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57 Corvette
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada5941 Posts
November 17 2013 18:46 GMT
#3681
Don't get it. Every time I play galio I go 0/2 or 0/3 in lane and then i somehow bounce back and at least end neutral if not positive KD. Maybe its the power spike when I get RoA/Athenes?
Survival is winning, everything else is bullshit.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 17 2013 18:47 GMT
#3682
On November 18 2013 03:46 57 Corvette wrote:
Don't get it. Every time I play galio I go 0/2 or 0/3 in lane and then i somehow bounce back and at least end neutral if not positive KD. Maybe its the power spike when I get RoA/Athenes?

No, because no on in solo queue knows how to play against press R champions.
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 17 2013 18:50 GMT
#3683
On November 18 2013 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 03:35 JonGalt wrote:
obviously TL, now being headquartered in EU, is going to buy the super team.

TL Froggen?

EDIT:
watching TOO stream, starts dblade lee sin, doesn't grab lifesteal quints, doesn't gank at level 3, instead decides to full clear his jungle without a single gank try.
wut.

OddOne is freaking out about not being told what to do.
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 17 2013 18:52 GMT
#3684
On November 18 2013 03:50 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 18 2013 03:35 JonGalt wrote:
obviously TL, now being headquartered in EU, is going to buy the super team.

TL Froggen?

EDIT:
watching TOO stream, starts dblade lee sin, doesn't grab lifesteal quints, doesn't gank at level 3, instead decides to full clear his jungle without a single gank try.
wut.

OddOne is freaking out about not being told what to do.

Double dblade, still 0-0-0 at 14 min mark.
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 17 2013 18:53 GMT
#3685
On November 18 2013 03:52 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 03:50 Fusilero wrote:
On November 18 2013 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 18 2013 03:35 JonGalt wrote:
obviously TL, now being headquartered in EU, is going to buy the super team.

TL Froggen?

EDIT:
watching TOO stream, starts dblade lee sin, doesn't grab lifesteal quints, doesn't gank at level 3, instead decides to full clear his jungle without a single gank try.
wut.

OddOne is freaking out about not being told what to do.

Double dblade, still 0-0-0 at 14 min mark.

He's waiting for regi to tell him to gank mid
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 17 2013 18:54 GMT
#3686
On November 18 2013 03:53 Fusilero wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 03:52 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 18 2013 03:50 Fusilero wrote:
On November 18 2013 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 18 2013 03:35 JonGalt wrote:
obviously TL, now being headquartered in EU, is going to buy the super team.

TL Froggen?

EDIT:
watching TOO stream, starts dblade lee sin, doesn't grab lifesteal quints, doesn't gank at level 3, instead decides to full clear his jungle without a single gank try.
wut.

OddOne is freaking out about not being told what to do.

Double dblade, still 0-0-0 at 14 min mark.

He's waiting for regi to tell him to gank mid

Saint on enemy team, as jungle wukong, 2-0-2, and 15 more farm than TOO.

If your not ganking, you shouldn't be getting outfarmed. This is just so facepalm >.>
At least he grabbed early dragon cuz his botlane.
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
November 17 2013 18:56 GMT
#3687
On November 18 2013 03:54 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 03:53 Fusilero wrote:
On November 18 2013 03:52 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 18 2013 03:50 Fusilero wrote:
On November 18 2013 03:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On November 18 2013 03:35 JonGalt wrote:
obviously TL, now being headquartered in EU, is going to buy the super team.

TL Froggen?

EDIT:
watching TOO stream, starts dblade lee sin, doesn't grab lifesteal quints, doesn't gank at level 3, instead decides to full clear his jungle without a single gank try.
wut.

OddOne is freaking out about not being told what to do.

Double dblade, still 0-0-0 at 14 min mark.

He's waiting for regi to tell him to gank mid

Saint on enemy team, as jungle wukong, 2-0-2, and 15 more farm than TOO.

If your not ganking, you shouldn't be getting outfarmed. This is just so facepalm >.>
At least he grabbed early dragon cuz his botlane.

I forgot about saint's current obsession with jungle wukong, seriously every time I watch his stream or see him on another stream he's on jungle wukong
Glorious SEA doto
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 18:59:18
November 17 2013 18:56 GMT
#3688
just one of those games you have in a while where no ganks work out and you afk farm the jungle, yet yourteam somehow manages to stay even xD

yeah he just missed 3 easy Qs in a row, I know why he still hasn't played Lee for TSM ever.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 19:01:50
November 17 2013 19:00 GMT
#3689
On November 18 2013 03:56 AsnSensation wrote:
just one of those games you have in a while where no ganks work out and you afk farm the jungle, yet yourteam somehow manages to stay even xD

yeah he just missed 3 easy Qs in a row, I know why he still hasn't played Lee for TSM ever.

Too busy missing Elise stuns, to miss Lee Sin Q. lol.

EDIT: Saint so bm, lol, TOO kicks Saint into nidalee, "Look, i'm oddone, i'm helping".
liftlift > tsm
Fusilero
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United Kingdom50293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 19:08:12
November 17 2013 19:01 GMT
#3690
And now oddone just kicked saint's ulting wukong to give saint's jax a shutdown onto his fed nid. Stick J4 and elise oddone
OH SNAP IT'S KICKING OFF BETWEEN SAINT AND ODDONE
Glorious SEA doto
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 17 2013 19:08 GMT
#3691
On November 18 2013 04:01 Fusilero wrote:
And now oddone just kicked saint's ulting wukong to give saint's jax a shutdown onto his fed nid. Stick J4 and elise oddone

Oh shit, this shit talking.
though saint pretty much hit the nail on the head. lol.
liftlift > tsm
oneofthem
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Cayman Islands24199 Posts
November 17 2013 19:11 GMT
#3692
whats the point of having a jungler that doesn't help lane. some people prefer this playstyle but it is so bad to watch and deprives a lot of action from the game
We have fed the heart on fantasies, the heart's grown brutal from the fare, more substance in our enmities than in our love
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 19:13:49
November 17 2013 19:12 GMT
#3693
On November 17 2013 23:57 Tula wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 23:14 Scip wrote:
I didn't watch the Stonewall video, but from the few I have seen he is usually wrong and very inaccurate about everything. Better to test out things yourself than believe anything he says tbh.


Well the one thing you can say he has empirically tested is that master Yi in the new jungle while building wriggles runs into sustain issues and has about the same amount of gold as he had in S3.

If that information is worth anything is another question entirely

All the jungle camps got buffed either in HP or damage in S4, so it's harder to clear them.
And since you don't get the Wriggle up until 7,8 min with constant farm, from 1-7min, it's harder for S4 junglers to farm. The fact that by 12min, junglers still end up having 300+ gold more than S3 jungler is a positive thing.
In the end of the clip, he kept saying how he dies while killing the camp at 4:00, he should read the patch note and understand the camp is way stronger than before.
Roffles *
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Pitcairn19291 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 19:56:39
November 17 2013 19:51 GMT
#3694
On November 18 2013 02:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Well jungler routinely keeps up with sololaner xp til around lvl 6. Sometimes with good jungle control can keep in closr xp range of solo laner around lvl 9. If anything, jangle camps xp gain would be lower in real game early on, than in solo custom game.

lol

Wei2coolman, how does your computer not explode in 404 Errors when you post ridiculous shit like this?

Please explain to the general public how a jungler is routinely supposed to keep up with laners in either 1) professional games or 2) solo queue games. What is your strategy?

I ask the public, how many times do you see a jungler keep equal footing with a mid till level 6?
God Bless
Scip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic11293 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 19:56:50
November 17 2013 19:55 GMT
#3695
Jungler virtually always hits lvl6 later than solo laners unless he gets to hold a lane for his sololaner for 2 or 3 waves.
"It may be pleasurable for some of us to imagine being ravished" - Christopher Hitchens in a debate with feminists RIP 2011 Psalm 2:9 You shall break them with a rod of iron
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
November 17 2013 19:56 GMT
#3696
On November 18 2013 04:12 canikizu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 17 2013 23:57 Tula wrote:
On November 17 2013 23:14 Scip wrote:
I didn't watch the Stonewall video, but from the few I have seen he is usually wrong and very inaccurate about everything. Better to test out things yourself than believe anything he says tbh.


Well the one thing you can say he has empirically tested is that master Yi in the new jungle while building wriggles runs into sustain issues and has about the same amount of gold as he had in S3.

If that information is worth anything is another question entirely

All the jungle camps got buffed either in HP or damage in S4, so it's harder to clear them.
And since you don't get the Wriggle up until 7,8 min with constant farm, from 1-7min, it's harder for S4 junglers to farm. The fact that by 12min, junglers still end up having 300+ gold more than S3 jungler is a positive thing.
In the end of the clip, he kept saying how he dies while killing the camp at 4:00, he should read the patch note and understand the camp is way stronger than before.

Isn't that with Power farm though?

Really the only way things change is if the profit from ganking is significantly reduced. Otherwise the jungle will stay the same.
Freeeeeeedom
iCanada
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada10660 Posts
November 17 2013 20:15 GMT
#3697
On November 18 2013 04:56 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 04:12 canikizu wrote:
On November 17 2013 23:57 Tula wrote:
On November 17 2013 23:14 Scip wrote:
I didn't watch the Stonewall video, but from the few I have seen he is usually wrong and very inaccurate about everything. Better to test out things yourself than believe anything he says tbh.


Well the one thing you can say he has empirically tested is that master Yi in the new jungle while building wriggles runs into sustain issues and has about the same amount of gold as he had in S3.

If that information is worth anything is another question entirely

All the jungle camps got buffed either in HP or damage in S4, so it's harder to clear them.
And since you don't get the Wriggle up until 7,8 min with constant farm, from 1-7min, it's harder for S4 junglers to farm. The fact that by 12min, junglers still end up having 300+ gold more than S3 jungler is a positive thing.
In the end of the clip, he kept saying how he dies while killing the camp at 4:00, he should read the patch note and understand the camp is way stronger than before.

Isn't that with Power farm though?

Really the only way things change is if the profit from ganking is significantly reduced. Otherwise the jungle will stay the same.


Shouldn't it be a lot harder to gank on anyone not named Eve? All them Wards.

What top laner isn't going to have a ward down for the 3 minute mark if the enemy jungler started bottom side when they all get one free?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
November 17 2013 20:28 GMT
#3698
I guess you'll have the incentive to push hard to deny him the ability to use his ward (trinkets unusable the first 90 seconds), then use yours, and set up a countergank or something like that. But you'd need to be a better pusher and to have a stronger 2v2, for this.
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 17 2013 20:30 GMT
#3699
On November 18 2013 04:51 Roffles wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 18 2013 02:36 wei2coolman wrote:
Well jungler routinely keeps up with sololaner xp til around lvl 6. Sometimes with good jungle control can keep in closr xp range of solo laner around lvl 9. If anything, jangle camps xp gain would be lower in real game early on, than in solo custom game.

lol

Wei2coolman, how does your computer not explode in 404 Errors when you post ridiculous shit like this?

Please explain to the general public how a jungler is routinely supposed to keep up with laners in either 1) professional games or 2) solo queue games. What is your strategy?

I ask the public, how many times do you see a jungler keep equal footing with a mid till level 6?

Take all the buffs. Always push wave after ganks. Should be hitting 6 around same time as solo laners. Only maybe like 30s or 1 min apart. Just my experience :/
Then again I play a lot of games with tax heavy jungler friends.
liftlift > tsm
Cr4zyH0r5e
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Peru1308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-17 20:52:19
November 17 2013 20:32 GMT
#3700
^LOL

Edit.

Done laughing. Barring the fact that solo laners hit lvl 6 berore 7:15 (the usual time when your 2nd buff spawns) even if you take solo lane experience the only way you'll be able to keep up is if either laner dies to a dumb gank timing and gives up 2 full waves of experience.

Unless you're playing with solo laners who consistently missmanage wave and get killed at their own tower while you're near to get all the exp. You shouldn't be able to keep up.
Diamond 4 Jungle/Support - http://www.twitch.tv/cr4zyh0r5e/c/3051057 Zyra support 101
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