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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 21:06:08
November 05 2013 21:05 GMT
#1781
^and to think, people say riot should listen to tl gd for game design advice LOL
TranslatorBaa!
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 05 2013 21:09 GMT
#1782
Im just saying Heimer is boring. Its like facing stupid Yorik.
Freeeeeeedom
jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 05 2013 21:11 GMT
#1783
On November 06 2013 06:09 cLutZ wrote:
Im just saying Heimer is boring. Its like facing stupid Yorik.


oh god, please don't compare me to yorick players
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Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 05 2013 21:13 GMT
#1784
On November 06 2013 06:02 cLutZ wrote:
Turrets are stupid. Should be unkillable, or should have no cooldown and be balanced around that. They are too core to his kit for the current iteration to be fun.

See-minion-kill-minion doesnt have the same ring to it.

I think that's a little overboard. As it is, Heimer's turrets are too squishy, but making them virtually unremovable creates more problems than it solves.

I think it'd be more easily fixed if Riot adds a small (0.1~0.2) AP ratio to Heimer's turret hp, buff turret base health and remove level scaling.
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 05 2013 21:14 GMT
#1785
On November 06 2013 06:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
^and to think, people say riot should listen to tl gd for game design advice LOL


u still wanna go heroes of bronze 5 next season

also holy shit last 2 weeks of ranked before season ends is truly the biggest shithole ive ever seen in any game
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Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21244 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-05 21:16:45
November 05 2013 21:16 GMT
#1786
On November 06 2013 06:11 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 06:09 cLutZ wrote:
Im just saying Heimer is boring. Its like facing stupid Yorik.


oh god, please don't compare me to yorick players


No Soniv, you are the Yorick.

And then Soniv was a ghoul.

On November 06 2013 06:14 FinestHour wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 06:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
^and to think, people say riot should listen to tl gd for game design advice LOL


u still wanna go heroes of bronze 5 next season

also holy shit last 2 weeks of ranked before season ends is truly the biggest shithole ive ever seen in any game


im always a hero of bronze 5

when does season end/start? are they gonna have that stupid pre-season thing going on again for a bit?
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FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 05 2013 21:18 GMT
#1787
idk ive only been 30 for 3 months spent 3 weeks stuck in plat 3 elo hell is real etc
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jcarlsoniv
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States27922 Posts
November 05 2013 21:18 GMT
#1788
I know season ends 11/11

Not sure if they have a preseason again - idk if there's been word.
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cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 05 2013 21:19 GMT
#1789
On November 06 2013 06:11 jcarlsoniv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 06:09 cLutZ wrote:
Im just saying Heimer is boring. Its like facing stupid Yorik.


oh god, please don't compare me to yorick players


I'm going to be honest, you are a Yorick player.
Freeeeeeedom
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
November 05 2013 21:20 GMT
#1790
On November 06 2013 05:08 Ketara wrote:
I think depending on how long the buffs last that Spellweaving/Bladeweaving are retarded overpowered on specific champions. Also depending on how they work with spells that count on-hits.


No matter how sexy those masteries look they're still only +3% damage at max, which isn't really that much. Hell the 21st point in offense will just give you the +3% damage straight up without having to weave autos or spells.

It's definitely not going to be "s2 -minion damage" levels of OP, at least.
Ryuu314
Profile Joined October 2009
United States12679 Posts
November 05 2013 21:25 GMT
#1791
On November 06 2013 06:20 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 05:08 Ketara wrote:
I think depending on how long the buffs last that Spellweaving/Bladeweaving are retarded overpowered on specific champions. Also depending on how they work with spells that count on-hits.


No matter how sexy those masteries look they're still only +3% damage at max, which isn't really that much. Hell the 21st point in offense will just give you the +3% damage straight up without having to weave autos or spells.

It's definitely not going to be "s2 -minion damage" levels of OP, at least.

Well it all adds up. 3% from weaving mastery, 3% from 21 havoc or w/e its called, then if your target is sub 50% hp you add another 5%. Ends up being ~10 damage boost which isn't bad.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 05 2013 21:29 GMT
#1792
On November 06 2013 06:18 jcarlsoniv wrote:
I know season ends 11/11

Not sure if they have a preseason again - idk if there's been word.

yah, although from a non-fan perspective there is not a whole lot of difference between preseason and regular season
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
November 05 2013 21:40 GMT
#1793
On November 06 2013 06:25 Ryuu314 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 06 2013 06:20 thenexusp wrote:
On November 06 2013 05:08 Ketara wrote:
I think depending on how long the buffs last that Spellweaving/Bladeweaving are retarded overpowered on specific champions. Also depending on how they work with spells that count on-hits.


No matter how sexy those masteries look they're still only +3% damage at max, which isn't really that much. Hell the 21st point in offense will just give you the +3% damage straight up without having to weave autos or spells.

It's definitely not going to be "s2 -minion damage" levels of OP, at least.

Well it all adds up. 3% from weaving mastery, 3% from 21 havoc or w/e its called, then if your target is sub 50% hp you add another 5%. Ends up being ~10 damage boost which isn't bad.

+% damage doesn't stack especially better with itself, the fact that there are other sources of +% damage doesn't make any one source of +% damage better than it normally would be.

spell/bladeweaving is still probably a fine mastery on champs that can take advantage of it, but it's nowhere near being "retarded overpowered" on anyone, just because the maximum potential isn't that high.

A +10% damage boost isn't bad, but it's not great if you have to A) spend 6 points on it, and B) have a bunch of conditions be met before it even kicks in fully.
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 05 2013 21:44 GMT
#1794
Interesting little mastery builder from Reddit, for the sake of convenience:

http://pluc.me/lol_s4_masteries/#
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Alzadar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada5009 Posts
November 05 2013 22:03 GMT
#1795
I feel like 9 in Utility will be really strong on everyone (Biscuits for everyone). Hard to think of a champ that this won't be good on: http://pluc.me/lol_s4_masteries/#ddts7Uy, then go 21 Off/Def depending.
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AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 05 2013 22:05 GMT
#1796
On November 06 2013 07:03 Alzadar wrote:
I feel like 9 in Utility will be really strong on everyone (Biscuits for everyone). Hard to think of a champ that this won't be good on: http://pluc.me/lol_s4_masteries/#ddts7Uy, then go 21 Off/Def depending.


I can see Energy/Resourceless champs preferring to ignore that mastery for better defense/offense.

But then there's everyone else.
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AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
November 05 2013 22:09 GMT
#1797
lol the twitch chrome plugin is amazing, I can watch 3 streams on source now and before that even 1 stream on high during primetime was lagging.
Vlanitak
Profile Joined November 2009
Norway3045 Posts
November 05 2013 22:10 GMT
#1798
thank you based R1CH for making the internet a little better every now and then <3
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Seuss
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States10536 Posts
November 05 2013 22:16 GMT
#1799
On November 06 2013 07:03 Alzadar wrote:
I feel like 9 in Utility will be really strong on everyone (Biscuits for everyone). Hard to think of a champ that this won't be good on: http://pluc.me/lol_s4_masteries/#ddts7Uy, then go 21 Off/Def depending.


It's not just the biscuit aspect, but the 10% extra duration adds 15 more health per potion. For a Jungler starting Machete +5p that's 175 more health at the end of a clear between the two masteries.
"I am not able to carry all this people alone, for they are too heavy for me." -Moses (Numbers 11:14)
FinestHour
Profile Joined August 2010
United States18466 Posts
November 05 2013 22:36 GMT
#1800
i almost always start flask pot ward as mid, is the incentive of improved pots worth it to change that you think
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