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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 14 2013 20:47 GMT
#3361
On November 15 2013 05:43 GettingIt wrote:
What if this new dude is actually an AP mid just to throw everyone off.

God forbid Riot introduces another ap yi.
liftlift > tsm
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 14 2013 20:49 GMT
#3362
On November 15 2013 05:47 obesechicken13 wrote:
To be fair, he does remind me of Master Yi. Yi even has a Samurai skin.

Yi's skin is in traditional Samurai garb, while the picture of Yasuo gives him more of Ronin imagery.
It's your boy Guzma!
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
November 14 2013 20:54 GMT
#3363
On November 15 2013 04:13 wei2coolman wrote:
Also, when is IBG going to get a buff? Triforce pretty much eliminated the item.

Good, it's one of the worst ideas they had in season 3. Let it sink into the garbage heap, never to be seen again, along with other concoctions like executioners calling.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
mordek
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States12705 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 20:56:31
November 14 2013 20:54 GMT
#3364
Spitting image of Samurai Jack imo.

I hope he comes out soon, I'm waiting for fish price to be reduced ^^
It is vanity to love what passes quickly and not to look ahead where eternal joy abides. Tiberius77 | Mordek #1881 "I took a mint!"
JazzVortical
Profile Joined July 2013
Australia1825 Posts
November 14 2013 20:55 GMT
#3365
Obviously it's Genjuro Kibagami.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 14 2013 20:56 GMT
#3366
On November 15 2013 05:54 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 04:13 wei2coolman wrote:
Also, when is IBG going to get a buff? Triforce pretty much eliminated the item.

Good, it's one of the worst ideas they had in season 3. Let it sink into the garbage heap, never to be seen again, along with other concoctions like executioners calling.


Let's also not bring things up to Triforce's power level. A TF nerf is an IBG buff.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
November 14 2013 20:56 GMT
#3367
On November 15 2013 05:54 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 04:13 wei2coolman wrote:
Also, when is IBG going to get a buff? Triforce pretty much eliminated the item.

Good, it's one of the worst ideas they had in season 3. Let it sink into the garbage heap, never to be seen again, along with other concoctions like executioners calling.

To be fair no one ever bought executioner's calling before or after s3

No one is willing to pay the cost of the grievous wounds in terms of how slot-inefficient the item is, but on the other hand if buying grievous wounds didn't actually cost anything then champs that rely on healing/regen would be nerfed too hard.
UniversalSnip
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
9871 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 20:59:28
November 14 2013 20:59 GMT
#3368
On November 15 2013 05:56 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 05:54 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 15 2013 04:13 wei2coolman wrote:
Also, when is IBG going to get a buff? Triforce pretty much eliminated the item.

Good, it's one of the worst ideas they had in season 3. Let it sink into the garbage heap, never to be seen again, along with other concoctions like executioners calling.

To be fair no one ever bought executioner's calling before or after s3

No one is willing to pay the cost of the grievous wounds in terms of how slot-inefficient the item is, but on the other hand if buying grievous wounds didn't actually cost anything then champs that rely on healing/regen would be nerfed too hard.

Yeah, I'm comparing IBG to that level of design badness.
"How fucking dare you defile the sanctity of DotA with your fucking casual plebian terminology? May the curse of Gaben and Volvo be upon you. le filthy casual."
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 14 2013 21:02 GMT
#3369
On November 15 2013 05:54 mordek wrote:
Spitting image of Samurai Jack imo.

I hope he comes out soon, I'm waiting for fish price to be reduced ^^

I GET THAT ONE I GET THAT ONE

Still feels like Jinx was just released yesterday, damn. It doesn't feel like it's been very long at all.

Ao Shin is the champ after this right?
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
thenexusp
Profile Joined May 2009
United States3721 Posts
November 14 2013 21:03 GMT
#3370
I don't actually think there's anything fundamentally wrong with exec's, it just costs too much (in terms of slots, not gold)
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
November 14 2013 21:06 GMT
#3371
Is the new champ basically Xin Zhao dropping spear and pick up sword?
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
November 14 2013 21:09 GMT
#3372
On November 15 2013 06:06 canikizu wrote:
Is the new champ basically Xin Zhao dropping spear and pick up sword?

Their lores are nothing alike.
It's your boy Guzma!
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
November 14 2013 21:10 GMT
#3373
On November 15 2013 05:59 UniversalSnip wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 05:56 thenexusp wrote:
On November 15 2013 05:54 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 15 2013 04:13 wei2coolman wrote:
Also, when is IBG going to get a buff? Triforce pretty much eliminated the item.

Good, it's one of the worst ideas they had in season 3. Let it sink into the garbage heap, never to be seen again, along with other concoctions like executioners calling.

To be fair no one ever bought executioner's calling before or after s3

No one is willing to pay the cost of the grievous wounds in terms of how slot-inefficient the item is, but on the other hand if buying grievous wounds didn't actually cost anything then champs that rely on healing/regen would be nerfed too hard.

Yeah, I'm comparing IBG to that level of design badness.

It was only problematic on Ez, in terms of balancing, and even then blue build ez was not op'd after the IBG nerfs, just overwhelmingly popular due to the type of play style that evolved out of it.
liftlift > tsm
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
November 14 2013 21:11 GMT
#3374
On November 15 2013 06:09 Requizen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 06:06 canikizu wrote:
Is the new champ basically Xin Zhao dropping spear and pick up sword?

Their lores are nothing alike.

Let's be real, most people don't care about lore.
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 21:32:04
November 14 2013 21:14 GMT
#3375
crit is a truly bizarre stat to put on executioner's calling that makes it undesirable to most top laners, who are the most likely to want a grievous wounds passive on an ad item. it's also too much of a dead-end item for ranged carries to buy as mentioned above in the slot expense point, although top laners are more willing to sacrifice slot efficiency if the item is sufficiently strong (see brutalizer)

i should clarify that slot expense isn't an insurmountable issue for ad carries, as shown in the 3 wriggles meta, but it's typically more relevant than for other roles
JonnyLaw
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States3482 Posts
November 14 2013 21:15 GMT
#3376
On November 15 2013 05:56 thenexusp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 05:54 UniversalSnip wrote:
On November 15 2013 04:13 wei2coolman wrote:
Also, when is IBG going to get a buff? Triforce pretty much eliminated the item.

Good, it's one of the worst ideas they had in season 3. Let it sink into the garbage heap, never to be seen again, along with other concoctions like executioners calling.

To be fair no one ever bought executioner's calling before or after s3

No one is willing to pay the cost of the grievous wounds in terms of how slot-inefficient the item is, but on the other hand if buying grievous wounds didn't actually cost anything then champs that rely on healing/regen would be nerfed too hard.



Nien bought it all the time when he was adc for orbit. Lots of cheap lifesteal.
CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-14 21:19:38
November 14 2013 21:18 GMT
#3377
On November 15 2013 05:44 AsmodeusXI wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 05:43 GettingIt wrote:
What if this new dude is actually an AP mid just to throw everyone off.


I really wish Riot would do this someday, but they seem to enjoy creating a strict aesthetic guideline for their roles... along with their strict definitions of the roles. T_T

I dunno, how much in common does gragas have aesthetically with other mid laners? In general, I agree with you though.
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
November 14 2013 21:19 GMT
#3378
On November 15 2013 06:11 Gahlo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 06:09 Requizen wrote:
On November 15 2013 06:06 canikizu wrote:
Is the new champ basically Xin Zhao dropping spear and pick up sword?

Their lores are nothing alike.

Let's be real, most people don't care about lore.

Don't say that, you'll convince Riot to continue raping their lore department.
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
Gahlo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States35162 Posts
November 14 2013 21:22 GMT
#3379
On November 15 2013 06:19 GhandiEAGLE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 06:11 Gahlo wrote:
On November 15 2013 06:09 Requizen wrote:
On November 15 2013 06:06 canikizu wrote:
Is the new champ basically Xin Zhao dropping spear and pick up sword?

Their lores are nothing alike.

Let's be real, most people don't care about lore.

Don't say that, you'll convince Riot to continue raping their lore department.

When it comes to lore, Riot clearly doesn't listen to it's community. If I, of all people, say that people don't care it's in effort to trigger reverse psychology. Prove me wrong, Riot, I dare you.
AsmodeusXI
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States15536 Posts
November 14 2013 21:28 GMT
#3380
On November 15 2013 06:18 CTStalker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 15 2013 05:44 AsmodeusXI wrote:
On November 15 2013 05:43 GettingIt wrote:
What if this new dude is actually an AP mid just to throw everyone off.


I really wish Riot would do this someday, but they seem to enjoy creating a strict aesthetic guideline for their roles... along with their strict definitions of the roles. T_T

I dunno, how much in common does gragas have aesthetically with other mid laners? In general, I agree with you though.


That's a pretty large exception to the rule, but I'm sure as hell glad it exists. Diana kinda messes with it too a bit, but she still has sparkly laser powers.
WriterTL > RL. BNet: Asmodeus#1187 - LoL: DJForeclosure - Steam: asmodeusxi | www.n3rddimension.com
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