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On November 02 2013 19:57 Azelja wrote:
Hmm... Does a properly played Vayne with Cleanse and QSS shit on Nasus or is my friend right when he calls me a "braindead-moronic-retard" for thinking that?
Depends on your team composition. You can easily get away with just QSS and get barrier instead. You gotta ask yourself "can nasus just walk up to me in every fight?" - If yes, get both, if no get QSS only.
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On November 02 2013 00:26 Requizen wrote:
Taric has always been just 100% bodyguard in my eyes. He can't do the teamfight thing, though his roaming would be good if roaming support wasn't mostly shit right now. He just hugs his ADC and combo's anyone who comes close, unless he can pick someone with stun.
If Executioner's Emblem gave Armor like it used to it would actually be a bit better for him. As of right now I don't think he works well with any of the items.
Should run him top with IBG, proc + passive = lulz.
you just blatantly ignored the fact that I mentioned philo is pretty good on him. Philo got buffed quite a bit mana regen wise and taric burns mana very easily.
Taric SUCKS at bodyguarding wtf. What is your 500 damage burst going to do to a bruiser? Like alistar is a million times better. Taric has to just annoy adcs because his defensive bonuses and burst are actually relevant to a squishy adc.
On November 02 2013 01:06 Dark_Chill wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 00:17 Slayer91 wrote:
Ideally taric wants to run in with stun + frost nova but AP is useless on him now.
It doesn't require much coordination, 200 hp is bigger than the adcs damage so you can just make sure to steal his creep at high enough hp
LW+IE+Wriggles sounds about right, cause of the 20% attack speed from wriggles+highlander. Then get mercs or something and get shiv afterwards.
honestly that martyrs call item is terrible id prefer to buy a giants belt and be done with it if I want hp. (get randuins or sunfire later huehue)
the key to playing a Taric is to beat the shit out of everyone with sheen and then buy awesome items. FTFY Seriously, sheen taric so much fun, chunking the shit out of people. And if you get fed, you're healing every few seconds and doing actually good damage with autos.
bitch please
ive played top taric (sucks) jungle taric with trinity rush (good) and support taric probably more than you've played taric in your lifetime. The issue is a support is nearly always too squishy to rush an item like sheen when you're so often the target of 2/3/4 people when your adc gets away and you're left. Or in teamfights where you want to actually get something done so you aren't worse than their support at everything, you need to be tankier than the point at which burst killing you and trying to disengage isn't worth it. (if you're tanky enough you can always flash out)
sheen isn't better on taric than it is on any other bruiser, except taric has a harder time staying in range. You need to hit that sweet spot where you're retardedly tanky for a support (tank items+40% cdr to heal every 3 hits) so adcs stay back and you get to free hit anyone in range and spam heal.
Trinity/IBG are great taric damage items but you need to be farmed/fed (from jungle if you want to rush trinity, IBG from support after some hp ) to pull it off.
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Can't heal every 3 hits anymore, though. Best of cases you get a 6s cd reduction because you started with the heal and used all 3 other spells in-between. Saddest part of these changes if they go through this way.
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Gotta say, after watching some Zed games, I really like the change they've done to him. I might pick him up now.
I'm one of those people who can't stand playing the ultra popular champs. I just bought Twisted Fate today after he's finally dropped off the radar. I don't even own Ahri, Fizz or Thresh, despite the fact I play mostly mid and support. My two exceptions are Zyra and Syndra (<3)
Looks are also very important to me in a champ. I will never play Veigar, despite the fact I adore his kit, because of his stupid looks (insult to Vivi). Actually that goes for all the Yordle champs. The likes of Renekton (looks dumb) and Shen (Tanky ninja WTF) also fall into this category.
Anyone else like this? What champs will you never play?
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New SK lineup is Nyph (Support), Candypanda(ADC) ,Jesiz (mid), Svenskeren (Jungle), Fredy122 (Top)
wow didn't see it coming
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Tabloid headline: SK Gaming resurrected! Will Jesiz be the saviour of SK Gaming?
On November 02 2013 22:08 Alaric wrote:
Can't heal every 3 hits anymore, though. Best of cases you get a 6s cd reduction because you started with the heal and used all 3 other spells in-between. Saddest part of these changes if they go through this way.
Yeah, this is one problem, and E/R cooldown is longer so you gain nothing there also. E-->W-->R-->Q does shave 4 seconds off W so you can spam that a bit. If you go philo-->CDR boots-->sightstone-->3x chain vest it might be a legit build (FH+Sunfire+Thornmail)
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On November 02 2013 22:08 Alaric wrote:
Can't heal every 3 hits anymore, though. Best of cases you get a 6s cd reduction because you started with the heal and used all 3 other spells in-between. Saddest part of these changes if they go through this way.
MATH TIME!
Old Taric Q: 16s cooldown at rank 5, 9.6s with max CDR. Hits needed to recast: ~3.
New Taric Q: 14s cooldown at rank 5, 8.2s with max CDR. Passive procs needed to recast: ~3.
You're actually underestimating new Taric by a lot. So long as he can stay in auto-range he can basically pull a Ryze now at max CDR. W->Auto->E->Auto->W->Auto->Q->Auto etc. He may be a bit more constrained when it comes to his heal, but in return he can use his other abilities much more readily.
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Except you need to gate your autos within spells cds now, meaning you choose to delay your heals/cc/burst (people might die/get out of range etc) or you won't get the cd reduction.
Before, 3 autos left it at a 0.6 second cd. 2 autos at 3.6 seconds. Now 3 autos leaves it at 2.2, 2 autos at 4.2. So you're right in that you don't lose TOO much if you don't auto too often.
For example you want to use your E to close the gap, but then you won't be able to use it to refresh W cd. I assume that's intentional though, because pulling a ryze with 500 bonus armour might be too much in terms of duelling (even if you have LW you are dealing more base magic damage to yourself then you are dealing to taric with thornmail, +250 bonus damage on W and 200 damage per auto)
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Don't forget that auto-attacking takes time. Unless you're assuming that you built Nashor's on Taric (lol) at level 18 you're looking at 1.2 seconds between autos past the first (and a non-trivial amount of time for the first auto's animation).
So to actually perform 3 auto-attacks takes roughly 3-3.6 seconds.
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yeah, that's why I said there wasn't a difference the more usual case is 2 auto hits + a wait time, or 3 auto hits for the extra damage.
other wise 0.6 to 2.2 is a big difference, but 3.6 to 4.2 isn't.
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Oh yeah I ommitted that it reduces all of his cooldowns now, I'm dumb. x_o
On November 02 2013 22:41 Slayer91 wrote:
Tabloid headline: SK Gaming resurrected! Will Jesiz be the saviour of SK Gaming?
Is he a known name? Doesn't ring a bell to me, but at least it means no more Ocelote.
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On November 02 2013 22:31 JazzVortical wrote:
Gotta say, after watching some Zed games, I really like the change they've done to him. I might pick him up now.
I'm one of those people who can't stand playing the ultra popular champs. I just bought Twisted Fate today after he's finally dropped off the radar. I don't even own Ahri, Fizz or Thresh, despite the fact I play mostly mid and support. My two exceptions are Zyra and Syndra (<3)
Looks are also very important to me in a champ. I will never play Veigar, despite the fact I adore his kit, because of his stupid looks (insult to Vivi). Actually that goes for all the Yordle champs. The likes of Renekton (looks dumb) and Shen (Tanky ninja WTF) also fall into this category.
Anyone else like this? What champs will you never play?
I was like that, until I reminded myself that there isn't style points in soloq.
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I used to build Nashors on top taric, before they changed his stun. No regrets.
The support sheen comment earlier was more of a joke, and I definitely find that support is not his best role right now. He's outdone by so many others. But toplane if you get farm (which isn't too hard in lower levels since no 1v2s), you fulfill a pretty good position. Healing allies and keeping yourself alive is pretty sweet, you remain a constant annoyance no matter who you attack. IBG procs and heals make the team want to focus you, but you take deceptively long to kill and give your team a really nice bonus before you die (if you die).
Not advocating this would work in higher levels (his gank assist isn't that good with low level stun, he's bad at escaping, can't 1v2, no farming ability if there's a lane bully/fall behind slightly), but he's definitely viable.
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On November 02 2013 23:16 Alaric wrote:Oh yeah I ommitted that it reduces all of his cooldowns now, I'm dumb. x_o Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 22:41 Slayer91 wrote:
Tabloid headline: SK Gaming resurrected! Will Jesiz be the saviour of SK Gaming? Is he a known name? Doesn't ring a bell to me, but at least it means no more Ocelote.
you must be living under a rock he died for our sins yo
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On November 02 2013 23:16 Alaric wrote:Oh yeah I ommitted that it reduces all of his cooldowns now, I'm dumb. x_o Show nested quote +On November 02 2013 22:41 Slayer91 wrote:
Tabloid headline: SK Gaming resurrected! Will Jesiz be the saviour of SK Gaming? Is he a known name? Doesn't ring a bell to me, but at least it means no more Ocelote.
Some high elo player, he seemed to jump around between ADC and mid for a while in challenger. Never really overtly impressed by him.
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Played against my first Heimer. Viktor still pushes faster.
He killed me while I was out of range of his turrets once, and it didn't even attack me. Do they apply a DoT? Or was it the server?
Edit: ya wiki doesn't mention DoT or anything, and it didn't fire the laser either. So it was probably EUW lagging again.
Still kills a triforce Shen pretty fast when he's dumb enough to taunt in the nash pit blind and 1v3+nashor+2 turrets, gg. :|
He did a bunch of damage but that was because people ran blind into triple turrets in a bush several times. On the other hand he was pretty bad at hitting his Es and used every ult on W unless he was being dived in which case he used RQ, so it didn't help his "real" damage output.
The turrets seem to die fast at low level, the wiki lacks info on them but I could kill them with 2 autos. The laser is also pretty easy to dodge in lane, probably much less in teamfights.
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On November 03 2013 00:06 Alaric wrote:
Played against my first Heimer. Viktor still pushes faster.
He killed me while I was out of range of his turrets once, and it didn't even attack me. Do they apply a DoT? Or was it the server?
Edit: ya wiki doesn't mention DoT or anything, and it didn't fire the laser either. So it was probably EUW lagging again.
Still kills a triforce Shen pretty fast when he's dumb enough to taunt in the nash pit blind and 1v3+nashor+2 turrets, gg. :|
He did a bunch of damage but that was because people ran blind into triple turrets in a bush several times. On the other hand he was pretty bad at hitting his Es and used every ult on W unless he was being dived in which case he used RQ, so it didn't help his "real" damage output.
The turrets seem to die fast at low level, the wiki lacks info on them but I could kill them with 2 autos. The laser is also pretty easy to dodge in lane, probably much less in teamfights.
The turrets are very squish, that's probably my only gripe. He's a hell of a lot of fun now.
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I'll be sitting in my "new Heimer sucks" tent mostly alone. Feel free to join me at any time!
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On November 03 2013 00:25 zer0das wrote:
I'll be sitting in my "new Heimer sucks" tent mostly alone. Feel free to join me at any time!
Nope
cuz he doesn't
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I'm just waiting for new Xerath. Current one is fun yo.
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