals her, and Cait’s Net but without the slow and with huge range on the jump. She leaves these little glowy things on the ground, if you’re near one and she hits it with an ability, it does extra effects. Her ult is like Ashe Arrow + Cait Ult, as it locks on and stuns the target it hits. The longer she aims, the longer the stun and more damage. If the ult hits a glowy weave, everyone nearby is stunned and nuked.
Odin Warrior. He’s Jarvan. Like, Jarvan without the line knockup but with more free protections and a massive jump. His ult is basically Jarvan ult but can’t be dashed out of (can be jumped out of), and he gets massive offensive+defensive steroids and CC immunity within the ult.
Poseidon Mage, high damage. His passive stacks on auto attacks and drains on spell cast, the higher the stacks the more MS and damage he has. Has an auto steroid that makes his attacks AoE. Has a line nuke that knocks up, and a Pool that pulls enemies in and cripples them. His ult RELEASES THE KRAKEN, which nukes and knocks up enemies.
Ra Mage, high damage and utility. Lasers. Has Lux ult. His circle is AoE healing and damage, making him a good pick for both solo and duo lanes. His 2 is a self-centered slow and DoT that also blinds any enemies looking at him after the full duration. High bases, sustain, and utility lets him build semi-tanky and still be awesome.
Sobek Guardian. Singed + Renekton. His cone nuke sustains him, so he can solo lane as well as play support in a duo. Has a charge + Fling, and an AoE knockup. His ult makes him CC immune and regens mana, while slowing enemies in the radius. When it ends, he jumps up and does a bunch of damage.
Sun Wukong Warrior. Really strong and hard to kill. His passive gives him power and defense if under 50% health. He has a line nuke on 1 and a mini version of LoL!Wukong’s ult on his 2. His dash has 3 forms: Bird is fast and CC immune, Tiger will stun and damage the first target he hits, and Boar is CC immune, does damage, and knocks aside. His ult makes him jump in the air, leaving behind a clone that fights for him. On the cloud, he heals, and then can jump off in a direction of his choosing.
Thanatos Assassin. Heals off minion and god kills. Two AoE nukes, one of which silences, the other does %health damage and slows. Has a MS and slow immune buff. His passive is WW’s Blood Scent, but map wide, letting him see low health targets. His ult lets him fly in the air, if he lands on an enemy god under a certain health threshold, he kills them instantly.
Thor Warrior. Garen’s spin with a gap closer, a line stun, and a semi-global teleport (that also stuns on landing). His line stun leaves a wall, allowing him to cut off retreats even if it doesn’t land. Can jungle fairly well, as his ult ganks are super long range and unexpected.
Tyr Warrior. Semi-stance changer. His 1 is a dash and his 2 is a cleave in both stances, but the different stances have separate CDs and different effects. Offensive stance (red) gives free Physical Power, Defensive stance (blue) gives free protections. His ult is a jump that does AoE damage and slows, nothing special.
Vamana Warrior. He can steer his dash and it knocks aside anyone he hits, has an AoE and line nuke, the latter of which slows and reduces AS. His ult makes him big, giving him huge offensive/defensive/regen steroids and making him CC immune, but removing his ability to cast spells.
Vulcan Guardian. Half mage, really. He’s the Turret god, one is a cannon that shoots in a direction (doesn’t turn) and the other is an AoE slow and damage field. Think Heimer, as he gives regen and health/protections to his turrets. He also has a nuke that makes his turrets prioritize the target hit. His ult gives him a defensive steroid and MS boost, while allowing his cannon turret to turn full 360 degrees and auto-target gods.
Xbalanque Hunter. Has a toggle that makes his autos do extra damage and AoE, and an AoE slow/poison nuke as well. His dash does extra damage to enemies poisoned by his nuke. Kind of a Twitch/Ashe hybrid, but with a dash. His ult is like, half of a Nocturne ult as it removes vision on every enemy, but at the end of the duration anyone who is moving is stunned. He gets MS while his ult is active. He gains permanent Physical Power after the first 6 kills, giving him a very strong snowball early/mid game.
Ymir Guardian. If Nunu and Anivia had a baby. Has an AoE slow field that does damage when it hits. Has a cone shaped nuke. Anivia’s wall is his 1. His ult is Nunu’s ult, but with CC immunity so it can’t be cancelled by enemies. One of the best duo-lane bodyguards.
Zeus Mage. Think Kennen but without needing to get into melee. His passive applies a mark on all his autos and spells. His 3 detonates any marks on any location on the map, including enemies that are in the air such as Thanatos/Freya/Sun Wukong. Enemies with three marks are stunned upon detonation. His ult is a big AoE field that applies damage and marks over a duration. Also has a nice MS/protections buff/slow immunity on his 2.
Zhong Kui Mage. Sort of half-Guardian as well. Interesting kit, he marks enemies and then eats demons out of them, the more demons he eats the higher his protections from his passive. He marks enemies with a tag that does a DoT, then removes it with an AoE that heals him if the targets hit had a tag. When he ults, he gains double his protections and does AoE damage as well as healing allies, but after the ult is over his passive demon count is reset to zero.
Every account has Ra, Guan Yu, Neith, Ymir, and Thor unlocked, and there are 5 more gods on free rotation. Gods can be unlocked via Favor (IP) or Gems (RP). You can also spend $30 for the God Pack, which unlocks all current and future gods and refunds you for any gods you’ve already purchased.
Skins are also in this game. Every god has at least one recolor skin that you can purchase with Favor, but any “cool” or “unique” skins are Gem only. Golden Skins are unlockable through Favor and also require you to have played that god enough times to have rank 1 mastery with them. At rank 10 mastery, if you have the Gold skin you also unlock the Ultimate skin, which is Gold and Black.
You can also unlock Voice Packs with Gems, if you’re into that sort of thing.
Voice Packs? aka VGS
VGS is a system in the game that allows quick relay of information without typing. If you hit V, you open up a choice tree that has different options. With this, you can call out things like MIAs, ganks, or general commands quickly.
Voice packs will make it so, if you're playing a god you have the pack for, you hear the calls in their voice instead of the default announcer, as do your teammates.
Some examples follow:
To Read: If you see a #, pressing 1 will indicate Left Lane, 2 will indicate Mid Lane, and 3 will indicate Right Lane. Pressing the previous button again will indicate a general call. So VG1 is “Gank Left Lane!”, while VGG is “Gank!”.
VF# - Enemy Missing!
VG# - Gank!
VA# - Attack!
VH# - Help!
VD# - Defend!
Note: Adding an S after the V in any of the above will change it to “I’ll do X!”. So, VSG1 is “I’ll gank left lane!” and VSDD is “I’ll Defend!”.
Same is it does in League… sorta. You pick a god with sustain and ganking prowess, then you farm the jungle and gank. You generally get help on your first 2 camps.
Bumba’s mask is the jungling item, as it gives you healing when you kill a jungle creep, gives you increased Mp5 in the jungle, and extra gold from killing jungle monsters as long as you’re by yourself. Junglers will start with this and then either another item or an active.
Any god can only ever have 1 jungle buff at a time, so what a lot of junglers do is start red (damage) or orange (MS/AS) and then do Blue (mana regen and CDR) and give the buff to a teammate. Coordinate with your teammates to make sure no buff ever gets wasted.
Gods that are currently good junglers as of this guide: Thor, Bakasura, Anubis, Arachne, Loki, Thanatos, Sun Wukong, Tyr, Fenrir, Bastet, He Bo, Hun Batz, Kali, Ne Zha.
More Coming Soon
Items
I’m not going to do a full rundown of items, but you should be able to figure out what items are at least useful. Ability focused people want CDR. Hunters want Physical Power/Pen/AS/Crit. Assassins want MS/AS/PPower. Guardians want a mix of Protections and Health, maybe MPen if they can get it. Mages want MPower/MPen/CDR.
There are of course gods that are different. Certain mages (Chronos/Zeus/Freya) like AS because of their mechanics. Ah Muzen Cab likes CDR to an extent. Certain gods want more MS because they have no mobility options.
A good way to get started is to open up the item tab labeled Popular. This gives a list of highly bought items for that god across all players. The recommended items also aren’t horrible either.
All items, aside from the 4 starter items, can be upgraded twice, sometimes with multiple paths. If you’re just starting, getting boots and another item and then finishing boots is generally a good way to start.
There are certain items that don’t take up your 6 item slots. Consumables have 2 slots, these are wards, potions, elixirs, and one-use teleports.
Actives also have 2 separate slots. These are abilities that would be Summoner Spells or active items in League. These are very powerful and are necessary to counter some gods. For example, good Aegis (which is basically Zhonya active) use can negate Poseidon’s combo completely. You need at least one Creeping Curse if they have a big Bakasura or Ne Zha on their team. Certain ults become amazing with Blink (Flash that can’t be used in combat).
General Tips/Other
When you first install, there will be an option selected labeled “Auto Level Skills/Auto Buy Items” or something similar. You can leave this on for a while until you get a hang of the gods you like, at which point you should know what you want to level and when, which may be different from the recommended options.
For the first while, don’t worry about your team. Play who you think is fun. Teamcomp matters, but not as much early on. Don’t be afraid to play against bots either.
On November 20 2013 04:25 Requizen wrote: I would assume that many of the gods are obscure if you don't know the lore. I don't recognize any of the Hindu or Mayan gods.
Also Guan Yu isn't technically a god in the traditional sense.
On November 20 2013 04:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:13 canikizu wrote: Do we call characters in Smite heroes, champions or gods?
i propose we call them gods in dota, heroes in league, and champions in smite to piss off all three demographics
zhong kui is obscure as fuck lol surprised he's a character
only so many god-things to go through
i mean fucking slacker religion christianity only has 1 wtf it's even 1 when it's 3 which is like a joke
can you imagine the uproar if they implemented Jesus??? lol
maybe it would be k if he can oneshot everything at every level cuz omnipotent and stuff.
if they don't do that then he's stuck with moves like "make water to wine" which while cool for the player doesn't really do much in a MOBA (suck it) setting
On November 20 2013 04:25 Requizen wrote: I would assume that many of the gods are obscure if you don't know the lore. I don't recognize any of the Hindu or Mayan gods.
Also Guan Yu isn't technically a god in the traditional sense.
Guan Yu is worshipped as a God forever in traditional folk religions, Taosim, Confucianism though. He's basically God of War version of East Asia. It might seem a little awkward since he's a real figure, but so are Jesus or Buddha. In my house we have a small status of him at the front door for safety, because he's a guardian god.
On November 20 2013 04:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:13 canikizu wrote: Do we call characters in Smite heroes, champions or gods?
i propose we call them gods in dota, heroes in league, and champions in smite to piss off all three demographics
zhong kui is obscure as fuck lol surprised he's a character
only so many god-things to go through
i mean fucking slacker religion christianity only has 1 wtf it's even 1 when it's 3 which is like a joke
can you imagine the uproar if they implemented Jesus??? lol
maybe it would be k if he can oneshot everything at every level cuz omnipotent and stuff.
if they don't do that then he's stuck with moves like "make water to wine" which while cool for the player doesn't really do much in a MOBA (suck it) setting
jesus can revive and heal. he would be a good support or some shit like that
On November 20 2013 04:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:13 canikizu wrote: Do we call characters in Smite heroes, champions or gods?
i propose we call them gods in dota, heroes in league, and champions in smite to piss off all three demographics
zhong kui is obscure as fuck lol surprised he's a character
only so many god-things to go through
i mean fucking slacker religion christianity only has 1 wtf it's even 1 when it's 3 which is like a joke
can you imagine the uproar if they implemented Jesus??? lol
This could probably spawn a conversation worth moving to the OT thread, but that would certainly be pretty hypocritical of us(not saying it wouldn't happen, it would). When another culture gets angry about the depiction of their deity(Muhammad) we brush it off and laugh about it, but don't you dare turn Jesus into a video game character!
On November 20 2013 04:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:13 canikizu wrote: Do we call characters in Smite heroes, champions or gods?
i propose we call them gods in dota, heroes in league, and champions in smite to piss off all three demographics
zhong kui is obscure as fuck lol surprised he's a character
only so many god-things to go through
i mean fucking slacker religion christianity only has 1 wtf it's even 1 when it's 3 which is like a joke
can you imagine the uproar if they implemented Jesus??? lol
This could probably spawn a conversation worth moving to the OT thread, but that would certainly be pretty hypocritical of us(not saying it wouldn't happen, it would). When another culture gets angry about the depiction of their deity(Muhammad) we brush it off and laugh about it, but don't you dare turn Jesus into a video game character!
Well, more because the game is set around "mythology", and that would certainly piss people off if Hi-Rez was like "yo, this jesus dude is a myth".
I'm sure the uproar would be very large if Mohammed or another "current god" were depicted in a game about mythological battle between religions.
There were issues with some of the Hindu gods being implemented, but that was mainly over Kali's dress over the fact that they were in a game. As a Christian, I don't get offended when Christian ideology gets implemented in games. I rather enjoy the DMC games and Bayonetta, as well as things like Darksiders.
There would likely be less grumbling over an Archangel like Michael, Gabriel, Uriel, or Raphael being implemented.
Posted this in OT, new patch. I'll update the respective gods changed when I get a chance.
There's a new patch that should come out relatively soon.
-Vulcan rework, lost AoE turret but gained his old dash and a new AoE knockback, ult buffed. -AMC nerfed fairly significantly on both passive and Hives -Fist of the Gods nerfed -Aphro Knockback changed (buff/nerf) -Arachne buffed ult -Ares slightly buffed -Athena ult nerfed -Bastet minor damage buff -Chang'e slightly buffed -Chronos Accelerate nerfed -Cupid buffed -Freya ult slightly nerfed -Mercury ult slightly nerfed -Odin buffed/nerfed -Vamana minor buff -Zeus damage nerf, utility change (2 stronger at early ranks) -Zhong Kui nerf to passive protections and ult (no longer heals allies)
On November 20 2013 04:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:13 canikizu wrote: Do we call characters in Smite heroes, champions or gods?
i propose we call them gods in dota, heroes in league, and champions in smite to piss off all three demographics
zhong kui is obscure as fuck lol surprised he's a character
only so many god-things to go through
i mean fucking slacker religion christianity only has 1 wtf it's even 1 when it's 3 which is like a joke
can you imagine the uproar if they implemented Jesus??? lol
This could probably spawn a conversation worth moving to the OT thread, but that would certainly be pretty hypocritical of us(not saying it wouldn't happen, it would). When another culture gets angry about the depiction of their deity(Muhammad) we brush it off and laugh about it, but don't you dare turn Jesus into a video game character!
Well, more because the game is set around "mythology", and that would certainly piss people off if Hi-Rez was like "yo, this jesus dude is a myth".
I'm sure the uproar would be very large if Mohammed or another "current god" were depicted in a game about mythological battle between religions.
I personally think it would be hilarious.
I get that there are differences, I'm just saying that we still don't have much of a leg to stand on when it comes to getting bent out of shape about the depiction of other religious figures/deities, because we've doled it out pretty good the other direction(and it's not just that South Park episode).
quoting you from OT Req as I think this should be our hub for Smite discussion
On November 20 2013 06:15 Requizen wrote: Changing Bees! and Hive is mostly an early game nerf, I'd argue. His mid/late game power should remain relatively the same.
Hive nerf is insane. Having both the cooldown doubled and the hives available halved completely torches his mobility (which is already limited to only running fast - he has no other escapes). It definitely hurts more late game, when you want to be moving around a lot. Also, having a 16s cooldown is stupid because they are incredibly easy to kill with auto attacks.
The Bees! nerf is reasonable, although kinda makes him have almost no passive now.
Possibly, but I'm still ok with it. Hives right now don't feel like they require a lot of decision making, you just kind of throw them down willy nilly wherever and it's fine because you have another one in a couple seconds. Feels like now you hold onto the Hive until you're sure in your positioning.
You really shouldn't have issues with MS later in the game, I'd argue. Heartseeker, Fatalis, and Golden Bow are all good items on him, and of course you can grab Sprint if you don't need both Aegis and Beads.
I mean, you're wrong. The point is to create a network of hives that you can utilize. I'm fine with a 16s CD if they left it at 8 hives. Then you can throw them down less often. They literally made the skill 4x worse.
And it's not about have MS issues. It's the fact that his only mobility is through his hives. Think of the other hunters. They have escapes or something that they can utilize to help escape (Artemis and Pumba). AMC's 3 slows a little, but not a whole lot. He really relies on having that extra MS for chase and retreat.
Time will tell. His the steroids that Hives give already make him fairly strong in comparison to other hunters, and his self peel in 3 and 4 are nothing special, but nothing to sneeze at either.
I was under the impression that he was far and away the best hunter pick in the game at the moment, while the nerf may have been a bit harsh I think some sort of change was warranted. If it's too much they'll change him back.
Uh, if you want mythologies and shit implemented you have Atlus' SMT games. It's not like the archangels, Metatron, Satan, Lucifer, and Lilith are all classified as different races/species of "demons" along with Hindu, Norse, Japanese, European mainland, etc. deities, heroes and mythos and you often end up either working with the totalitarian lawful "God" faction or the libertarian "survival of the fittest" demonic one in most of these games, when you don't outright kill Yavhe.
Yes, it's free to play. There are 5 gods that are unlocked for every account, and 5 more on a rotation. Favor and Gems are IP and RP respectively, so you can unlock all gods (and recolor skins) without ever paying a cent.
That said, many people, including myself, paid for the $30 "God Pack", which unlocks all current gods and gives you immediate access to all released gods in the future. It's a very good deal if you want to make a one time expenditure.
On November 20 2013 04:25 Requizen wrote: I would assume that many of the gods are obscure if you don't know the lore. I don't recognize any of the Hindu or Mayan gods.
Also Guan Yu isn't technically a god in the traditional sense.
Yeah, Hercules really isn't either... O_o
Hercules ascended into Olympus after death IIRC, making him a god despite genetically being only a demigod.
On November 21 2013 00:35 Requizen wrote: Yes, it's free to play. There are 5 gods that are unlocked for every account, and 5 more on a rotation. Favor and Gems are IP and RP respectively, so you can unlock all gods (and recolor skins) without ever paying a cent.
That said, many people, including myself, paid for the $30 "God Pack", which unlocks all current gods and gives you immediate access to all released gods in the future. It's a very good deal if you want to make a one time expenditure.
Makes sense ! I'll DL it tonight and see how I feel about it, I'd like to have another new game at hand for the couple-geeking-nights with milady, and Smite looks terribly cool from what I saw :D
When I first started playing earlier this year, the internet rumor was that beta end was going to be around August. I expected it to be over by the time I started again, but it seems to be still fairly well in flux.
Someone said that they want to hit a certain number of gods before the beta is over. There's 45 as of now, with one pretty regularly coming out every few weeks, month at the latest.
On November 20 2013 04:25 Requizen wrote: I would assume that many of the gods are obscure if you don't know the lore. I don't recognize any of the Hindu or Mayan gods.
Also Guan Yu isn't technically a god in the traditional sense.
Yeah, Hercules really isn't either... O_o
sorry, cant let it go.
Herakles ascended to the olymp as a god after he died
Oh, Scip allready wrote it, i apologize, overlooked it.
On November 20 2013 04:25 Requizen wrote: I would assume that many of the gods are obscure if you don't know the lore. I don't recognize any of the Hindu or Mayan gods.
Also Guan Yu isn't technically a god in the traditional sense.
Yeah, Hercules really isn't either... O_o
sorry, cant let it go.
Herakles ascended to the olymp as a god after he died
I've been playing the game a bit and settled on Anubis for now, I feel like I'm playing Malz on steroids with an Elise stun to top it off, all the damagez
I'm having trouble choosing between the different active skills. There are so many! So far I've been going the recommended Meditation/sprint most of the time (obvious blink on Ymir)... Also, jungler item, Bumba's mask felt bad, the talon/mark (hp/mana on hit or -dmg taken) felt a lot better. just tried it once though.
I played like 50 games as jungle Tyr and just ran from lane to lane 1shotting people with 1 combo. Then they nerfed it and I lost interest .-. I wonder if it's better.
On December 05 2013 08:34 Slusher wrote: too busty cover her up hi-rez have you no shame!!!!!
Aphro and Neith are laughing right now.
New god seems interesting... maybe a bit strong. Minion summoning, AoE stealth, and stunning that can also affect structures is going to make her one of the strongest supports in the game.
Happy that Friends and Party are getting overhauls, those kinda sucked prior to this.
I like the new Aegis, and Eye's nerf is pretty justified.
It used to be just on her partner, then changed just to her so she would have a self-defensive move. She's already pretty low on the pick list from what I've seen, so I'm not too worried about this change.
such a good sunday installing and playing. i just went and bought all the players for such a good deal. i am having so much fun stomping other new players with apollo.
I jut installed the game couple days ago to play with my friend. He told me to just pick GuanYu and play it like Dynasty Warrior. I was like, ok. I'm 10win0lose with GuanYu right now, dude is strong as fuk at beginner level lol.
Is it me, or did they omit to mention what's the "power" of Nu Wa's earth crystal? Maybe it doesn't have any since it's active all the time anyway, but in that case they could also have mentioned it in the reveal, just to clear things up.
you have to be out of combat for 5s to use blink wtf is that crap lol i guess i should have read it before i bought it. is smite fire as bad as moba fire? got any good recommendations for learning guides/builds/meta for new players? other than this wonderful thread of course
On December 11 2013 00:48 ComaDose wrote: you have to be out of combat for 5s to use blink wtf is that crap lol i guess i should have read it before i bought it. is smite fire as bad as moba fire? got any good recommendations for learning guides/builds/meta for new players? other than this wonderful thread of course
At 3rd tier of blink you can purchase a combat blink with a much longer cooldown.
Smitefire is bad.
For learning builds, I kinda stuck to some combination of recommended/popular items. Once you start to figure out what items do and what you like, then you can deviate.
Meditation is almost always bad on Conquest. Every other active is fairly good in different ways.
On November 20 2013 04:20 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
On November 20 2013 04:13 canikizu wrote: Do we call characters in Smite heroes, champions or gods?
i propose we call them gods in dota, heroes in league, and champions in smite to piss off all three demographics
zhong kui is obscure as fuck lol surprised he's a character
only so many god-things to go through
i mean fucking slacker religion christianity only has 1 wtf it's even 1 when it's 3 which is like a joke
can you imagine the uproar if they implemented Jesus??? lol
Jesus is actually in the game. He's an easter egg NPC, was located in the crowd on the Joust map. They recently moved him, but I don't know where he is now.
lol ive been using meditation every game... damn recommended items. purification beads seems stronger than cleanse and grants escapes for the squishy characters im enjoying.. but maybe hard for me to remember in the heat of battle while im new.
On December 11 2013 01:08 ComaDose wrote: lol ive been using meditation every game... damn recommended items. purification beads seems stronger than cleanse and grants escapes for the squishy characters im enjoying.. but maybe hard for me to remember in the heat of battle while im new.
Did you play WoW? I found that binding Beads to my WoW Trinket hotkey fixed the "forgot about actives" problem instantly.
Meditation isn't necessarily bad, it's just more of a crutch for players who can't manage mana. Since you can't sell actives, and it's horrible later on, it's never recommended to buy it, but it actually is a powerful laning tool, especially for people who have innate health sustain but go through mana fast. Once you get into teamfighting/pushing, you're going to wish you had 2 slots for other actives, though.
For new players, it's not horrible, but it will point you out as a new player to anyone looking.
I think some items are just powerhouses, some others are given in certain roles, so your choosable item-pool is 3-4 + actives (which depend on opposition mostly). At least for brawler kind of gods.
Hah, yeah, you'll soon learn the art of activating abilities (especially 2) while strafing.
Beads is great. Aegis is really good, especially the new tier they added (lets you move while immune to damage, but still susceptible to CC - basically kayle ult). Sprint is very good on ADCs.
You'll get used to using the actives in fights - they're your summoner spells, except you get to choose mid game based on how things are going.
On December 11 2013 01:21 Requizen wrote: Meditation isn't necessarily bad, it's just more of a crutch for players who can't manage mana. Since you can't sell actives, and it's horrible later on, it's never recommended to buy it, but it actually is a powerful laning tool, especially for people who have innate health sustain but go through mana fast. Once you get into teamfighting/pushing, you're going to wish you had 2 slots for other actives, though.
For new players, it's not horrible, but it will point you out as a new player to anyone looking.
Yeah it's not really a bad active, but you don't actually need it that much. If you have mana problem, just get some mana potion. And if you don't want to get mana potion, I think even Teleport to Tower actiive is better than Mediation, it takes a little time, sure, but you get to heal hp and mana and buy stuff too.
On December 11 2013 01:24 Duvon wrote: The teamheal upgrade of meditation can be nice for a supporty god though.
In theory, sure. However, it's really not a big enough restore and on too long of a cooldown to be worth the investment most of the time. I mean, Hel's Light Stance 3 can basically heal the same amount on a fraction of the CD. And to buy it you give up Beads, Aegis, Sprint, etc. Mana regen and even heals (especially a huge CD one like Meditate) lose their value as the game goes on. As a support, I'd rather have HoG to help push, Eye for free wards, or Beads/Aegis for myself. If you really want a supporty active, Girdle is amazing to skyrocket your team's damage.
Given this discussion, I'll probably do a quick write up of popular/good/bad items per role at some point, unless someone else wants to pitch in.
It's actually rather varied, especially compared to something like League. I often only have 1 or 2 core items per character (aside from boots, obv) and the rest are situational, but there are some items that are better than others.
On December 11 2013 03:13 Requizen wrote: Given this discussion, I'll probably do a quick write up of popular/good/bad items per role at some point, unless someone else wants to pitch in.
It's actually rather varied, especially compared to something like League. I often only have 1 or 2 core items per character (aside from boots, obv) and the rest are situational, but there are some items that are better than others.
I can help put my $.02 in probably. I'm still figuring stuff out as well, but I'm trying to catch pro games when I can to get insight on item builds.
On December 11 2013 03:03 jcarlsoniv wrote: if by "fun" you mean "stupid as all hell" then yes, I agree
is stupid as hell a good thing? I would get good use out of a general item guide. as it is i'm clueless and there doesn't seem to be a lot of resources.
On December 11 2013 03:36 Requizen wrote: It'd be funny if I set up a website for Smite info and it actually got big. Too bad I'm way too lazy.
Sun Wukong is just super annoying. His passive, although recently nerfed, makes him so tank when he's low, and he has so much damn mobility.
such good dueling. and if your going to die just go to nimbus for break. i have not quite mastered the 72 transformations tho. Is there some way to cancel early? i usually end up mashing buttons and running into walls eventually. the ox has a bad turning radius and the eagle is so fast i get to where i want to be and flap around like a fool till it wears off. E: and he has the same voice actor as goku!?
On December 11 2013 03:36 Requizen wrote: It'd be funny if I set up a website for Smite info and it actually got big. Too bad I'm way too lazy.
Sounds like a great project honestly. Shows initiative and competence.
Yes, but it actually requires doing work. Do you know us mordek?
Not as well as I'd like but one can always offer encouragement
It sounds like something where if you do it and it turns out meh it was a good experience. If it takes off for some reason you'll look back and think you would have been foolish to pass it up. And Req has free time now!
So I'm doing a A-Z playthrough of all the gods right now. Couple impressions. One, there is a FUCK TON of leavers/afkers. It'll probably get better but out of my like...20-ish games I've had maybe 6~7 games without someone leaving or going afk. Asides from that it's pretty fun although I'm terribad at hitting skillshots.
Anyone have a tier list or something? Gods that are good or ones that are just bad? Atm I've had the most trouble playing Anubis and Bacchus. The former 'cause half his skills are channeling so I jsut get gibbed + I've hit his stun like...twice - he's so hard T-T. Bacchus I heard is supposed to be good but iunno...I just go oom so fast trying to stay drunk.
Anubis is a good pubstomper, but isn't very good competitively. Bacchus is crazy good. His early game is a little hairy because of mana issues, but once he gets past that he's a monster.
Most all of the gods are good in their own way and perfectly usable. I don't know who I would rank at bottom of the barrel. Probably Bastet.
Bastet and Vulcan are considered the "low tier" gods right now. There are better picks per role, but I wouldn't say that there are any gods that are like pre-change Eve or Heimer in uselessness.
This is a list of picks/bans from last week's NA and EU tournaments, if you want to see who competitively-oriented gods are. It seems that:
Supports: Athena/Sobek/Bacchus. Very few picks outside of these 3, not due to others being weak, but them being strong.
Hunter: Anhur/Art/Neith are the popular picks, and I feel their kits are on the stronger side. XBal and Apollo see picks from time to time as well, but Apollo really wants to be in a splitpush situation, and right now meta is more towards rotations and teamfights.
Mage: Zeus is considered pretty broken right now. Agni is a popular pick, but I never thought he was that strong. He Bo/Ao have always been mainstays.
Assassin/Jungle: Merc is on the top end of the game, and Thor is deceptively strong. I don't think there are any really weak assassins, but Loki's jungling is considered a bit weaker (clear speed, item reliance, and pre-ult ganking) and Arachne falls off a bit.
Warriors: Wukong is very strong, despite repeated nerfs. Just a good kit. Guan and Tyr are consistent picks as well.
But honestly I've seen good players for almost every character. Anubis might have some issues, but his damage is pretty bonkers once he has like 1 item, and his anti-dive with stun+ult is pretty good late game.
I tried zeus but i was terribad. what makes him broken right now in your opinion? Also why does apollo want to be in a split push situation? Hes my favorite hunter :3
On December 12 2013 02:17 ComaDose wrote: I tried zeus but i was terribad. what makes him broken right now in your opinion? Also why does apollo want to be in a split push situation? Hes my favorite hunter :3
Zeus is suuuuuuper good. His auto-attack progression (1/1/triple attack) is insanely good for applying the lightning stacks, and then 3 stack detonate on multiple targets because of chain lightning + ult means your damage output is huge.
Apollo likes split push because he has a lot of mobility and a bit of CC. His dash + ult makes him really hard to lock down. He's probably my least favorite hunter, tied with Xbl
Zeus's strength comes from his 3 and 2. The burst damage and stun on his 3 are top tier compared to many other abilities, and you can stack super fast with his autos. Auto-attack mages are pretty good right now, so you can build him either for auto damage and get great sustained power, or CDR/MPower and get massive burst.
His 2 is also considered one of the best defensive spells in the game, definitely top for mages, comparable to many tanks. Protections, a sprint, slow immunity, and stacking his passive all in one ability. You can focus one target and let the enemy Hunter stack you passive on themselves while you can't be pinned down. His ult is also really good to combo with many other teamfighting ults.
I'll have to give him another try. I tried Freya last night and holy shit she is fun. like kayle but wayyyyyy better looking. i just love everything about her model and animations. pew pew pew
Ares has seemed super strong against lowbies (i am level 10~). That ultimate is so game changing, and newbies just chase you around while you have your 1 and 3 on them the whole time.
Ill prolly have to learn how to jungle now, what are the most newbie friendly junflers in Smite?
Most junglers are those listed as Assassins. I think Thanatos is probably the easiest jungler, but Thor, Ne Zha, Hun Batz, and Bakasura are pretty good for newer players as well.
Some Warriors can jungle - most notably Tyr, but Wukong and Herc are good picks too.
I've seen Athena jungle a handful of times. Her early clear is pretty low (though you generally get help til halfway to level 2), but her ganks are really good.
On December 12 2013 03:19 Gaslo wrote: Ares has seemed super strong against lowbies (i am level 10~). That ultimate is so game changing, and newbies just chase you around while you have your 1 and 3 on them the whole time.
Ill prolly have to learn how to jungle now, what are the most newbie friendly junflers in Smite?
Ares is very good at all levels of play. Sure, his ult is countered by beads, but 1. beads isn't always up and 2. not everyone will have beads.
The new Kali is very, very fun. I think she's rather strong, her 1 and 3 make her immediately stronger than before, since she can now close distances and CC.
I guess they're not doing a God reveal video for her? Usually it would be up by now.
Also, the new Fenrir skin is like, the best thing.
I haven't really played him much in Conquest, so idk about iteam builds. But my skill order is usually 4>3>2>1. The mana cost on 1 goes up really fast, so you don't really wanna be maxing it early I don't think. I haven't done too much research into him yet, so take it with a grain of salt.
Man, I just got a very close Arena game last night, the end score was we won with point 1-0. I had like 200 hp left and was blocked by Ymir's wall too, would have been dead in the next 5 seconds. That's as close as it can get lol.
That Arena mode, there's something about getting cheered on by the audience while going ham makes me addicted.
I would say Tiermonster is slightly better than Smitefire, many of the guides are by prominent streamers/pros. Still, neither is perfect.
Smite Repo is an interesting tool. It takes aggregate builds from live servers and puts up the info, so you get a look at what's popular. Since it's average, it can be hit-or-miss, but overall it's fine.
What gods were you thinking about? I can give you some pointers.
Bacchus and Sobek are top-tier support tanks. However, like someone like Leona, they bring only moderate damage of their own and require teammates to follow up on their CC.
There are a few ways to build Guardian types, depending on how you want to play and how you're doing in lane. Almost always, you'll want Hand of the Gods as one of your actives (lets you help push the lane and secure jungle), and you can get Eye of Providence for free wards (like Sightstone, it pays itself off over time) to be standard. You can trade Eye out for one of the other Actives that you think you might need (Aegis or Beads if you want to dodge enemy abilities, Girdle if you want to buff your allies, etc).
Generally you can start with two rank 1 Actives and one item. Mark of the Vanguard is good for early tankiness (though like a Doran's item, you'll end up selling it), while Watcher's Gift gives some lane sustain and extra income, but can leave you a bit more squishy.
There are two real schools of thought when it comes to Sobek or Bacchus (or Ymir/Athena, for that matter). Build tanky because you have CC and can be credit to team, or build damage because even tanks have pretty decent ratios and damage in Smite.
Your Boots pick will reflect this, you can go Shoes for damage (MPen is better than CDR on nearly every god), Boots for utility (if you can get Midas early, lots of gold nom nom), or Greaves for tankiness (either are good imo).
Void Stone is a good item for either build, but if you want to go more tanky, Bulwark is your big choice. You can get Wall of Absolution for Physical Protection and Magic damage, but Sovereignty and Breastplate of Valor are stronger straight PhysProt options.
If you're going more damage, Pen Boots + Void Stone into a straight magic item like Polynomicon or Rod of Tahuti is a solid way to go. If you want more defensiveness, choice boots into Void Stone/Sovereignty and then something like Mystical Mark or Hide of the Leviathan works well.
Sorry for rambling, but basically: you can go pew pew and rely on natural defenses or tanky and just be unkillable. Either is relatively competitive. Sovereignty is overall a good item, Void and Bulwark are the only real MagProt choices, you'll generally want health after getting one. Regen items suck 99% of the time.
thanks Do you usually start the game with actives or is it something you pick up later in the game? I've been neglecting to buy actives 'til much later.
On December 17 2013 16:59 Ryuu314 wrote: thanks Do you usually start the game with actives or is it something you pick up later in the game? I've been neglecting to buy actives 'til much later.
You should go through past broadcast of smitepro and find out the gods you like, then learn from those games.
Hunters(adc) don't usually need active first. Guardians, solo laner, junglers usually get hands of the god first to clear buffs.
On December 17 2013 16:59 Ryuu314 wrote: thanks Do you usually start the game with actives or is it something you pick up later in the game? I've been neglecting to buy actives 'til much later.
You should go through past broadcast of smitepro and find out the gods you like, then learn from those games.
Hunters(adc) don't usually need active first. Guardians, solo laner, junglers usually get hands of the god first to clear buffs.
Yep. HoG is like Smite in League but way better since it's AoE. With it, you can get buffs and secure Fire Giant/Gold Fury. Solo laners and Guardians get it to push hard. Even if you have good clear, it's instant wave push once you learn to position it right.
As for Mages/Hunters, it depends. You'll almost always have either one of Aegis or Beads, and sometimes both. Sprint is really nice if you can swing it, but since it's not necessary and Beads/Aegis are amazing, you rarely get it. Which Aegis upgrade you get is up to you and the situation you're in.
Certain laners will get Teleport, in fact it's almost necessary in some side solo lanes, so you see a lot of HoG/Tele. Mid can get it if you're going back a lot, but some mids only go back once or twice and then can sit in lane and clear without worry (such as Ao).
Certain gods like Blink. Ymir gets it for amazing Blink -> Stun -> Ult combos. Ares can grab it to Ult initiate. Tyr gets it for fancy Blink behind -> Offensive 1/2 into your team kills.
In certain Situations your team will want Creeping Curse for one of its upgrades. Enfeebling Curse can shut down people like Bakasura, Freya, or many Hunters - while Weakening Curse is highly useful for Hel, Ra, and (less so) Chang'e. If it's necessary, the Jungle or solo laner can grab it, or the Guardian can trade Eye for it.
Shard is pretty bad. Girdle is situational, you need to be an all-kill team and rather ahead for it to be super useful.
Meditate is only fringe-useful. Picking it up at level 1 will out you as a noob, the only goddess it's even particularly useful on Aphro, on everyone else but her, leave it.
Generally not worth the tradeoff, just stock up on mana pots and play a bit more conservatively early. His kill potential at 5 is insane, even if you don't harass much before that point and just use your abilities to peel, it's amazing.
Gonna have to trump you a bit regarding actives for hunters Req. Sprint is really fucking good. Like, T3 Sprint giving you no backpedal penalty and doesn't slow you when you auto attack is very strong for both skirmishes and all out team fights. It lets you sneak around corners and chase people really well.
Secondary active is usually either beads or aegis. If they have something that I absolutely need to use beads for (ares/fenrir ult), then I get beads. Otherwise, I usually get mobile aegis.
On December 17 2013 17:48 Ryuu314 wrote: Is Meditate good on Bacchus? He seems to have huge mana problems early. Or is the tradeoff for a more useful active later not worth it.
Yes, Bacchus has mana issues early on. However, don't buy meditate like, ever in Conquest. There's almost no point. You just have to get used to having dota-like mana costs and rely on your 2 for CC when you don't have the mana pool to spam 1 for tipsy stuns. It starts being less of a problem once you hit 6, base mana pools increase pretty naturally in this game. You kinda just wait out the miserable period and then dunk everyone with your belly late game.
From watching Hunters on streams and Youtube, I'd agree. Like I said, Sprint is pretty amazing. However, Hunters (like ADCs in LoL) are rather item dependent, so what I often see is people finishing their Boots+Heartseeker (with 1 rank in Beads if lots of CC in lane) before getting Sprint. Most Hunters end Beads/Sprint, Aegis/Sprint, or Beads/Aegis.
Yeah some adjustments needed on those numbers... His kit is pretty nice though, i liked playing him.
Level 15 now, Ares still my strongest god by far, 80% winrate now... Have been trying out Change and Ne Zha, and thinking about adding herc to the list too. Ne Zha seems fun, i just miss all my stuns and ults on him.
Do you guys build defensive items on hunters, or just trust your summoners? Those rare times i play hunter, i've just been going full class cannon, and then maybe getting aegis when needed.
I find that Hunters rarely need defensive items. Given how strong Aegis and/or Beads are, and that many Hunters have (compared to LoL, anyway) high amounts of CC, mobility, or even built-in sustain, it's not as necessary. That said, I've never seen that many 6 item Hunters, as top-level games are generally shorter and PysPower items are generally more expensive.
That said, the Magi's Blessing and Hide of the Leviathan lines are both really good one-item defensive buys, giving all 3 major defensive stats and CC reduction.
Chaak is so fun. I don't even bother skilling his 3 in most cases cause you win in hrass and all-ins with most other gods. Free spells+silly base damages OP.
I mean, I get at least one point in his 3 - the sustain is obviously nice for fights, as well as the slow (although it's fairly insignificant at one point).
I like what they're going for with him, his 1, 2 combo is super fun to use. 3 second silence on his ult is probably a bit overboard.
On December 22 2013 09:53 canikizu wrote: Question: Why is Thanatos's 3rd autoattack is aoe? Are there any gods that have aoe autoattack like him?
Ne Zha has AoE on the final auto of his chain, I think that's it. Plenty of gods have an attack chain, it's important to know how yours works. For example, timing the sped up shots for Zeus to stack his passive is important, and knowing which auto on Loki will burst increases your damage output.
And see, since Reddit is the official Smite forum, it's hard for me to actually see how much of it is just mob noob QQ or a lot of people actually think this way.
This is part of why I can't wait to get into ranked - I really want to see where I fall in the general Smite community skill-wise.
Jungling is a bit different from League, especially in the early game. In a serious match, you’re going to spend some time with your solo laner. To this end, the starting route differs depending on whether you’re Olympian or Invader side. Either way, your starting items will likely be the same.
Items Most junglers start with the same 3 items each game.
Bumba’s Mask is the jungle item, giving you passive mp5 when you’re in the jungle, as well as giving you a significant heal when you kill a jungle monster. Additionally, gold isn’t split when you have allies nearby, so you get more gold when you help people with camps.
Rank 1 Hand of the Gods (HoG) helps with clear, and will be used later as either CC (Fist) or objective control (Hand). Either way, you need it early on to jungle well.
Potion of Physical/Magical Might is the consumable that gives you additional damage of your type. Again, this helps your early clear and ganking prowess.
Certain gods can eschew this in favor for other starts if their sustain is high enough. For example, Thanatos can start with rank 1 Tabi in place of Bumba’s, thanks to his 1 and passive. This lets him get almost a full item ahead of the enemy jungle. Everyone can do the Bumba’s start, though, so stick to it until you’re comfortable.
Olympian Right side Mid Furies -> Red buff -> Blue buff
Your solo laner and mid will help you with Furies, after which mid may go back to his lane, or he can help with Red. Regardless, kill Furies, go to Red, and use your HoG on it, then kill it with the help of your solo. Try to get the last hit for the heal, and take the buff for yourself. Go to Blue, and if your solo has HoG, they’ll use it as you help finish off the buff monster, which they’ll take.
Invader Orange buff -> Blue buff
Your solo laner will help you with Orange, while your mid and duo will take the right side Furies. Use your HoG on Orange, and take the buff. Go to Blue, and your solo should use their HoG and then take that one with your help.
Next Step Now, you can pop your Potion, or hold onto it, it depends on whether you think you need the extra damage for fighting and clearing. Use your judgement, but if you’re not sure, just pop it right after Blue.
From here, it depends on the situation. In a “best case” or “high level” game, you want to go hang out in solo lane for approximately two waves. The enemy jungle should be there as well, so it’ll be a 2v2 lane for a short amount of time. Around the time the second wave dies, mid Furies should be coming up, so you want to leave and then contest them with the help of your mid and possibly solo. See below about why this is important.
If the enemy jungler is not there, or if your solo laner is being uncooperative, then you can just go farm. You’ll want to go clear the two small Harpy camps in the south, and then pop into a lane, even just to do some damage. At that point, mid camps should be coming back, so contest them.
Clearing In Smite, clearing the jungle is better than camping a lane pretty much at all times. You should only gank when there’s a high probability of getting a kill, or if you’re counterganking/saving a lane. If they’re farming away, you should be doing the same. With fast clearing and the occasional gank gold, you should keep up with lanes or even surpass them in gold.
Priority for camps is as follows: Mid Furies > Red/Orange > Blue > Small Furies
Mid camps have highest priority for several reasons. They give the same amount of gold as buff camps (well, 1 less), respawn more than twice as fast, and most importantly, are contested between each side. By killing them, not only are you getting the gold for yourself (and likely your mid), but you’re denying it from the enemy.
Blue camps are slightly less important because they’ll always go to your side laner, so they can often get it by themselves. Help if you’re around, but often they’ll grab it by themselves.
So basically you’re rotating between the various Fury camps and grabbing Red/Orange when they’re up, all the while looking for ganks/counterganks. Use your HoG on buff camps, but remember that you may need it to contest Mid Furies from the enemy.
Who can Jungle? Currently, it seems that most any god can jungle if put in the position, though of course some are bad and some are nearly made for it.
Any current assassin can jungle, and do well at it with their ability to come into a gank and provide massive damage for their laner. They also clear fairly well, most having burst to quickly kill large monsters or even AoE abilities. Currently some of the best junglers include Mercury, Thanatos, and Thor.
All Warriors can jungle with a certain degree of skill, from the very good (Guan Yu, Wukong) to the mediocre (Vamana). Generally you find Warriors in the solo lane, but they can also do well in a jungle setting where they can avoid fighting bad matchups against gods like Zeus and Chang’e, who are solo lane bullies.
Certain Guardians can jungle well. Ymir and Athena are the ones you’ll see most often, both having good clear prowess and high stats, which allows them to build magic damage and be decent threats and good gankers. Other Guardians are gimmicky but occasionally passable.
Of Mages, the only ones you see jungling with any frequency are Freya and Anubis. Nu Wa can jungle, as can He Bo, but less so than the other two. These gods have low CD and high damage AoE that can be used to clear quickly, and each bring enough hard CC to assist in ganks.
No Hunter should jungle. I mean, maybe they can, but just don’t.
Jungler notes, some of the more popular picks
Mercury is considered one of the best characters as well as junglers. Good clear speed, amazing gank prowess, high mobility. His 1 lets him farm well and also poke to contest camps nicely.
Arachne has strong ganks, and can use her babies as zone control for camps even when she’s not around. Her clear is slightly slower to make up for it.
Loki brings good ganks and decent clear. Stealth is a massive tool, since there really isn’t any revealing mechanics, and if he farms up he can instagib a Mage or Hunter out of the jungle.
Thanatos is the full package. His swing chain and his 3 give him good clear, he has massive sustain, and his ganks are bursty and can be surprising.
Fenrir’s damage is rather high, but his sustain is iffy even with his free lifesteal (since you max it last and rarely use your runes on it). His ult is basically Skarner ult with CC immunity, so godlike ganks.
Thor’s ganks are scary as hell and his clear is rather fast with a modicum of pen. Having a long range engage and a wall means that, even if you fall behind in items, you’re still a threat.
Tyr can thrive in the jungle. With technically 4 AoE moves, which includes sustain and free protections, he’s rarely low on health. He can go tank or more damage with similar results, and can brawl 1v1 with the enemy jungle.
Guan has quick clear, free protections, a heal, and a strong gank ult. His first few levels can be a bit slow if he doesn’t get help, but once he gets rolling, a 3 2 combo on a camp basically clears it and leaves him tanky.
Freya is a bit of a strange case. Squishy, no sustain, but high damage to clear and a low item requirement to do a crapton of teamfight damage. After a few levels she should tear through camps and then provide good damage/utility support in ganks.
Ymir is nice, but can’t get too far behind. He can’t exactly duel the enemy jungle, but can clear fast. He ganks really well with his CC (especially if you can get Blink), and a damage build on him makes his 2 and 4 pretty noticeable nukes.
Athena is honestly pretty cool. Her 3 clears jungle camps pretty fast (especially since you get an AoE auto after using it), and then is the best counter-ganker in the game with her ult. Like Shen jungle, but with a good clear and higher damage.
Other Like in League, people will beg for ganks and for you to win their lane for them. Honestly, most of the time it’s just best to ignore them. Like I said, farming is best unless there’s a high chance for a kill. If you’re in a lane and the enemy jungle gets both Mid Fury camps while you’re dawdling, you’re way behind.
Counterjungling is very iffy, and I’m not really an authority on it. If you’re playing someone who can 1v1 well, like Arachne, Mercury, Thor, or Tyr, feel free to ward up enemy buffs and jump them, but many junglers can’t invade, similar to League. I’d say stay away from it until you’re really comfortable at assessing power levels.
Since Assassins are prevalent junglers, I’d like to talk about Heartseeker. It’s one of the best items if you can keep it fully or nearly fully stacked. The MS helps your roaming as well. However, while you get similar gold to lanes, you don’t always get numerically as much creeps as lanes do. If you feel like you’re farming well and you’re not spending too much downtime roaming or babysitting, Heartseeker is a great investment. If you’re dying a lot, losing camps, etc, skip it.
Again, I’m not the best player, but I’ve been playing a lot of jungle recently and thought people would appreciate a quick breakdown.
Buff camps respawn every 4 minutes, and buffs expire in 2 minutes. So if you don't plan to clear both red and orange buffs, you should plan your jungle route to get one buff, and protect the other buff from invasion, so that you can get that buff 2 minutes after. With good rotation, you can never run out of buffs.
Fury camps respawn every 100 seconds (it's harder to get used to timing it). The mid furry camp is super important. They give more gold than a non-last-hit wavecreep ( 90g > 17x3+12x3). That's why you should always plan your jungle route to farm the mid fury camps as soon as they respawn.
Furies (Mid and Small) have a 100 second (1 min 40 second) respawn timer. Keeping track of mid furies seperates good from bad junglers.
All Buff camps have a 240 second (4 minute) respawn timer. Buffs last 2 minutes. Buff baubles will sit on the ground for 30 seconds, sometimes enough time to finish a camp, kill nearby Small Fury, and get it before it despawns.
Gold Fury and Fire Giant have a 300 second (5 minute) respawn timer. Gold Fury gives 300 Gold and 200 EXP global. Fire Giant gives 150 Gold and 200 EXP global.
Fire Giant buff lasts 240 seconds (4 minutes). You can time Fire Giant easily (even without the timer) by watching when it falls off and then waiting a minute.
Anyone mind giving me a quick list of good itenization for Nieth? And why thise item choices are good? Still getting use to item variety. Also how essential is phys pen?
Hunters all have the same itemization, aside from a couple gods (Xbal/AMC) liking Transcendence.
Start Death's Toll + Tabi1, then one of each potion. First item should be maxing out Heartseeker and starting to stack it as fast as possible. Then, finish maxing boots (ArPen over CDR always).
Your next item is either Qin's Sais (Sai is better than Blade) or Deathbringer depending on what you like/what you need. Deathbringer is better straight damage because of the crit, Sais is better for finishing because of the passive and also gives Lifesteal. Buy one, then the other.
Get Malice or Rage, I think Malice is better but that's because I'm not great at chaining autos and I feel that flat stats are better. Sell Death's Toll and get some sort of Pen item. You can do this before Malice/Rage if you need Pen faster, but use your judgement. Titan's Bane is best, but if they have 0 Armor (never happens) you can go Executioner.
You can get Devourer's Gloves over Heartseeker for a stacking item, but Heartseeker is more flat damage and cheaper. Devo Gloves used to be better, but then they have Qin's Lifesteal and buffed it, so Heartseeker/Qin's is better than Devo unless you're dying a lot and using your stacks.
Fatalis is a sometimes item. Hunters should get regular Fatalis over Hastened imo.
As for actives, get Beads or Aegis (whichever you require in lane for enemy lane or jungler), and then you can get the other or get Sprint. You don't particularly need any other Actives, maybe Combat Blink if you're someone without a dash like AMC.
So yeah, the "standard" Hunter build that I see is:
Death's Toll + Tabi1 -> Heartseeker -> ArPen Tabi (finish) -> Deathbringer/Qin's Sai -> (Sell Death's Toll) -> Rage/Titan's Bane
You don't have to stick to this, just what I see on streams and tourneys.
On December 28 2013 02:09 wei2coolman wrote: Anyone mind giving me a quick list of good itenization for Nieth? And why thise item choices are good? Still getting use to item variety. Also how essential is phys pen?
Neith is all about burst, her skills have way better scaling tha, so her build is quite basic. Warrior Tabi - Heartseeker - Jotunn Wrath - Titan Bane - Transcendence - Hydra. All of these items give you mad physical damage Tabi + Jotunn + Titan should push your Physical Penetration to 40 which is max. Jotunn + Hydra should let you have max CDR Jotunn + Transcendence give you unlimited mana and big physical damage from mana conversion If you have max build, there's very good chance you can one-shot the support with your ultimate alone. This is kind of like Legolas build.
Of course you can always go with the conventional carry build too. If you are able to stun/slow the enemy, Rage+Deathbringer can always let you autoattack somebody to death.
On December 28 2013 02:09 wei2coolman wrote: Anyone mind giving me a quick list of good itenization for Nieth? And why thise item choices are good? Still getting use to item variety. Also how essential is phys pen?
Neith is all about burst, her skills have way better scaling tha, so her build is quite basic. Warrior Tabi - Heartseeker - Jotunn Wrath - Titan Bane - Transcendence - Hydra. All of these items give you mad physical damage Tabi + Jotunn + Titan should push your Physical Penetration to 40 which is max. Jotunn + Hydra should let you have max CDR Jotunn + Transcendence give you unlimited mana and big physical damage from mana conversion If you have max build, there's very good chance you can one-shot the support with your ultimate alone. This is kind of like Legolas build.
Of course you can always go with the conventional carry build too. If you are able to stun/slow the enemy, Rage+Deathbringer can always let you autoattack somebody to death.
I don't think Neith can stack Transcendence fast enough for it to be worthwhile. Even AMC can't do it that fast since they nerfed Hive, Xbal is the only one that I think can stack it fast.
I mean, it's an interesting build for straight bursty stuff, making her kind of a caster Hunter like AMC. I'd run it in solo or mid, but your duo Hunter really should build more of a carry build imo.
On December 28 2013 03:16 Figgy wrote: Smite is just WoW Arena with 4 skills instead of 50.
It's very toned down compared to both games.
That's kind of why I like it. WoW got a bit bloated by Cata (when I stopped playing) and I never really liked the isometric control of LoL or DOTA.
Also, I'd say it's only toned down compared to LoL in the itemization, the skills are all harder to hit and more powerful than anything in League (CC wise, damage is pretty comparable).
As far as hunters go, are there good solo defensive item I should be aiming for if I'm being blown up by Assassins like Mercury too quickly? The actives are pretty good, but sometimes it's nice to have straight up defensive stats.
Also, is there a movespeed reduction cap like League?
On December 28 2013 02:09 wei2coolman wrote: Anyone mind giving me a quick list of good itenization for Nieth? And why thise item choices are good? Still getting use to item variety. Also how essential is phys pen?
Neith is all about burst, her skills have way better scaling tha, so her build is quite basic. Warrior Tabi - Heartseeker - Jotunn Wrath - Titan Bane - Transcendence - Hydra. All of these items give you mad physical damage Tabi + Jotunn + Titan should push your Physical Penetration to 40 which is max. Jotunn + Hydra should let you have max CDR Jotunn + Transcendence give you unlimited mana and big physical damage from mana conversion If you have max build, there's very good chance you can one-shot the support with your ultimate alone. This is kind of like Legolas build.
Of course you can always go with the conventional carry build too. If you are able to stun/slow the enemy, Rage+Deathbringer can always let you autoattack somebody to death.
I don't think Neith can stack Transcendence fast enough for it to be worthwhile. Even AMC can't do it that fast since they nerfed Hive, Xbal is the only one that I think can stack it fast.
I mean, it's an interesting build for straight bursty stuff, making her kind of a caster Hunter like AMC. I'd run it in solo or mid, but your duo Hunter really should build more of a carry build imo.
On December 28 2013 03:16 Figgy wrote: Smite is just WoW Arena with 4 skills instead of 50.
It's very toned down compared to both games.
That's kind of why I like it. WoW got a bit bloated by Cata (when I stopped playing) and I never really liked the isometric control of LoL or DOTA.
Also, I'd say it's only toned down compared to LoL in the itemization, the skills are all harder to hit and more powerful than anything in League (CC wise, damage is pretty comparable).
I think you can push Transcendence before Titan Bane. It's not really hard to stack Transcendence, especially on Neith. She's kind of have infinite mana when you are building Transcendence, and usually after Jotunn, her Q can one-shot the creepwave. Since you don't even lose stack when dying, it should only take at most 5 minutes to get full stack of Transcendence.
Yeah this is more of a burst damage type of build, hence Legolas build, but as I said though, you can always skip Titan and Hydra to get Rage and DeathBringer, which is actually what I usually do lol.
On December 28 2013 03:35 wei2coolman wrote: As far as hunters go, are there good solo defensive item I should be aiming for if I'm being blown up by Assassins like Mercury too quickly? The actives are pretty good, but sometimes it's nice to have straight up defensive stats.
Also, is there a movespeed reduction cap like League?
Hide of Leviathan is a good item. Ankh is also good.
On December 28 2013 03:35 wei2coolman wrote: As far as hunters go, are there good solo defensive item I should be aiming for if I'm being blown up by Assassins like Mercury too quickly? The actives are pretty good, but sometimes it's nice to have straight up defensive stats.
Also, is there a movespeed reduction cap like League?
If you want a single Defensive item, you can go Hide of the Leviathan/Urchin, or Magi's Cowl/Blessing. Both give all defensive stats and (except for Urchin) CC reduction. If you want something more focused for Assassins, getting Hide of the Nemian Lion is a choice.
That said, it's much better to just get good at surviving with moves and actives. Especially with Neith, who has a Slow, Root, and Stun on top of her Backflip, you shouldn't have issues keeping them at range once you use Beads.
Not sure about the MS cap, can't find any info on it. MAYBE THERE SHOULD BE A SITE THAT HAS THAT.
I haven't been playing long but I've gotten the feeling that Fatalis feels kinda like a crutch. I got it all the time when I first started playing cause no backpetal+attacking penalty is awesome, but stat-wise the item feels lacking.
Fatalis is an interesting item, as it fills a similar role to Zephyr in League. That is, AS/MS but no other "multiplicative stats" as Yango likes to harp on. It's amazing on characters that have built in PPower and need sticking power, Hastened Fatalis is one of the best items on Kali and Bakasura, while regular Fatalis makes Freya and Chronos (who are AS and MPower scaling) amazing (though generally not until after Demonic Grip).
On Hunters, I wouldn't get it over Sais or Rage/Malice as an AS item, but as a kiting/chasing item, it's basically unparalleled. I don't think I'd ever consider it core on them, but good as a personal preference or situational item.
On December 28 2013 05:06 Ryuu314 wrote: I haven't been playing long but I've gotten the feeling that Fatalis feels kinda like a crutch. I got it all the time when I first started playing cause no backpetal+attacking penalty is awesome, but stat-wise the item feels lacking.
Fatalis is retardedly good on chronos though
you wont ever chase him down or run away from him when he has that + his speed buff
I'll chime in on hunter builds since that's what I main.
Qin's Sais are only better than Qin's Blades if you're ahead. Sais do damage based on missing health, so if you're behind and people are starting to get tanky, you'll want the blades instead.
Don't get Fatalis on hunters. It's nice for mobility and shit, but it delays power a lot. Also, most hunters have fairly good mobility/escapes as it is, and if you get tier 3 Sprint early (which I like to), you'll get the mobility benefit of Fatalis anyway.
For ArPen items, there are a few good options. Johtun's, Focused Voidblade, and Titansbane are all good. I personally prefer the voidblade, but I haven't actually done the math on it.
Rage is great as long as you can chain autos, which, if you're playing hunters with any regularity, you can.
Maxing Heartseeker immediately is really important. Devourer's Glove is somewhat like Bloodthirster, and if you're going to bypass Qin's for whatever reason, it's a good pick up. But you have to be aware of the movespeed and comparatively stacking damage that you would have on Heartseeker and that the enemy hunter likely will have.
Having Deathbringer and Rage completed makes things fun.
I don't like Transcendence on anyone really (although I don't play Xbalanque). As Req said AMC's recent nerfs make it not very good on him anymore, although I never even used to build it on bees anyway.
Teleport nerf rather changes the dynamic of solo lane. Some mids will be effected, but overall not as hard. Sustain solo laners will be really hard to fight without the ability to match their healing.
But it's an indirect buff to my Chang'e so I'm good with it.
On January 09 2014 02:20 Requizen wrote: Teleport nerf rather changes the dynamic of solo lane. Some mids will be effected, but overall not as hard. Sustain solo laners will be really hard to fight without the ability to match their healing.
But it's an indirect buff to my Chang'e so I'm good with it.
I like Chang'e too too bad she's out of free rotation now. I want to buy Kali first before getting her.
On January 09 2014 01:31 canikizu wrote: Teleport got nerfed hard, I really like it although I feel some gods will fall out as the result of it.
My merc got nerfed too although I'm not sure how much impact it's gonna be, it's not like you see it coming you can avoid it anyway.
sure you can - once people get used to that, the .5s primer will allow a counter aegis
I feel like it will also take a bit for merc players to get used to the .5s delay where there previously was none
I'm not sure unless I try it. I think it can warn you about Merc incoming, but do very little to prevent it. It's very hard to time the aegis, since Merc can just cancel his ulti to bait.
On January 09 2014 02:20 Requizen wrote: Teleport nerf rather changes the dynamic of solo lane. Some mids will be effected, but overall not as hard. Sustain solo laners will be really hard to fight without the ability to match their healing.
But it's an indirect buff to my Chang'e so I'm good with it.
I like Chang'e too too bad she's out of free rotation now. I want to buy Kali first before getting her.
If you're planning on playing this game for any length of time, I highly suggest dropping $30 for all current and future gods - this deal goes away once beta ends.
On January 09 2014 01:31 canikizu wrote: Teleport got nerfed hard, I really like it although I feel some gods will fall out as the result of it.
My merc got nerfed too although I'm not sure how much impact it's gonna be, it's not like you see it coming you can avoid it anyway.
sure you can - once people get used to that, the .5s primer will allow a counter aegis
I feel like it will also take a bit for merc players to get used to the .5s delay where there previously was none
I'm not sure unless I try it. I think it can warn you about Merc incoming, but do very little to prevent it. It's very hard to time the aegis, since Merc can just cancel his ulti to bait.
False - the primer only shows up once Merc fires the ult (as far as I understand it). .5s is probably enough time to react with an aegis. I'm not sure the wind up delay on Poseidon ult, but it can't be much longer than .5s, and with a little experience it is very possible to aegis the kraken.
On January 09 2014 02:20 Requizen wrote: Teleport nerf rather changes the dynamic of solo lane. Some mids will be effected, but overall not as hard. Sustain solo laners will be really hard to fight without the ability to match their healing.
But it's an indirect buff to my Chang'e so I'm good with it.
I like Chang'e too too bad she's out of free rotation now. I want to buy Kali first before getting her.
If you're planning on playing this game for any length of time, I highly suggest dropping $30 for all current and future gods - this deal goes away once beta ends.
On January 09 2014 01:31 canikizu wrote: Teleport got nerfed hard, I really like it although I feel some gods will fall out as the result of it.
My merc got nerfed too although I'm not sure how much impact it's gonna be, it's not like you see it coming you can avoid it anyway.
sure you can - once people get used to that, the .5s primer will allow a counter aegis
I feel like it will also take a bit for merc players to get used to the .5s delay where there previously was none
I'm not sure unless I try it. I think it can warn you about Merc incoming, but do very little to prevent it. It's very hard to time the aegis, since Merc can just cancel his ulti to bait.
False - the primer only shows up once Merc fires the ult (as far as I understand it). .5s is probably enough time to react with an aegis. I'm not sure the wind up delay on Poseidon ult, but it can't be much longer than .5s, and with a little experience it is very possible to aegis the kraken.
I have to check out the new patch and see, because from what I saw yesterday's Bart's preview stream, it doesn't look that big of a deal, maybe it's clearer if I'm from the enemy's perspective.
and $30 for all gods, not including skins, right? I still use favor to buy skins?
On January 09 2014 02:20 Requizen wrote: Teleport nerf rather changes the dynamic of solo lane. Some mids will be effected, but overall not as hard. Sustain solo laners will be really hard to fight without the ability to match their healing.
But it's an indirect buff to my Chang'e so I'm good with it.
I like Chang'e too too bad she's out of free rotation now. I want to buy Kali first before getting her.
If you're planning on playing this game for any length of time, I highly suggest dropping $30 for all current and future gods - this deal goes away once beta ends.
On January 09 2014 02:20 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On January 09 2014 01:31 canikizu wrote: Teleport got nerfed hard, I really like it although I feel some gods will fall out as the result of it.
My merc got nerfed too although I'm not sure how much impact it's gonna be, it's not like you see it coming you can avoid it anyway.
sure you can - once people get used to that, the .5s primer will allow a counter aegis
I feel like it will also take a bit for merc players to get used to the .5s delay where there previously was none
I'm not sure unless I try it. I think it can warn you about Merc incoming, but do very little to prevent it. It's very hard to time the aegis, since Merc can just cancel his ulti to bait.
False - the primer only shows up once Merc fires the ult (as far as I understand it). .5s is probably enough time to react with an aegis. I'm not sure the wind up delay on Poseidon ult, but it can't be much longer than .5s, and with a little experience it is very possible to aegis the kraken.
I have to check out the new patch and see, because from what I saw yesterday's Bart's preview stream, it doesn't look that big of a deal, maybe it's clearer if I'm from the enemy's perspective.
and $30 for all gods, not including skins, right? I still use favor to buy skins?
correct
Favor is used for recolor skins (9500 favor) and gold/legendary skins (15000 favor for gold which turns to legendary once you reach god rank 10).
Gems are then used for the skins that actually change things and voice packs
Is there a replay system? I want to check a recent game I played cause I swear I just went up against an AMC who was blinking multiple times in quick succession.
I was playing Mercury and he was somehow able to outrun me without using his honey skill and he had meditation+blink as his actives. It looked like he kept rubber banding away except it was only him.
On January 11 2014 19:54 Ryuu314 wrote: Is there a replay system? I want to check a recent game I played cause I swear I just went up against an AMC who was blinking multiple times in quick succession.
I was playing Mercury and he was somehow able to outrun me without using his honey skill and he had meditation+blink as his actives. It looked like he kept rubber banding away except it was only him.
there is a replay system, although I'm not sure how it functions - I've never actually used it
So, I think I like the Devourer's Glove start on hunters now - it seems that a lot of other people had the same though process as I did. I noticed the pro hunters doing it this weekend in the tournaments. Although, the CLG.EU hunter got Transcendence on Cupid which I thought was...weird.
Starting to develop a new AMC build too. It stemmed from accidentally leveling my 1 out of order last night (normally I level it last). Maxing hives 2nd gave me really good attack speed early on. Since Qin's Blades/Sais took the hammer this past patch, I've decided to forgo them on him. Devourer's Gloves right into Deathbringer makes for some really scary early-mid game damage with the high attack speed buff from hives maxed 2nd.
I lose out on some AoE slow by maxing 3 last, but it doesn't matter if I kill them out right. Still makes me sad that he basically doesn't have a passive though =(
On January 14 2014 00:53 freelander wrote: Are there runes in this game?
No runes or masteries or anything like that.
There are god ranks. As you play games with a god, you gain worshippers based on game time/mode/if you won/score (I think). I'm not sure how many worshippers it takes to rank up - I think it's 50?
Once you hit god rank 1, you can then use that god in ranked, and you need at least 14 gods with rank 1 in order to play ranked (5 gods per team + 2 bans on each team).
A lot of the Smite community wishes the criteria for ranked was higher, and I don't necessarily disagree. But making it required to have played a god enough to get rank 1 in order to use that god in ranked is certainly better than league's system, although it does have its own flaws as well.
This is the VOD/Timestamp of the notes if you want to see everything in game, gameplay starts around 3:34.
Geb looks quite fun/strong. CC on every ability except the shield, which is CC immunity, and the passive should make him one of the tankiest late game gods.
Both Gold skins are pretty great. Hel Legendary is ffffffffffffffffuck yes.
The boots changes are... I dunno. I mean, it makes sense and is streamlined sure, but I hope they don't "dumb down" item choices too much.
Harpies will still be one of the most contested early game objectives. Too much gold per spawn to just ignore.
Nu Wa and Thor getting the post-cast reductions is nice. Makes the game really smooth, but in cases like Ao it was a massive buff and might need some adjusting
I really, really dislike the new minimap. Once you see it in game, you'll agree.
I don't think they're dumbing down choices. I think they're just stream lining and making adjustments to items where they see fit. They still have a couple months to fiddle with stuff before release, and I'm totally fine with them using the rest of the beta to mess around with things.
Harpies will, of course, still be hotly contested. But increasing the respawn time to 2 min should give junglers a bit more choice in ganking to get ahead as opposed to ganking and getting a bunch of kills, but falling behind the dude who only killed harpies
I haven't heard anything about new minimap - haven't seen any complaints on Reddit yet. I'll have to check it out tongiht
edit: how much do we want to bet that mana and health pot are swapped again?
That shield on Geb is so huge, giving your carry 1000++ extra hp endgame wins games in many situations. especially when something like Tyr/Odin is trying to go on them. Blink ults seemed super strong too. 1.8s stun that hits instantly sounds a bit OP, but we will see.
Oh, and his powerball is stupid in jungle chases, so hard to hit them in a way that wont end up with them getting away because you pushed them 200 meters in the wrong direction. :I
On January 16 2014 23:58 Gaslo wrote: That shield on Geb is so huge, giving your carry 1000++ extra hp endgame wins games in many situations. especially when something like Tyr/Odin is trying to go on them. Blink ults seemed super strong too. 1.8s stun that hits instantly sounds a bit OP, but we will see.
Oh, and his powerball is stupid in jungle chases, so hard to hit them in a way that wont end up with them getting away because you pushed them 200 meters in the wrong direction. :I
yeah I'm hearing mixed reviews on him
He's definitely got a lot of potential and will be scary in the right hands
meanwhile, I'll be playing bees for the rest of forever
His shield is bonkers, but the rest of his kit feels awkward. His roll, while it gives great mobility, is just so hard to use. It tends to save enemies more than anything plus the turn radius on it is huge so it's not exactly easy to curve behind them. I've been trying to use it in a more Eve-esque fashion where I attempt to flank them, but that's not easy either. His ult is strong, but the radius is comparatively tiny and when you add the cast time it's actually kinda hard to hit optimally w/out blink.
i agree that the giant rolling golden apple has a bad turning radius and is next to useless in engaging in head on fights. It does relatively little damage for sending them flying directly away from you usually to safety. It does feel awesome when you come in for a flank and land it but it feels like this only happens if they don't see you coming at all because if they do then they just take a step to the left and you are screwed. Better to cancel roll at that point then trying to force it (and look like an idiot rolling around like i did many times last night) and just ult now that you are right beside them. which is the best way to land the small radius ult without blink like you mentioned. but the blink ults are strong too. otherwise landing the slow before you hit max speed is pretty good if you cant hit them the right direction. kinda like a gap closer with soft cc.
i think ymir is stronger in the same role. same health and magic resist base stats but ymir is a little better on physical resist with a load of cc that is useful in a heads up situation like you usually find in the duo lane. geb makes up for worse physical resist with his passive which will let him tank more autos late game. geb can get around a little easier and escape easier with his rolling ball but i'm not sure how much that is worth. the shield is the wild card it can really save your carry so i must learn to master the shield. but imagine both ymir and geb ults on the same group of people :O i want to try that in arena.
I'm having a real problem not having useful 600 dollar shoes to buy at the start lol. I have no idea what to buy on anyone now.
Geb is better at roaming that Ymir, and roaming is very prevalent in the meta right now. I know Geb is banned in at least the next week of tournament play, but I expect to see some really strong Geb play once pros are able to use him.
The $300 boots are awkward, but I think it's ok. On hunter I've been starting Devo gloves + boots 1 + red pot + health pot. It seems to be working really well, but none of my lane opponents did the same, so I'm not sure yet. I'll have to play more games in ranked to see what works.
20 extra attack power for FIVE MINUETS is pretty strong but it is pretty expensive. thats like more than a deaths toll worth of attack power and adds like more than 50% to your level one auto attack base stats. but it sucks if you die so its kinda all in.
On January 18 2014 04:41 canikizu wrote: Can you use blink when boulder rolling with Geb?
no unfortunately not
oh but i didnt try combat blink durr so maybe!
still going to assume no
tonight we should try experimenting with jumping to mess with the roll knockback
yes we did see some inexplicable bouncing the wrong direction last night and like you said it would be really valuable to figure out how that works now while people are picking him every game.
I've found that if you use a repositioning skill after you get hit by Geb boulder, you can actually make it so you get pushed in a different direction.
wow they cut his shield down a lot. but it was too strong anyways, this might make it possible to consider burning through it instead of treating it like an invulnerability.
Those are all totally reasonable nerfs I think. Freya nerfs might be a bit hack'n'slash, but I'm not really complaining. Arachne nerf looks fine, especially if they're going to leave her ult as wide as it is.
I'm not sure about borked, but I did notice the recent games that I play are much harder than before, I got matched with Hirez people and some streamers despite still level 21. Frustrated as fuk when some 50-mastery dudes run around and rape your team in 10 min.
On January 26 2014 06:14 canikizu wrote: I'm not sure about borked, but I did notice the recent games that I play are much harder than before, I got matched with Hirez people and some streamers despite still level 21. Frustrated as fuk when some 50-mastery dudes run around and rape your team in 10 min.
No, definitely borked. I'm still bronze cuz that's where you start in ranked and I haven't put the time in to climb out yet. Lassiz is a pro on Dignitas lol
My league games have been pretty tryhard lately. Got bumped to silver at end of season - have gone like 5-1 so far. I wish there was a way to see what hidden MMR is/approximated and how that compares to the rest of the community.
have no clue how to tell - although I'm almost certain most of the people I'm matched with are golds. Fairly certain I've had a couple platinums (one at least - Lassiz).
Lots of cast/recovery time changes, should make of lot of gods feel more "snappy". HoG nerf will be pretty interesting, may see some junglers fall in/out of favor, and solo lane might see some shifts.
New Athena skin looks great, and Nemesis looks like a lot of fun. Physical power, Renekton 2 part Dash, Galio's shield (sort of), AoE nuke, and Trundle's Ult (sort of).
They seem to only be doing one or two actual "balance" changes per patch right now, which is fine on my part. I feel like most gods are pretty balanced, yes even without a passive AMC feels like he can compete with most ADCs.
On February 07 2014 01:05 Requizen wrote: They seem to only be doing one or two actual "balance" changes per patch right now, which is fine on my part. I feel like most gods are pretty balanced, yes even without a passive AMC feels like he can compete with most ADCs.
Are you just putting in the LoL term or are they actually called ADCs?
I feel like I know the answer to this so, follow-up, what does Smite call that role?
Tells you something about how much fun i am having that i am on my first big big losing streak (3-17 on my last 20 games, played 3 games today: 17/6 Anhur, 10/1 Neith and 7/5/25 Ymir, lost all 3) and its still super fun for me. I cant wait until i hit 30 and can start farming ranked games, thinking about focusing on supports and mages, but we will see...
On February 07 2014 01:07 Requizen wrote: Well the "class" is Hunter, but most people say ADC in god select.
^
they function the same as LoL ADCs anyway
Most hunters have a very good escape though, which makes it a lot nicer - but you also have to aim every single auto attack
edit: is the role called ADC in dota?
No, I don't believe so. There's the hard carry role or whatever, but since there's no "AD" (I mean, it's not CALLED that iirc) ADC doesn't exist.
Edit: A lot of the roles are based on farm position if they aren't supports or junglers. "First postion -> Third postion" OR "Safe lane / Mid lane / Off lane."
On February 07 2014 01:15 ComaDose wrote: sometimes when i say adc people tell me to go back to LoL tho and that makes me sad.
but then you show them your blue hair and they're like "woah, ok dude, you can stay"
edit: I call Sentry Wards "pink wards" fucking constantly. No one has ever made mention of it, but it's something I wonder if Smite players understand.
On February 07 2014 01:15 ComaDose wrote: sometimes when i say adc people tell me to go back to LoL tho and that makes me sad.
but then you show them your blue hair and they're like "woah, ok dude, you can stay"
edit: I call Sentry Wards "pink wards" fucking constantly. No one has ever made mention of it, but it's something I wonder if Smite players understand.
to be fair, although the old sentry ward is purple, it looks pink to a lot of people.
The weirdest part of going back to LoL after Smite for me is that champions aren't expected to be able to shove a wave super hard as soon as it shows up. Sitting around last hitting minions until the next wave shows up is really really strange to me coming from playing Ao and Anubis.
On February 07 2014 07:13 Requizen wrote: The weirdest part of going back to LoL after Smite for me is that champions aren't expected to be able to shove a wave super hard as soon as it shows up. Sitting around last hitting minions until the next wave shows up is really really strange to me coming from playing Ao and Anubis.
that was the biggest thing I had to adjust to (after the obvious stuff like skill shotting everything). It was just insane how easily some gods shove lanes. first game mid was against a poseidon as a nu wa. man i was so sad. especially since last hitting under tower gives no gold.
On February 07 2014 07:13 Requizen wrote: The weirdest part of going back to LoL after Smite for me is that champions aren't expected to be able to shove a wave super hard as soon as it shows up. Sitting around last hitting minions until the next wave shows up is really really strange to me coming from playing Ao and Anubis.
that was the biggest thing I had to adjust to (after the obvious stuff like skill shotting everything). It was just insane how easily some gods shove lanes. first game mid was against a poseidon as a nu wa. man i was so sad. especially since last hitting under tower gives no gold.
I cant watch LOL anymore without thinking "What is Aphromoo doing, why isnt he blocking all the autoattacks!!"
On February 07 2014 07:13 Requizen wrote: The weirdest part of going back to LoL after Smite for me is that champions aren't expected to be able to shove a wave super hard as soon as it shows up. Sitting around last hitting minions until the next wave shows up is really really strange to me coming from playing Ao and Anubis.
that was the biggest thing I had to adjust to (after the obvious stuff like skill shotting everything). It was just insane how easily some gods shove lanes. first game mid was against a poseidon as a nu wa. man i was so sad. especially since last hitting under tower gives no gold.
I cant watch LOL anymore without thinking "What is Aphromoo doing, why isnt he blocking all the autoattacks!!"
that's like the best thing about smite supports. You have idiot adc? Np you can literally tank everything for him while they be their idiot self x] bonus points if you're geb.
On February 07 2014 07:13 Requizen wrote: The weirdest part of going back to LoL after Smite for me is that champions aren't expected to be able to shove a wave super hard as soon as it shows up. Sitting around last hitting minions until the next wave shows up is really really strange to me coming from playing Ao and Anubis.
that was the biggest thing I had to adjust to (after the obvious stuff like skill shotting everything). It was just insane how easily some gods shove lanes. first game mid was against a poseidon as a nu wa. man i was so sad. especially since last hitting under tower gives no gold.
I cant watch LOL anymore without thinking "What is Aphromoo doing, why isnt he blocking all the autoattacks!!"
that's like the best thing about smite supports. You have idiot adc? Np you can literally tank everything for him while they be their idiot self x] bonus points if you're geb.
No, the best part about supports in Smite is that they actually have a non-negligible amount of damage. This means they're not only a CC and damage threat, but you can clear waves so easily if your AD is a moron
If you're looking to learn some stuff, Drybear is a fantastic watch. His Youtube channel basically has 3 series: silly videos (which are actually entertaining), League videos where he talks about his play/builds/matchups, and these Player Spotlight videos where he discusses pro players and how they play/build their gods. Here's his spotlight on COG player BaRRaCCuDDa and his AMC:
On February 07 2014 07:13 Requizen wrote: The weirdest part of going back to LoL after Smite for me is that champions aren't expected to be able to shove a wave super hard as soon as it shows up. Sitting around last hitting minions until the next wave shows up is really really strange to me coming from playing Ao and Anubis.
that was the biggest thing I had to adjust to (after the obvious stuff like skill shotting everything). It was just insane how easily some gods shove lanes. first game mid was against a poseidon as a nu wa. man i was so sad. especially since last hitting under tower gives no gold.
I cant watch LOL anymore without thinking "What is Aphromoo doing, why isnt he blocking all the autoattacks!!"
that's like the best thing about smite supports. You have idiot adc? Np you can literally tank everything for him while they be their idiot self x] bonus points if you're geb.
No, the best part about supports in Smite is that they actually have a non-negligible amount of damage. This means they're not only a CC and damage threat, but you can clear waves so easily if your AD is a moron
Hmm...I've been mostly playing Annie/Leona in League for support so I haven't really had to play no damage supports as of late. I do enjoy playing Sobek in Smite and just going ham - doing tons of damage and taking none. So op.
On February 08 2014 06:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: With that kit, he would be on the OP side only because of his 2. Everything else actually seems really awesome.
I really hope HiRez makes Jesus a playable god T_T
I think it'd be cool, but I doubt HiRez will make a Jesus character. The shitstorm would be so big...
In unrelated news, how is everyone finding Nemesis? I find that she has some mana issues early but in a solo lane she's so strong. Post level 5 you do so much damage and outtrade everyone who can't insta-clear waves.
On February 07 2014 07:13 Requizen wrote: The weirdest part of going back to LoL after Smite for me is that champions aren't expected to be able to shove a wave super hard as soon as it shows up. Sitting around last hitting minions until the next wave shows up is really really strange to me coming from playing Ao and Anubis.
that was the biggest thing I had to adjust to (after the obvious stuff like skill shotting everything). It was just insane how easily some gods shove lanes. first game mid was against a poseidon as a nu wa. man i was so sad. especially since last hitting under tower gives no gold.
I cant watch LOL anymore without thinking "What is Aphromoo doing, why isnt he blocking all the autoattacks!!"
that's like the best thing about smite supports. You have idiot adc? Np you can literally tank everything for him while they be their idiot self x] bonus points if you're geb.
No, the best part about supports in Smite is that they actually have a non-negligible amount of damage. This means they're not only a CC and damage threat, but you can clear waves so easily if your AD is a moron
Hmm...I've been mostly playing Annie/Leona in League for support so I haven't really had to play no damage supports as of late. I do enjoy playing Sobek in Smite and just going ham - doing tons of damage and taking none. So op.
Well, keep in mind that I have played next to 0 league since end of S3 =P
On February 08 2014 06:14 jcarlsoniv wrote: With that kit, he would be on the OP side only because of his 2. Everything else actually seems really awesome.
I really hope HiRez makes Jesus a playable god T_T
I think it'd be cool, but I doubt HiRez will make a Jesus character. The shitstorm would be so big...
In unrelated news, how is everyone finding Nemesis? I find that she has some mana issues early but in a solo lane she's so strong. Post level 5 you do so much damage and outtrade everyone who can't insta-clear waves.
Nemesis ult just kinda feels unfair at times. It's a huge nuke that you can't dodge and ensures that she wins all trades for the next 10 seconds. Then you add in her 3 and it's just hilarious.
Semi-related, I love going against Ao as Nemesis. Your 3 destroys Ao.
Any idea who Halfdevil is? He is in C9, and seems to be playing some conquests with them, but not on the official roster. I am just wondering why i've had him twice now in my level 29 games, lol.
edit: Ok, just went to lane, was against Smek + that Halfdevil. :D
On February 10 2014 18:05 Gaslo wrote: Any idea who Halfdevil is? He is in C9, and seems to be playing some conquests with them, but not on the official roster. I am just wondering why i've had him twice now in my level 29 games, lol.
edit: Ok, just went to lane, was against Smek + that Halfdevil. :D
haven't heard of either of them haha
I think my hidden elo is starting to get fairly high (mid gold-low plat level). I had Snoopy on my team last night, and he plays an absolutely ridiculous jungle Ymir.
On February 10 2014 18:05 Gaslo wrote: Any idea who Halfdevil is? He is in C9, and seems to be playing some conquests with them, but not on the official roster. I am just wondering why i've had him twice now in my level 29 games, lol.
edit: Ok, just went to lane, was against Smek + that Halfdevil. :D
haven't heard of either of them haha
I think my hidden elo is starting to get fairly high (mid gold-low plat level). I had Snoopy on my team last night, and he plays an absolutely ridiculous jungle Ymir.
Smek is the hunter for Cloud 9, Halfdevil has been playing with them in customs, but he is not in the official roster. Still pretty bonkers, first you watch him play in the 100k tournament qualifiers, next day he is laning against you.
He was seeing a bit of pro play. He's not the best Hunter (I think that title goes to Apollo/Anhur/Neith right now), but his waveclear is pretty overbearing once Honey gets ranked up a bit. I think they want Swarm to be his push and they're nerfing it to compensate.
Things I want to note on:
Geb nerfs are probably fair, he was by and far the best support pick.
Ne Zha's Sash buff is going to be pretty big. It was pretty hard to hit max range stuns before, should be much easier now.
I'm still not sure how I feel about the item combination things. I don't think it's necessary, but obviously it's not harmful. I just don't like the format that much.
The new Eye of Retaliation seems interesting. Good bruiser item.
Poly nerf was really necessary, item's bonkers.
The HoG changes are... interesting. On one hand, it'll make pushing in solo lane much harder, which it needs to a bit. On the other, it's kind of an indirect buff to solo lane Mages since they didn't really need HoG to push and Warriors needed to buy it to keep up with them. Time will tell on this one, but we might see Hel/Chang'e/Vulcan get a bit more favor there.
I don't like the new Agni look. The update wasn't really necessary imo.
If they want Swarm to be his push, then they need to buff either swarm or his passive. They're completely neutered him. Honey does the same damage late that it used to, but they've made it nigh impossible for him to do anything early game.
It's possible I'm overreacting, but slaughtering him more like this with no compensation is pretty insane.
As for item combinations, it makes sense. Previously, you can get heartseeker + asi at lvl 1. Now, you can't get lifesteal easily early without taking death's toll. Makes total sense, early build hunters were pretty simple to do well with.
Eh, he'll still have better early push than Cupid or XBal. He feels like he's supposed to be a later game Hunter anyway, which would be kinda rough if he was also super strong early game. Same reason they nerfed Chronos' early game prowess.
-Too many item changes to note. It all seems fine though, might see more Chronos' Pendants. -Not sure how I feel about the Jungle Timer change. I'm sure people will compain about it being easier than before, but honestly it seems fine to me. -Agni nerf is super fine with me. -Geb nerf is warranted but not nearly enough. Issue is his CC, not just the shield (though it's a start). -Hades nerfs are interesting. He's already not bad in the hands of a good player, but this will help him overall. -Ne Zha buff is interesting. A nice boost to his burst damage, nothing that'll make him too strong though. Nice overall. -POS BUFF IS AWESOME. Being able to guarantee a full Tide meter is huuuuuuge.
Scylla looks awesome, I already have a Hun Batz skin but I think it looks pretty good.
The fact that he can no longer slam out all 3 charges of his ult in super rapid succession:
Switched this ability to no longer use Continuous Fire. In Quick Cast mode, left clicks occurring a short time after a meteor is cast will no longer fire another one, instead always firing basic attacks. In standard targeting mode, clicking and holding the mouse will no longer fire multiple meteors uninterrupted if they are available.
While relatively minor, I think reducing his instant-burst is good in the long run. Agni has a lot going for him: high mobility, AoE hard CC, and high damage. The thing about his damage pre-patch is that it's basically both sustained and burst, since he could choose to space them out or do everything at once. While this would be fine in a vacuum, the ease at which he can land a stun off of his ult basically meant that he could engage on his lane opponent and chunk them to nearly dead from not only a relatively large distance, but also very quickly.
Scylla is awesome, lots of fun, voice pack is great.
Not sure how I feel about the item store. I get what they're going for, and I'm sure it'll be fine once I'm used to it, but I thought the old system was fine as well.
Ullr looks very cool, the first true kit-swapping champion imo. Hel and Tyr's kits remain the same just with damage/debuff vs defenses/healing in each respective stance. A true change, with a mobile melee bruiser as the Axe stance and a high damage ranged carry in the Bow stance, Ullr looks incredibly fun and probably a very strong pick in a few roles. Plus, he's the god of skiing!
I really like that they made Nightmare Hades the new default skin. It's much nicer and cleaner overall. Probably also had to do with China hating skeletons.
The objective health bar that appears on the HUD for the Fire Giant and the Gold Fury now turns Yellow when the objective reaches 25% health.
On one hand, this is nice. On the other, I don't think it was necessary. Still, that seems to be the new norm for Smite
Otherwise, no real buffs/nerfs, which makes sense given the timing.
New Aphro model is quite nice, a lot cleaner. Golden Nemesis is pretty gud, she's just a good model overall.
He looks super fun and like a total badass. having a range and a melee form with a leap and a sprint seems op as shit. also dark lord monkey looks baller and I wonder what the animal forms look like.
On March 20 2014 03:05 ComaDose wrote: He looks super fun and like a total badass. having a range and a melee form with a leap and a sprint seems op as shit. also dark lord monkey looks baller and I wonder what the animal forms look like.
from what I can tell from screencaps, the animal forms are just Wukong doing different things. Bird is Wukong hovering, Bull is him spinning his staff in front of him, dunno what Tiger is.
Personally that's the only bit I don't like about the skin. It's not as clear what Wukong transformed into, at least not as obvious as the other skins.
in unrelated news, it's taking forever to hit level 30. Only level 28 atm T_T
On March 20 2014 03:05 ComaDose wrote: He looks super fun and like a total badass. having a range and a melee form with a leap and a sprint seems op as shit. also dark lord monkey looks baller and I wonder what the animal forms look like.
from what I can tell from screencaps, the animal forms are just Wukong doing different things. Bird is Wukong hovering, Bull is him spinning his staff in front of him, dunno what Tiger is.
Personally that's the only bit I don't like about the skin. It's not as clear what Wukong transformed into, at least not as obvious as the other skins.
in unrelated news, it's taking forever to hit level 30. Only level 28 atm T_T
yeah that doesn't sound as cool but explains why i couldn't find pictures of it. I am lvl 29 T_T
Retweet this for free gems! Already 200 per beta player, we can get more if more people retweet. A free voicepack is nice, 5 free voicepacks are better.
On March 25 2014 09:10 Duvon wrote: Wow 1 mil starting gold is boring.
Soniv thinks so too. I think it's fun if you play champs that are dumb at full build (like Chronos, Nu Wa, any Hunter, Baka, etc), because their early games are usually the most boring part of the game for me. If you just play like Pos or Agni or something it's pretty dull I guess.
On March 25 2014 09:10 Duvon wrote: Wow 1 mil starting gold is boring.
Soniv thinks so too. I think it's fun if you play champs that are dumb at full build (like Chronos, Nu Wa, any Hunter, Baka, etc), because their early games are usually the most boring part of the game for me. If you just play like Pos or Agni or something it's pretty dull I guess.
see, I enjoy progression of the game, even as someone who plays hunters a lot - starting at max build is stupid because it makes playing those end game build gods brokenly unfun
400 gems is the price for any normal gem-only skin. Any skin that has a voice change (which are also the "super high quality" skins) is 600. Keep in mind that you already need the god voice pack to get the voice change on those skins, though.
The Recolor skins can also be bought with 200 gems, and the Golden skins can be bought with 400 gems. However, not advised since you can buy them with Favor.
-Sprint nerf is warranted. Still a good choice, but not going to be instantly bought on everyone. -Don't think the Ward sight nerf was necessary, but also not that big of a change I think. -The Kali buff is pretty nifty. I think she could use a bit more to become top tier, but this is a really nice QoL buff. -Scylla buffs are... honestly idk I haven't played her at all and she isn't highly picked in my games. They seem like nice buffs but I don't know if they were necessary. -I like this iteration of Zhong changes more than the other one. Being able to stun out his ult will be nice, but it did need a nerf from the pre-change version.
Might spend a bunch of Gems to get the Tyr VP/skin and maybe Baka VP/Feaster Bunny.
Can someone tell me why Odin was so highly valued in the Smite tourney? In my limited experience thus far, Odin rarely sees any play in pubs and his kit seems solid, but doesn't look as OP as the numbers suggest. The rest of the pick/bans more or less match up with what I've experienced thus far and my personal take on gods, but Odin being so highly valued is weird to me.
Odin as a jungle/support is highly valued for his mobility, comboing power, and strength with few items. Because is 2 and 3 both give him free passive stats, he's one of the strongest supports, able to stand in a fight even at an item deficit. His ult (like Jarvan's or the like) is the perfect setup for AoE ults like Poseidon, Ao, 3 shots from Agni, or Zeus especially. Combining that with his point and click jump and AoE slow makes him a strong pick in nearly any circumstance. He's a great all-arounder and team multiplier.
Building him depends on what you want to do, what the enemy team is like, who you're laning against, etc. Largely, though, you build him with Qin's Sais and some defensive items, perhaps grabbing some pen if you want to do more damage later. As a support, you should get HoG3 and Leviathan asap, and as a jungler you can even grab Heartseeker early if you get ahead. In the solo lane (which he can do as well, but doesn't as much in the meta), you grab a defensive item based on your lane opponent and then go from there.
Thanks to his jump/slow/ult, you don't necessarily need to rush for boots on him either. As for actives, HoG is pretty much a must in every lane (jungle/support is normal for those roles, solo for pushing and laning power), the secondary can be Blink for more ganking prowess, or Sprint or Curse for sticking to targets.
Skill order can vary, but the most common one is 3 - 1 - 3 - 2 - 4 into 4 > 3 > 1 > 2. However, support Odin can max 2 over 1 for the free damage and tower killing potential.
Also, keep in mind that Odin's ult gives any allies in it a metric assload of free defenses. So you can design a team around jumping on small groups of enemies and blowing them up without worrying too much about your allies falling if they're inside the fence with you.
Recently (last couple months), there has been a shift in the meta where supports roam around to mid camps and help fights there. This is largely what has spawned the warrior support meta, and Odin is incredibly well suited for it.
Played a quick game during lunch. The ward vision range is really small now.
I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. While vision control should be a proponent of the game, the smaller size really puts an incentive on proper placement and other people warding. You can still ward all entrances to FG/GF with 2-3 wards like previously, so I think it's fine.
On April 03 2014 02:59 Ryuu314 wrote: Can someone tell me why Odin was so highly valued in the Smite tourney? In my limited experience thus far, Odin rarely sees any play in pubs and his kit seems solid, but doesn't look as OP as the numbers suggest. The rest of the pick/bans more or less match up with what I've experienced thus far and my personal take on gods, but Odin being so highly valued is weird to me.
that all makes sense. I think the issue was that I was seeing Odin played mostly as the solo where he has a hard time clearing effectively without running into huge mana issues even with blue.
On April 03 2014 08:38 Ryuu314 wrote: that all makes sense. I think the issue was that I was seeing Odin played mostly as the solo where he has a hard time clearing effectively without running into huge mana issues even with blue.
Yeah, solo lane meta has changed a LOT recently, and it's not surprising that people aren't necessarily keeping up (I personally hate solo just cuz idk how to do it anymore).
There were huge HoG nerfs, and most solos now tend to be mages and/or hard pushers. Also, teleport nerf ~2 months ago means that warriors without good sustain can't just clear 2 waves, blue pill home, TP back and resume.
Yeah, you need pretty high sustain or insta-clearing to solo lane nowadays. People like Guan, Odin, and Herc have good sustain and decent clear, but not enough of either to stand up to things like Vamana, Tyr, Ra, or Hel.
That said, solo queue is solo queue. You can play nearly anything in solo lane and do well if you know the character and are willing to play at a disadvantage if necessary. I've had a lot of success playing Nu Wa solo despite her being "bad", just because I know her matchups pretty well.
Yeah, Vamana is a tough cookie to crack. His early game damage is very high, and if you don't control him, he gets super tanky. Fairly certain you need ally intervention to get ahead (in equal skill matchup)
I also feed somewhat validated by Chaac rampaging through the Smite launch tourney.
Every time I see him in pubs he just completely wrecks face yet whenever I visit Reddit the complaints/discussions are never about him. Chaac's probably my most hated god in the game atm. He can build near pure damage, hit like a fucking truck, and still have like 2 health bars with his stupid heal.
Chaac's pretty dumb for sure. His weakness lies in his levels 1~3, so during the time where the jungles are in the long lane, you can push him around a bit. He needs to auto to use his passive, so mages can zone him off and force him to burn mana. It's not easy, and really only someone like Ra or Chang'e can do it consistently, but he's not unbeatable.
I think the main thing is that, while he's not difficult to play, to straight up carry isn't faceroll. Since his teleport is tied to two of his nukes, it requires a bit of planning when it comes to positioning his 1. His CDs are also pretty long until you finish Jotunns.
I think a good Chaac player is one of the scariest things in the game, and his late game is as insane or worse than Nemesis or Tyr. However, I don't think he's in an OP position at the moment.
The player bases aren't separate, but they have servers in EU or NA, so while you can play cross server, someone might be lagging. Not uncommon, as sometimes I'll queue up solo and still be on an EU server for no reason haha.
You can add me on but idk when I'll be on next: Requizen
Bastet has been very strong since her mini-remake. Her abilities are all WAY easier to hit now and come out faster, so her burst is higher and more reliable. Not to mention her attack progression is amazing now. I've seen her picked or banned in pretty much every League game I've played, it's a big turnaround.
It looks like Nemesis 3 will be getting big nerfs or even completely changed in the future. Can't say I'm happy with that since her 3 is really unique. It is a bit powerful at the moment - maybe just removing either the damage reflect or the heal (not both).
New god looks neat, a decent way to balance revive passives imo.
Qin's Sais nerf was needed, dunno who'll build it now.
Book of Thoth buff might see me starting with it on Ao more often
Bastet nerfs mostly justified, she was super stronk
Chaac ult nerf super justified, no reason he needed an invuln (he's still really good, 50% DR is worse than 100% but still awesome)
Hun Batz really did not need that buff. It's nothing overly strong, but having a larger window to teleport is a pretty powerful change
Don't think Merc needed a buff but ok
Nemisis nerfs might not be enough, but it's a start.
Odin nerf is pretty noticeable. But, he was top pick/ban status for jungle and support, so it's understandable
Nifty Thor buffs, won't change too much though.
Tyr could probably use some more nerfs on top of this one. His heal wasn't the only strong portion of his kit, his offensive 1/2 -> defensive 1/2 combo being able to instakill a character while building tanky is more of the issue. Still, a nerf's a nerf.
Vamana nerfs are pretty understandable. I don't think he was too overwhelming (counterable, but annoying), this should bring his sustain down to levels that people can keep up with.
Random Zhong buff? Dunno haven't seen him lately lol
Nemesis is still top pick/ban. Her nerfs barely hurt her at all. Sure, the CD/Duration change is noticeable, but her burst and sustain damage is still through the roof, and her shield needs some tweaking before I stop banning her.
Tyr change is basically nothing. His heal was never the thing making him imbalanced. Ok maybe he's a bit easier to bully in lane, and he's not as safe in the jungle, but he's still going to be high tier by any definition of the word. Knockup is by and far the best form of CC, since you can't cleanse it once it's in motion, and his is on a short CD that also displaces you and does a bunch of damage. Maybe the 2 shouldn't increase the knockup time, just do the extra damage, but still it would be a very strong ability.
Odin was still pick/ban when I played, but I think that'll change soon. Yes, his damage is still high. Yes, his ult is still crazy good. But he can no longer lock people up as well with his slow and he's not nearly as baseline tanky as before, even if he has more stats than any other warrior. I still imagine him as high-tier, but not as bad as before.
Haven't seen Vamana or Chaac since patch. From the notes, I imagine Chaac is still fine but less stupid, and Vamana might be less annoying as fuck to deal with in lane.
I halfway hope they slightly nerf the gold from mid harpies. I think it would help to bring guardians back into use. Also, it makes it really hard for a team that's behind to do anything to catch up.
Seems like a little distribution of that gold into small harpies would help? Idk, I don't pretend to be good at game design
If I were to stream some Smite, how interested would people be in watching?
I know there aren't a lot of people who frequent this thread, but I figure that it's worth asking here. I used to enjoy streaming league and liked being able to talk with people who were watching. I also play better when I'm forced to say my thoughts outloud (and I rage less when I know people are watching =P)
I'll probably stream at some point anyway, so I guess this is more of a "heads up" post.
New ban system is cool too, looking forward to seeing how it works out. I bet if it works well for pros and enough people want it, they'll implement it to ranked too
Nemesis is still pretty strong. The shield nerf was good, but it's still really powerful against certain opponents that use DoTs and she still has a stupid amount of damage and mobility with few drawbacks. She doesn't feel as "pick to win" anymore, but she's still top pick/ban.
I imagine it wasn't as bad for the people who played going through the beta. There were enough new people then that smurfs weren't too much of an issue (or, at least, I didn't notice). Smurfing has probably increased after release as people want to get their friends into the game, so they smurf with them.
You kinda just deal with it by continuing to play =P
The biggest problem I have with low level smite games is the sheer number of leavers I run into.
It seems that Smite has a much more lenient ban/punishment system than Dota 2 and League, leading to a lot more leavers/afkers. Of course, it could also simply be that I'm better at Dota 2 and League; higher mmr tends to correlate to less leavers/afkers/trolls.
Smite's ban system isn't really super fleshed out. League's wasn't either at this point in its life, and Dota's has always been incredibly harsh (not that that's a bad thing)
-Osiris has Morgana's ult on his 3. Hooooooooly shit -Basically a straight up copy of LoL's ranked system lol. -Siege looks super fun. -Rerolls means I might play more Assault
-Mid fury nerfs loooooooooool -Ullr nerfs.... not sure if it'll be enough. Stun is still really strong for what it is, depending on how easy it is to dodge now. -Zeus nerfs pretty minor, still will be strong. Which is ok.
I could do a small write up, but I don't do it that often and am still learning it myself. Also, things got shaken up quite a bit now that mid harpies are on a 3 min timer instead of a 2 min timer
Jungling is a bit different from League, especially in the early game. In a serious match, you’re going to spend some time with your solo laner. To this end, the starting route differs depending on whether you’re Olympian or Invader side. Either way, your starting items will likely be the same.
Starting Items Most junglers start with the same 3 items each game.
Bumba’s Mask is the jungle item, giving you passive mp5 when you’re in the jungle, as well as giving you a significant heal when you kill a jungle monster. Additionally, gold isn’t split when you have allies nearby, so you get more gold when you help people with camps.
Rank 1 Hand of the Gods (HoG) helps with clear, and will be used later as either CC (Fist) or objective control (Hand). Either way, you need it early on to jungle well.
Potion of Physical/Magical Might is the consumable that gives you additional damage of your type. Again, this helps your early clear and ganking prowess.
Certain gods can eschew this in favor for other starts if their sustain is high enough. For example, Thanatos can start with rank 1 Tabi in place of Bumba’s, thanks to his 1 and passive. This lets him get almost a full item ahead of the enemy jungle.
Other gods with good autoattacks and built in sustain can start with Death's Toll, though they may have to end up buying Mana pots and backing a bit more often.
Everyone can do the Bumba’s start, though, so my recommendation is to stick to it until you’re comfortable.
Olympian Red buff -> Blue buff
Your solo laner and mid will do mid furies, so do Red by yourself. Hand Red camp, kill the buff monster, and then go to Blue with your solo. Be careful, as Invader side has a generally quicker Orange -> Blue clear and may come to contest your Blue Buff. Much easier if your solo laner took HoG. If they come to contest and you're not sure you can finish it before the fight, reset it or leash it to them.
Invader Orange buff -> Blue buff
Your solo laner will help you with Orange, while your mid and duo will take the right side Furies. Use your HoG on Orange, and take the buff. Go to Blue, and your solo should use their HoG (if they bought it) and then take that one with your help. As above, you should be done quicker than Olympian side, so feel free to go over and poke at them, or clear the first wave quickly and push into their tower.
Next Step Now, you can pop your Potion, or hold onto it, it depends on whether you think you need the extra damage for fighting and clearing. Use your judgement, but if you’re not sure, just pop it right after Blue.
From here, it depends on the situation. You can hang out with your solo laner until mid camps come back (much longer now that it's 3 minutes up from 2), or you can chill for a wave or two then go start clearing the jungle.
Generally what you decide to do will depend on your 2v2 situation. If the two of you have high push (say, solo Ra and jungling Tyr), you can shove and deny them. If you have good early game CC (say, solo Ra and jungle Tyr but seriously they're both bullshit), you can try to fight. If, however, your solo laner has good clear and is safe, you can just peace out and go clear the jungle.
If you're still new or uncomfortable in the role, the best rule of thumb is to stick to the solo lane until either Mid camps come back up or the enemy jungler leaves, whichever comes first. You two should be approximately mirrored in exp and camp clears, so keeping that even is a good play.
Clearing In Smite, clearing the jungle is better than camping a lane pretty much at all times. You should only gank when there’s a high probability of getting a kill, or if you’re counterganking/saving a lane. If they’re farming away, you should be doing the same. With fast clearing and the occasional gank gold, you should keep up with lanes or even surpass them in gold.
Priority for camps is as follows: Mid Furies > Red/Orange > Blue > Small Furies
Mid camps have highest priority for several reasons. They give the same amount of gold as buff camps (well, 1 less), respawn more than twice as fast, and most importantly, are contested between each side. By killing them, not only are you getting the gold for yourself (and likely your mid), but you’re denying it from the enemy.
Blue camps are slightly less important because they’ll always go to your side laner, but they're a big source of gold and experience. If at all possible, try to get them by yourself for the extra EXP. However, as long as they get secured for your solo laner/Hunter, it's fine.
Basically, just try to keep everything on your side of the jungle dead. If you're playing a gank-heavy jungler, passing up on the Small Furies is fine, but for the most part you don't particularly need to gank a lane unless:
a) It's an easy kill, like an overextended Anubis b) The laner really needs help (and not just says they do, but really do) c) You see the enemy jungler on his way there and go to counter d) All the camps are dead and you have enough health/mana to fight
Of course, this is from a very selfish jungling viewpoint. Farming over ganking makes you fairly rich (assuming you get mid camps) and keeps up in levels. Ganking, of course, will help your teammate but may set you behind. Whichever you choose is up to you and what god you picked.
Who can Jungle? Currently, it seems that many gods can jungle if put in the position, though of course some are bad and some are nearly made for it.
Any current assassin can jungle, and do well at it with their ability to come into a gank and provide massive damage for their laner. They also clear fairly well, most having burst to quickly kill large monsters or even AoE abilities. Currently some of the best junglers include Mercury, Bastet, and Hun Batz.
Almost all Warriors are good at jungling right now. Vamana is probably the weakest jungler out of the bunch. Chaac, Osiris, Tyr, and Nemesis can all be picked in the jungle with little to no issue - in fact, Tyr jungle is bullshit considered very strong and a top pick.
Guardians make decent to poor junglers. Athena is the best of the bunch, having amazing gank prowess and decent clear, while Ymir has slightly better clear and ganking, but lower mobility. Khumbakarna may be able to jungle, but is not a great pick. The rest shouldn't really try it out, unless you're a very skilled/knowledgeable Hades player.
Of Mages, there are a few decent picks. Freya is a fantastic jungler, having decent ganking abilities, good clear, and the ability to hypercarry out of the jungle, so I'd highly recommend her if you want a magic damage jungler. Poseidon jungle has been seeing some popularity due to him just being an overall good pick, and Anubis has very good clear times and decent ganks with his stun. He Bo also fits under this category. However, the three of them really require you to know them well and be an experienced jungler, so don't expect people to like it if you lock them in. Nu Wa can jungle fairly well and ganks decently, but is not a popular pick and is also very good in lanes, but consider it if you can convince your team.
No Hunter should jungle. I mean, maybe they can, but just don’t.
Jungler notes, some of the more popular picks
Bastet is likely the best jungler in the game right now. High damage, high mobility, decent slows. She has the ability to get counter jungled by early tanks like Tyr, but she doesn't fall off pretty much at all.
Mercury used to be one of the best picks in the game. He's taken some nerfs since then, but he's still very good as long as you know how to use your grab and ult with your team.
Arachne has strong ganks, and can use her babies as zone control for camps even when she’s not around. Her clear is slightly slower to make up for it, but her single target damage is very high.
Loki has issues right now. His clears are slow, his ganks don't get good until level 6, and he can get counter jungled fairly easily. Only pick him if you're very confident in your skill.
Thanatos is the full package. His swing chain and his 3 give him good clear, he has massive sustain, and his ganks are bursty and can be surprising. However, his late game falls off quite hard past a certain point, so if you don't get ahead, you may end up being a burden.
Fenrir’s damage is rather high, but his sustain is iffy even with his free lifesteal. His ult is basically Skarner ult with CC immunity, so godlike ganks, but his damage can fall off if you're not keeping up.
Thor’s ganks are scary as hell and his clear is rather fast with a modicum of pen. Having a long range engage and a wall means that, even if you fall behind in items, you’re still a threat. However, he's quite squishy, so don't expect to jump into teamfights willy nilly.
Tyr can thrive in the jungle. With technically 4 AoE moves, which includes sustain and free protections, he’s rarely low on health. He can go tank or more damage with similar results, and can brawl 1v1 with the enemy jungle. Blink Tyr in the jungle is one of the scariest things in the game.
Guan has decent clear, free protections, a heal, and a strong gank ult. His first few levels can be a bit slow if he doesn’t get help, but once he gets rolling, a 3 2 combo on a camp basically clears it and leaves him tanky. His mobility is fairly low (dash and ult on long cooldowns unless you're with allies), so you may get out-maneuvered.
Freya is very good provided you know how to play her early game. She's not good 1v1 until she gets levels and items, but once she does, she'll carry. Be wary of early counterjungling.
Ymir is nice, but can’t get too far behind. He can’t exactly duel the enemy jungle, but can clear fast. He ganks really well with his CC (especially if you can get Blink), and a damage build on him makes his 2 and 4 pretty noticeable nukes.
Athena is honestly pretty cool. Her 3 clears jungle camps pretty fast (especially since you get an AoE auto after using it), and then is the best counter-ganker in the game with her ult. Like Shen jungle, but with a good clear and higher damage.
Chaac and Osiris are very similar. Great clear, decent ganks, good power curve into late game with AS and some tanky stats. Always solid picks, but don't necessarily excel in one area or another imo.
Nemesis is a very scary pick in the right hands. High mobility and two slows on a jungler is deadly against people who don't utilize wards correctly, and she remains a strong fighter in both the early and late game. She does less well against tanky teams.
Kali can hyper carry provided she's played with skill. Her early fighting isn't that great, but with a few levels in her abilities she can 1v1 or even 1v2 most characters.
Ne Zha has some issues. His early fighting is fairly weak, and he needs teammates to follow up on his ult and stun since his burst isn't too high until he starts critting. However, he's very versatile with a ranged poke, an easily landed stun, and a removal/damage ult.
Hun Batz is one of the best junglers that no one plays. Clears fast, very strong ganks, high mobility, does well early and late game. A well played Hun is terror, though consider a Shifter's Shield as he is quite tanky.
Later Items Since Assassins and Warriors are prevalent junglers, I’d like to talk about Heartseeker. It’s one of the best items if you can keep it fully or nearly fully stacked. The MS helps your roaming as well. However, while you get similar gold to lanes, you don’t always get numerically as much creeps as lanes do. If you feel like you’re farming well and you’re not spending too much downtime roaming or babysitting, Heartseeker is a great investment. If you’re dying a lot, losing camps, etc, skip it. I don't like it as much, but many junglers like to get it to soft-snowball.
Other than that, start with Bumba's (other than a few gods as talked about earlier), then get boots. Mobility is key, and you don't want to be lagging from camps to fights. Attack Speed gods do well with Qin's Sais. Freya should grab Fatalis and a Rod. Any Warrior god should grab at least one defensive item, generally one of Shifter's Shield/Magi's Blessing/Hide of the Urchin. Jotunn's Wrath is usually a good buy, as CDR and pen is very useful on most jungler gods.
That's just basic item ideology though. Build your god the way they should be built - get pen on ability-focused gods, get AS on gods that like to auto, etc.
As for actives, HoG is necessary (HoG3 is good for objectives, though many like Fist for the stun). Sprint is good on pretty much any jungler or in fact any god in general. Tyr, Ymir, and some others should go for Blink instead. If you already have mobility and don't feel like you need more, you can get Beads/Aegis for defense, or Enfeebling/Weakening Curse to lock down opponents.
Other Like in League, people will beg for ganks and for you to win their lane for them. Honestly, most of the time it’s just best to ignore them. Like I said, farming is best unless there’s a high chance for a kill. If you’re in a lane and the enemy jungle gets both Mid Fury camps while you’re dawdling, you’re way behind.
Counterjungling is very iffy, and I’m not really an authority on it. If you’re playing someone who can 1v1 well, like Arachne, Bastet, Kali, or Tyr, feel free to ward up enemy buffs and jump them, but many junglers can’t invade, similar to League. I’d say stay away from it until you’re really comfortable at assessing power levels.
Disclaimer: I'm not a fantastic jungler, but these are the general principles.
Janus looks AMAZING. Global ult, wall walking, CC. His damage only seems moderate (given how hard to land his 2 and ult will be), will likely end up being a support-ish mage, giving mobility to his team.
Ward skins are nifty. But they cost Gems. Pass.
Flying gold is back! Yes!
Root/Cripple buff seems nice, since they won't get stopped by Magi's. I can't really think of when Diminishing Returns really hurt them badly, but I guess it's nice anyway.
No idea how the Hunter item changes will affect things. Ask Soniv.
I shed no tears for Wukong or Tyr. Those were needed beyond belief.
Odin will likely fall off, now.
Nemesis REALLY needed that reclassification, will be a bit more balanced now imo.
Ugh, am I gonna see Herc more? I don't want to see Herc more.
Guan nerfs were in line with the rest, but... he really wasn't that strong compared to the others. Probably will need buffs in the future.
Agni changes, dunno. Nerf is good, buff likely won't change too much considering it was already easy to land his stun.
Cupid buff is neat. We'll see how it changes his pick rate.
Haha more Ullr nerfs
Hun Batz will probably still be good. He still has a strong kit outside of his passive.
Poseidon will be easier to catch. Finally, that guy is still a dick though.
Goodbye Zeus, I will not miss you.
Yay I can play Zhong again without being laughed at! Probably!
iuno if i feel good about how they are trying to put all the warriors in the same niche. they are balancing offensive numbers so hard around assasin > warrior > guardian which is a good general rule and its too early to start complaining about the hi-rez approved meta but it sure looks like they are heading that way.
I'll wait for my actual impressions of hunter item changes until I play with them, but I think I like them? It should offer more options.
On May 23 2014 06:44 ComaDose wrote: iuno if i feel good about how they are trying to put all the warriors in the same niche. they are balancing offensive numbers so hard around assasin > warrior > guardian which is a good general rule and its too early to start complaining about the hi-rez approved meta but it sure looks like they are heading that way.
Hi-Rez has never been secretive about how they want to classify their gods though. Warriors were always meant to be bruiser like, but for a while they truly have been "guardians that do more damage". Unfortunately, Idk where they'll find their place on the map now. I imagine they can still be used in jungle pretty well, but if they want to go solo, it will require some mage nerfs I think.
On May 23 2014 12:01 Cixah wrote: As long as #FingerGuns Didn't get nerfed I don't care. Someone teach me how to Apollo Good.
Apollo will be less good with the warrior nerfs, he paired really well with them because of their early pushing power.
But I feel like you play Apollo the same every game - shoot things, stay in your lane and push towers (cuz your passive is retarded), if anyone comes to get you, ult away.
I want to try out Smite in this weekend I guess, is there anyone to play with newb like me to get introduce into the game and provide me some useful tips ?
Sadly, I'm out and about until the 8th or so. Sonic and I are on America time, too. Not sure which Euros play much, but you can read the posts here to get some newbie tips.
It's a nice game, you should definately try it out. There are a few different modes, personally I like Arena (5v5, score based on kills and minions reaching enemy goal) and Conquest (classic 5v5) the most, but Assault (ARAM) and Joust (1v1 / 3v3) also has its charms. I haven't tried the new game mode, think it's something like Dominion? As said in GD, almost everything is skillshot based, and while attacking you move slower, so attack-centric gods can be a bit tough at first. Duvon is my IGN.
no wonder i didnt find a smite thread before, why is this in lol general?
anyways picked the game up un wednesday, bought the hero pack on thursday and now have over 50 games played. shit is damn fun. seems like with some moba knowledge you can pick it up quite easy.
how long does it usually take for new heroes to come out? is favor useless now for me outside of recolor skins? all other skins cost 3-10$ ?
The thread is in LoL because OP fels at home here, and as the topic suggests, it's about getting used to Smite coming from a LoL background in MOBAs.
New gods seem to arrive about once a month, at least through the later beta stages and up till now.
ADC is Attack Damage Carry, a term widely used in LoL to depict a champion and playstyle which has a (ranged) attack, attack-modifying skills like attack speed boosts, and is there to "carry" the team to victory later in the game, by the virtue of taking down towers easily. Kindof like the Hunter in Smite.
There was a thread in the Other Games section, but no one was using it. Me, Soniv, and Coma were playing quite a bit so I made a thread here for us to post stuff in and for other people in our community to join, but of course it's welcome to anyone who wants to talk about it.
Favor can also get you loading screen icons, but yes if you bought the god pack it's mostly just used for the cosmetic skins.
-New god looks interesting, but I'm not sure how he'll fare. Will largely hinge on how hard the Astral Arrow management is, as it looks like that'll be his main pushing skill and his "CC", even though it's a light one. -Ancile looks like a great item for warrior or assassin solo laners, as it'll be a great help against the mages that populate that lane right now. -They really want to kill Poly :\ -Scylla nerf was really necessary, she was pretty high pick/ban at the time. Hopefully nerfing her CC a bit will make her less terror. -Thank goodness they nerfed Khumba's frickin mesmerize. -That Xbal nerf seems unnecessary -Zeus buffs don't really matter since taking away his stun kicked him in the balls royally
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I've been playing some Serqet lately, but I don't think I like her that much. There's a lot of setup, but if you can get it off she's pretty great. Not as direct as someone like Loki or Thanatos.
Athena continues to be my favorite support by far.
I have yet to play Serqet (or even encounter her since I never play norms). I finally got my Rama mastery. It took me a while to figure him out, but I definitely see why he's so bonkers now. He's very hard to counter play in general.
I feel that Rama can be shut down early by aggressive supports and hunters. If he is allowed to get a couple points into his 1, he just pushes lanes immediately and does crazy damage. His mid game is insane, and the meta right now really favors mid-game gods.
On August 01 2014 04:06 Requizen wrote: I feel that Rama can be shut down early by aggressive supports and hunters. If he is allowed to get a couple points into his 1, he just pushes lanes immediately and does crazy damage. His mid game is insane, and the meta right now really favors mid-game gods.
Eh, I'm inclined to disagree with mid game gods being favored, or at least, mid game adcs. Getting GF early with >=30 stacks on Devourer's is really easy for any adc assuming the team is fairly uninterrupted. The strongest adc right now is definitely Artemis, and it's her late game that's most terrifying. I'd put Rama as a close 2nd behind her, as his late game is almost as equally terrifying (only thing holding him back is just how god damn strong Art's boar is).
On July 31 2014 06:01 Requizen wrote: These feel unnecessary
wait, is the first one supposed to be nu wa?
Did Hirez make her white?
Yeah, she looks more like a forest nymph than anything now. But I dunno her lore so I'm not sure if it's right or not? Either way, apparently she's getting a new kit too so I'm not to happy about that :\
On July 31 2014 06:01 Requizen wrote: These feel unnecessary
wait, is the first one supposed to be nu wa?
Did Hirez make her white?
Yeah, she looks more like a forest nymph than anything now. But I dunno her lore so I'm not sure if it's right or not? Either way, apparently she's getting a new kit too so I'm not to happy about that :\
On July 31 2014 06:01 Requizen wrote: These feel unnecessary
wait, is the first one supposed to be nu wa?
Did Hirez make her white?
Yeah, she looks more like a forest nymph than anything now. But I dunno her lore so I'm not sure if it's right or not? Either way, apparently she's getting a new kit too so I'm not to happy about that :\
good, her current kit is so broken
Meh, all she needs is for her minions to die quicker to towers/not do as much damage to them. They could even just change that spell for all I care, it's the most boring one to me (though bodyblocking chasers with them is pretty fun). The rest of her kit isn't overpowered, nor is her 1v1 or teamfighting. It's just her pushing, and if you take away her free wave of minions that gets nerfed, which I'm ok with.
On July 31 2014 06:01 Requizen wrote: These feel unnecessary
wait, is the first one supposed to be nu wa?
Did Hirez make her white?
Yeah, she looks more like a forest nymph than anything now. But I dunno her lore so I'm not sure if it's right or not? Either way, apparently she's getting a new kit too so I'm not to happy about that :\
good, her current kit is so broken
Meh, all she needs is for her minions to die quicker to towers/not do as much damage to them. They could even just change that spell for all I care, it's the most boring one to me (though bodyblocking chasers with them is pretty fun). The rest of her kit isn't overpowered, nor is her 1v1 or teamfighting. It's just her pushing, and if you take away her free wave of minions that gets nerfed, which I'm ok with.
agreed, but I'll keep my pitchfork stowed away until I see the rework
On July 31 2014 06:01 Requizen wrote: These feel unnecessary
wait, is the first one supposed to be nu wa?
Did Hirez make her white?
Yeah, she looks more like a forest nymph than anything now. But I dunno her lore so I'm not sure if it's right or not? Either way, apparently she's getting a new kit too so I'm not to happy about that :\
hm. well I'm a little miffed that she's no longer Chinese/Asian, which is kinda annoying since she's supposed to be the Chinese creation goddess.
New kit, first writeup I found. It looks... I dunno, I'll have to try it. She's no longer an auto-attack mage other than her passive, and her ult is a global nuke.
I am not impressed. I liked her focus on AoE autos and CC, now she's just... something different. Blerh
-Still not sure about New Wa. She's very much a combo mage now, but with Karthus ult. -Rama 1 nerf fairly well needed. Probably won't hurt him too much, but still needed. -SWK buff. Oh yay, I really wanted to see him again -.-
I think dynamic queues are bad. I really like the knowing when your game will start. But then again, I'm at the bronze level so matchmaking doesn't matter much.
I don't think SWK buff will be enough to bring him back to super popularity, there are too many other really good picks still to take over him.
I'm a bit baffled by the Janus buff, he doesn't need it at ALL.
On August 05 2014 05:15 Duvon wrote: I think dynamic queues are bad. I really like the knowing when your game will start. But then again, I'm at the bronze level so matchmaking doesn't matter much.
That's what a lot of people are saying, but like...dynamic queues at low level are super short anyway. Sure, knowing when your game will start is nice, but lowbie queues are rarely gonna be longer than 30s anyway.
When looking at other games, even low level queues can easily get to the 5 minute mark. If they do this dynamic thing, they need to enable double queues.
On August 05 2014 07:16 Duvon wrote: When looking at other games, even low level queues can easily get to the 5 minute mark. If they do this dynamic thing, they need to enable double queues.
low level league games take 5 min for queue?
even if that's true, the matchmaking will be better for the large, middle of the pack group (not the uber low or uber high) I'd imagine
I could be wrong though, but I am optimistic about it
I have no real opinion about Xbox1 Smite. If it sells well, great for them. Doesn't really affect me cuz PC and Xbox players won't ever be queued together.
I played a bunch of Agni yesterday to get mastery - I now understand why he's so insane.
Requizen, I feel that you should be excited that Smite is coming to Xbox One.
I know right now you might be thinking that I'm crazy, but hear me out.
You already play Smite on PC. So if Smite is then released onto other platforms, it shouldn't affect you in a negative way at all. You have your preferred way to play Smite (On PC) and if you do have an Xbox One, you can also play it there as well. I'm assuming that you don't have an Xbox One, but what I'm saying here is that you have more options open to you. Nobody is forcing you to get it on the Xbox One, so I can't see it being released there being too much of an issue for you.
Another thing to consider is that Smite being released on the Xbox One is going to increase the accessibility to Smite. And for this reason, I would expect the Smite community to grow. And if the Smite community grew, I'd imagine that would translate to more profits for the company that created Smite, which in turn could mean that Smite ends up getting more content. I'd also wager that you'd think that getting more Smite content would be a good thing would it not?
Of course, even though I have stated why this could be a good thing, I can think of a couple of reasons why you might not be liking Smite being released onto Xbox One. For starters, if you like having a smaller Smite community, and if that is one of the draws for you, then of course you wouldn't want the community to grow. From what I know, this isn't the viewpoint that you hold, but I'm not you so I can't say with certainty. Another reason why you might not like this business decision is because you feel like the Smite team could be spending their resources on other avenues. You as an individual could have gotten more if they didn't spend their money trying to port this to Xbox One but rather if they spent the money trying to improve the game. However, I would think that they wouldn't port it to Xbox One if they felt like they couldn't make a profit off of it. However, this might not mean that they will make a profit off of it, but the potential certainly is there, and then they could use that money to make the game better.
Long story short, you can have your opinions, but I just think that these are some things to consider!
*cast Khepri's Scarab Blessing to save this thread from the brink of death*
This thread might be better served moving to The Shopkeeper's Inn, but that is not really my concern. If a mod wishes to move it, go for it.
I'm starting to play this game again, and hot damn do I still love it. There have been lots of changes since I last played - lots of new gods, some jungle changes, map art is beautiful, skins are crazy good... Hi-Rez has done a lot of great stuff.
Probably better to just make a new one in there, the OP is quite outdated and I'm out of play enough to not be able to update it in any reasonable fashion.
EPT
^ Tiberius77
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