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imBLIND
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2626 Posts
October 29 2013 23:31 GMT
#41
I would've rather had my farming capabilities nerfed rather than having that R shadow being put at my starting position instead -_-. That shadow is so damn useful for catching people that try to run away from you
im deaf
Zess
Profile Joined July 2012
Adun Toridas!9144 Posts
October 29 2013 23:32 GMT
#42
Temporary summoner icons for the Season 3 World Championship teams have been removed from the client


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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
October 29 2013 23:32 GMT
#43
On October 30 2013 08:30 Swords wrote:
Man, I really wish they'd nerfed Zed's damage and not his feel as a champion. The whole fun of Zed is being able to dance around with shadows and try to outplay people.

Now he's just clunky...

I think the nerfs hit him where they need to. He has so little counterplay in the current version. Hitting damage is the wrong way to go.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 29 2013 23:33 GMT
#44
On October 30 2013 08:29 miicah wrote:
Show nested quote +
Also did support Annie become a thing? Did people not realize that she sucks bot lane?


I see a lot of people saying this, are they referring to organised play? Because I don't think this holds true for solo q at all.


I've never lost to a support Annie in lane, unless she was carried by an Ashe. She's mostly just garbage in lane, with a great ult that I still think is comparable to Sona while being a worse laner.
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Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 23:35:16
October 29 2013 23:33 GMT
#45
Soraka buffs oh yes. Another excuse to play an UP champ for the comedy. -Obviously reducing manacosts universally is… defeating the purpose of having mana, and pretty dumb. Maybe it's an implicit recognition of how OP energy/resourceless champs are inherently?
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
Sunaj
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada2041 Posts
October 29 2013 23:33 GMT
#46
On October 30 2013 07:46 NeoIllusions wrote:
Panky on Whose League seems confident that someone from NiP is going to NA.

Bjergsen to TSM?


CLG ez pz. *I doubt it tho*
Slusher
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States19143 Posts
October 29 2013 23:33 GMT
#47
Yea I was on the Annie duo-mid(for support) only hype train, especially after Tabe said it's by far the best way to play her. But after trying it bottom lane, solo q players too stupid apparently because it's pretty strong.
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Haiq343
Profile Joined August 2011
United States2548 Posts
October 29 2013 23:37 GMT
#48
On October 30 2013 08:33 Slusher wrote:
Yea I was on the Annie duo-mid(for support) only hype train, especially after Tabe said it's by far the best way to play her. But after trying it bottom lane, solo q players too stupid apparently because it's pretty strong.

Her weakness is she can't really do shit if you take the bushes from her intelligently. That's not going to apply to a lot of players (esp down here in badtopia), and hence her major weakness bot is removed.
I am enough of an artist to draw freely upon my imagination. Imagination is more important than knowledge. For knowledge is limited, whereas imagination encircles the world. -Einstein
jpak
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States5045 Posts
October 29 2013 23:38 GMT
#49
On October 30 2013 08:32 xes wrote:
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Temporary summoner icons for the Season 3 World Championship teams have been removed from the client


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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 23:42:24
October 29 2013 23:41 GMT
#50
On October 30 2013 07:46 NeoIllusions wrote:
Panky on Whose League seems confident that someone from NiP is going to NA.

Bjergsen to TSM?

Would make me really sad. An would be one huge kick in the nuts for the other players on NiP, especially those that just joined them. Would make a lot of sense though.
Oh well, once the roster change carousel starts spinning it is hard to stop. The NA and especially EU teams will look very different in s4.
Off-season = best season
BrownBear
Profile Joined March 2010
United States6894 Posts
October 29 2013 23:42 GMT
#51
I think we're about to see a rebirth of Morgana, especially with all the assassin nerfs.
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nafta
Profile Joined August 2010
Bulgaria18893 Posts
October 29 2013 23:45 GMT
#52
On October 30 2013 08:42 BrownBear wrote:
I think we're about to see a rebirth of Morgana, especially with all the assassin nerfs.

Morg support to counter the fid/annie/leona lanes more likely than mid.She seems pretty meh at mid.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
October 29 2013 23:46 GMT
#53
On October 30 2013 08:32 Lord Tolkien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 08:30 Swords wrote:
Man, I really wish they'd nerfed Zed's damage and not his feel as a champion. The whole fun of Zed is being able to dance around with shadows and try to outplay people.

Now he's just clunky...

I think the nerfs hit him where they need to. He has so little counterplay in the current version. Hitting damage is the wrong way to go.


He can still farm all day in lane, is actually a really strong melle champ from lvl 1, and he has a fairly good lvl 6 all in. Then he gets to be a top 5 splitpusher, and top 5 assassin with fairly decent teamfighting.

Doesn't seem like a fix at all. Although S4 changes may make the point moot.
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iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 29 2013 23:46 GMT
#54
My game just glitched hard, lol.

I rolled Kha'Zix in Aram. i doint own Kha'Zix.

o.o
Fealthas
Profile Joined May 2011
607 Posts
October 29 2013 23:47 GMT
#55
On October 30 2013 08:46 iCanada wrote:
My game just glitched hard, lol.

I rolled Kha'Zix in Aram. i doint own Kha'Zix.

o.o

He is in the freeweek.
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 23:51:02
October 29 2013 23:48 GMT
#56
I think everyone's overreacting to the mana cost buffs. They're to a grand total of 5 champions whom in general (Leona doesn't really count) have demanding mana management as is. Soraka in particular no longer has need for such high mana costs when she no longer gets free mana sustain for herself.

And let's be serious here, 200-250 mana is a huge cost for a single spell, when such ultimates no longer have the same impact as they once did.

While mana-cost creep is a concern, I don't think lowering ulti costs on these champions raise too much concern. Leona's the only one whom I somewhat question.

On October 30 2013 08:45 nafta wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 08:42 BrownBear wrote:
I think we're about to see a rebirth of Morgana, especially with all the assassin nerfs.

Morg support to counter the fid/annie/leona lanes more likely than mid.She seems pretty meh at mid.

That CC shield too good yo.

And if this talk of S4 support itemization is true, it means Morg support can actually afford a Zhonyas reliably, which allows her to hard initiate instead of just peeling with her ultimate.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-29 23:54:33
October 29 2013 23:52 GMT
#57
I think the reason why Annie is successful in solo queue as a bot lane support is the same reason why she's so successful in solo queue in mid.

Lots of "Oh I didn't realize Annie did that much damage"

I feel like at a more base level, Annie support is just a weaker Sona support. I can see it in 2v1's where her big autoattack range makes a tremendous difference and the lack of sustain isn't as important, but in 2v2's not so much.


And I agree with Tolkien, the mana cost reductions aren't a big deal. People shouldn't be acting like they're a big deal.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
October 30 2013 00:00 GMT
#58
I mean, it comes down to the fact that Annie can get more stun procs throughout a fight, and has in general more damage contribution and especially burst. The extra AA range is also very, very nice.

Sona's better at most aspects of supporting (free sustain, MS buff, also has CC, and great poke/harass and decent burst), but doesn't compare to Annie at all in a ranged kill-lane scenario.
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
October 30 2013 00:12 GMT
#59
On October 30 2013 08:47 Fealthas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 30 2013 08:46 iCanada wrote:
My game just glitched hard, lol.

I rolled Kha'Zix in Aram. i doint own Kha'Zix.

o.o

He is in the freeweek.


Lol, derp nvm.

<_<
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
October 30 2013 00:12 GMT
#60
I like this patch name.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
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