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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On November 15 2013 03:54 wei2coolman wrote: Options> no options. Imo it opens up more situations for him to be useful. I'd rather them keep the ult the way it is, which is a great and fun skill, but mix up the rest of his kit/concept to fit that better. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On November 15 2013 03:56 wei2coolman wrote: Just like nidalee spears right? Just dodge um they said Except landing a Nidalee spear doesn't kill Nidalee as well. I stand by my grounds sweetheart. Your idea is retarded. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On November 15 2013 03:59 mr_tolkien wrote: Except landing a Nidalee spear doesn't kill Nidalee as well. I stand by my grounds sweetheart. Your idea is retarded. Increasing range would be acceptable if they also increased the resists you receive by a large margin, and perhaps also grant you a MS boost. With the current stats on his ult it wouldn't work. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 15 2013 03:59 mr_tolkien wrote: Except landing a Nidalee spear doesn't kill Nidalee as well. I stand by my grounds sweetheart. Your idea is retarded. you'll never hit that skillshot if he's got a decent team covering for him. This was the original complaint, which is completely moot. that's like saying Amumu should never land his bandage if team is smart enough to dodge, and Ashe arrows should always be avoidable, etc etc. Having the complaint of "skill shot should never land", for a skillshot based ability is bullshit. On November 15 2013 04:04 Requizen wrote: Increasing range would be acceptable if they also increased the resists you receive by a large margin, and perhaps also grant you a MS boost. With the current stats on his ult it wouldn't work. Yeah this was a given. Would also be cool to have it on like 60-80 sec cooldown, if skillshot missed, half the cool down. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 15 2013 04:10 -Zoda- wrote: Well my concern is more like : if the enemy ADc is very fed, isn't it that you fail at Urgot already ? Fed != farmed. Plenty of reasons why ADC might be ahead of you without your fault. 2v1 lanes, botched teamfights around objectives, loss of global gold (towers/drags/etc). Playing 2nd position ADC as Urgot, rather than 1st position. etc etc. On November 15 2013 04:13 AsmodeusXI wrote: I feel like the only smart way to run Urgot with wei2's ult idea is as support. You don't want him to be worth anything or need money because he's just going to ult and die. If he has another teamfight utility then you just waste it with the ult. And also, if you miss, shit's fucked. No, just have Urgot get ridiculously strong defensive buffs off of it. I don't get why there's this over whelming concern that you need to run it as an initiation spell. It works just fine as counter initiate as well, also Urgot builds naturally tanky as is. Also, when is IBG going to get a buff? Triforce pretty much eliminated the item. | ||
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Alaric
France45622 Posts
Now imagine Karthus in the enemy team, he'll gladly run into your ult. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 15 2013 04:18 Alaric wrote: Then again Cho'Gath or whatever initiator on their team can just willingly eat your ult just to get where they want to. Can't willingly eat a Nida spear to protect your carries. Well, you can, but you'd rather avoid it. Now imagine Karthus in the enemy team, he'll gladly run into your ult. I don't see how this is an issue, same applies to Blitz hooks... I'm not inventing some new mechanic that can seriously fuck over your team that doesn't already exist. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On November 15 2013 03:30 Amui wrote: Riot logic. "hey guys we nerfed urgot to shit, then we nerfed the items that made him strong, so now we need a rework to make him viable". Maybe "buff" should've been an option? The reason people don't play him is that you nerfed him to shit, not because people didn't enjoy playing him. Core gameplay - QE and W(or equivalent) slowing should be exactly the same, possibly with some range increases(dem nerfs yo), and moving his attack range up to at least 475 if not 500. I'd imagine they would change his W/R though. The thing I don't get though is, urgot's kit apart from his ultimate is perfectly fine. Knowing riot though, they'd probably make urgot Q reduce CD on other skills by .5s per hunter landed. Make urgot manaless, give him crap base values but insane steroids attached to one or two of his skills hue. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
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AsmodeusXI
United States15536 Posts
On November 15 2013 04:22 SagaZ wrote: oh hey, master yi without his mask and gadgets (dagger boots) Which is to say not Master Yi. For what is Wuju style if not eyeball masks and sword boots. IT IS NOTHING. | ||
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mr_tolkien
France8631 Posts
On November 15 2013 04:06 wei2coolman wrote: This was the original complaint, which is completely moot. that's like saying Amumu should never land his bandage if team is smart enough to dodge, and Ashe arrows should always be avoidable, etc etc. Well except mumu can bandage the non-primary target, as well as Ashe arrow since it comes with an AoE slow. High range single target skillshots are different from high range skillshots leading to AoE effects. If the only use of the bonus range for Urgot ult is to touch an opposing AD to suicide trade for him, it won't be useful because should that case come, the team will do ANYTHING for it not to happen. On November 15 2013 04:13 AsmodeusXI wrote: I feel like the only smart way to run Urgot with wei2's ult idea is as support. You don't want him to be worth anything or need money because he's just going to ult and die. If he has another teamfight utility then you just waste it with the ult. And also, if you miss, shit's fucked. AKA Vengeful spirit. | ||
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SagaZ
France3460 Posts
On November 15 2013 04:23 AsmodeusXI wrote: I'm in. Samurai ftw. Which is to say not Master Yi. For what is Wuju style if not eyeball masks and sword boots. IT IS NOTHING. Actually, after thinking about this, you're right Now, why pick a samurai over the wuju dunk master? | ||
NeoIllusions
United States37500 Posts
Aesthetically looks like a Top Lane. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On November 15 2013 04:23 mr_tolkien wrote: Well except mumu can bandage the non-primary target, as well as Ashe arrow since it comes with an AoE slow. High range single target skillshots are different from high range skillshots leading to AoE effects. If the only use of the bonus range for Urgot ult is to touch an opposing AD to suicide trade for him, it won't be useful because should that case come, the team will do ANYTHING for it not to happen. Again, you're pigeon holing what he can do, a Riven slightly over extended? Eat urgot ult in face, proceed to eat your entire teams burst damage before she can do anything. And it's not just ADC, don't forget about mids, they can just as easily be eating a fatty urgot ult as well. It's not just a team fighting ability as well, works extremely well in picks. And we know how good pick comps can be. The change in ult I suggest is opens up more options, not necessarily getting rid of any that he already has. On November 15 2013 04:27 NeoIllusions wrote: New Ionian champion inc? Aesthetically looks like a Top Lane. Probably jungle with all dem fancy jungle items in s4 | ||
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mordek
United States12705 Posts
On November 15 2013 04:19 wei2coolman wrote: I don't see how this is an issue, same applies to Blitz hooks... I'm not inventing some new mechanic that can seriously fuck over your team that doesn't already exist. Isn't this change to the ult you propose just a strictly worse version of blitz hook but longer range? Urgot should plant himself and activate his Death Star tractor beam that channels and sucks anyone towards him that is in the area. You got zoning, cc, and it's not a suicide mission. It does take away the heart of his old ult though. | ||
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arb
Noobville17922 Posts
On November 15 2013 04:22 Requizen wrote: New champion preview, I'm assuming we won't see him for a while however. Varian is that you? | ||
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