|
On November 13 2013 20:10 Big-t wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 19:58 TheYango wrote:On November 13 2013 19:56 Big-t wrote:
Hahaha just found this threat and have a question: Why is it blacklisted to ask what a tank is? XD
I have to explain this every time when I teach someone the basics of LOL... Because it incites a discussion that we've had at various points in the history of the subforum countless times, and for which there's adequate discussion if one merely thinks to use the search button before posting. Ok that sounds like sense^^ on topic: As Ahri is my main char I don´t really like this patch, but reading through these changes I saw something I don´t understand. I mostly play unranked and just for fun so I don´t have any ideas of any pro builds. What do they mean with "all-in" in LOL? Is this a playstyle, an itembuild or is it because her Q and E are skill shots?? + Show Spoiler +Make Ahri’s default lane patterns more clear, so both Ahri and her opponents can make plays around them
Make Ahri’s “all-in” gameplay more closely tied with landing Charm to establish Charm as Ahri’s “kiss of death” that needs to be avoided, as well as lower her threat/presence while Charm is on cooldown
Keep Ahri’s core gameplay intact while trimming away strength from the low-gameplay patterns that don’t feel rewarding
Most common definition of All-in is that you blow everything you have to get a kill, up to defensive summoner spells. Obviously the definition varies, some casters say "he is going all-in on him" just because he uses a single gapclose of some kind to start to fight.
I guess in Ahri's case I'd say a true all in begins when you use summoner spells, but commonly it simply means that you use a long cooldown instead of just trading with a single combo or rotation.
Random example, your laning against Orianna who has a chalice, so your pretty sure a full combo even with all ult charges won't 100-0 her. So you throw your usual harass combos (Q or maybe EQ if the opportunity presents itself). You get her down to 60% so now you think it's time to try an all in and go for a kill. Instead of throwing E from max range and hope for a hit you ult in her face for a closeshot charm and unload everything you have afterwards. Since you started by using a longish cooldown I'd say its an all-in, even if being Ahri you still have 2 charges of your ult and a flash to get yourself to safety if you somehow messed up or the situation turns bad.
On other champions it might be a bit more important to judge that moment correctly.
Tl;dr an all in is when you start a fight knowing that you will have to either fight it out to the close or do some fancy footwork to extract yourself. Other stuff and scirmishes in lane are usually called trading or poking in LoL terminology.
|
On November 13 2013 21:01 JonnyLaw wrote:
Skarner's E isn't a terrible skill. It's just that levels in W and Q are so important and his mana restrictions hurt him big time.
What other champs completely skip an ability though? Ezreal W and Sona E?
Ezreal W with an AP build is actually pretty strong.
I'd say the weakest skill is probably Jayce melee W. You need to be in range for such a long time that you probably will have exploded or retreated far before you make it deal a decent amount of damage.
My definition of an allin just is when a player commits to an engagement without planning to retreat, with either him or the opponent dying(or opponent retreating).
|
Jayce used to skip levels in W but that's because you basically had to incur damage to use it (contrary to Q poke) and it didn't have the batshit OP broken damage from release hammer-E (which still has absurd damage, %HP everywhere with a damage type opposed to the rest of your kit makes for sensible laning).
Yorick took a point in Q but I don't think he used it much unless he wanted to all-in, considering the way he works. Some Cassiopeia skipped W until 8 too. If you want to play greedy you can sometimes skip W on Viktor (till 8, again), Annie mid systematically skipped E too, now it's back to point in 8 at the latest though, I believe, sometimes even 4 in favorable match-ups?
Malphite tends to skip W for as long as he doesn't need some pushing/clearing, but that's because cleave is not desirable in early laning and the active doesn't have that much impact.
Support Fiddle usually skips drain, Pantheon sometimes skips further ult levels.
|
On November 13 2013 21:42 Alaric wrote:
Jayce used to skip levels in W but that's because you basically had to incur damage to use it (contrary to Q poke) and it didn't have the batshit OP broken damage from release hammer-E (which still has absurd damage, %HP everywhere with a damage type opposed to the rest of your kit makes for sensible laning).
Yorick took a point in Q but I don't think he used it much unless he wanted to all-in, considering the way he works. Some Cassiopeia skipped W until 8 too. If you want to play greedy you can sometimes skip W on Viktor (till 8, again), Annie mid systematically skipped E too, now it's back to point in 8 at the latest though, I believe, sometimes even 4 in favorable match-ups?
Malphite tends to skip W for as long as he doesn't need some pushing/clearing, but that's because cleave is not desirable in early laning and the active doesn't have that much impact.
Support Fiddle usually skips drain, Pantheon sometimes skips further ult levels.
AP sion can/should skip both ult and E until Q and W are maxed out
|
Didn't he take a point in E at 4 anyway because one-shoting the creep wave with W still gave him the bonus HP ?
Jayce skipped ult levels too, because Q and (especially) E were that broken on release. I don't think Elise did, though? Some people skipped starcall entirely on Soraka too.
|
On November 13 2013 21:53 Alaric wrote:
Didn't he take a point in E at 4 anyway because one-shoting the creep wave with W still gave him the bonus HP ?
Jayce skipped ult levels too, because Q and (especially) E were that broken on release. I don't think Elise did, though? Some people skipped starcall entirely on Soraka too.
Yeah you can do that, but it delays your Q dmg, I've been playing for about 30 games recently cause Misaya played him. Q/W all the way, feels strong.
|
On November 13 2013 19:55 TheYango wrote:
Somehow enjoying playing different heroes became a negative reflection on one's character, depth of thought about the game and willingness to improve?
its not a necessary causation but there's definitely correlation
If you want to be a good runner the best way to is to train the same sprint distances most of the time, best way to get good at chess is to play mostly same openings etc
there's a difference between enjoying playing different heroes and GETTING BORED playing the same hero. pretty much everyone enjoys playing different heroes but its usually people who aren't concentrating (properly) on improving get actively bored with the same hero
STAPPH TWISTING MY WORDS YANGER
checking back your original words were "can't stand" playing the same thing over and over
|
Czech Republic11293 Posts
I thought it is pretty much universally agreed that the best way to improve is 1/few champions at a time, so someone who plays a lot of different heroes all the time will be rightfully thought of as someone who doesn't care about improving that much.
|
yeah but your previous sig of "if you rage at your teammates you care more about your petty feelings than winning the game" would indicate anyone who's raging also doesn't want to improve that much. Which his true, but would also be widely disputed since people who rage more might want to win more. (not that that has anything to do with improving but it could be perceived as such)
|
Czech Republic11293 Posts
But that is just people being stupid and doesn't have anything to do with anything I just said
come again?
|
that's what she said
I'm kind of agreeing with you, just saying that "someone who plays a lot of different heroes will be rightfully thought of as someone who doesn't care about improving that much" is something I imagine a lot of people would disagree with
|
Czech Republic11293 Posts
They can come and fite me
|
I sent my application to Riot to be the new S4 shoutcaster.
Wish me luck guys.
|
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 13 2013 23:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
I sent my application to Riot to be the new S4 shoutcaster.
Wish me luck guys.
If you make it pls give shoutouts.
|
On November 13 2013 23:25 Fusilero wrote:Show nested quote +On November 13 2013 23:23 mr_tolkien wrote:
I sent my application to Riot to be the new S4 shoutcaster.
Wish me luck guys. If you make it pls give shoutouts.
Well if I make it first I'd like to keep my job... :p
|
Bruce Lee said, "I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times."
Playing random champions once every bluemoon may make the game less boring and repeated, and may give you some new knowledge about champion mechanics and stuff, but ultimately it's not gonna help you improve much. You have to commit quite a good amount of time on the champions to actually make it worthwhile.
|
With s4 pending I'm curious how tllolgd feels about the boot upgrades in s3?
I know homeguard is 99% of them and I like the addition for the most part. Maybe homeguard needs to be nerfed or the others buffed.
|
On November 13 2013 22:22 Scip wrote:
I thought it is pretty much universally agreed that the best way to improve is 1/few champions at a time, so someone who plays a lot of different heroes all the time will be rightfully thought of as someone who doesn't care about improving that much.
A lot of what is "universally agreed" in the LoL community isn't the full truth.
|
United Kingdom50293 Posts
On November 13 2013 23:50 JonnyLaw wrote:
With s4 pending I'm curious how tllolgd feels about the boot upgrades in s3?
I know homeguard is 99% of them and I like the addition for the most part. Maybe homeguard needs to be nerfed or the others buffed.
Distortion is sick on stuff like TP singed, furor is pretty nice on ADCs and I've had some use for alacrity on stuff like annie mid. Never ever used captain except for when I'm screwing around I hope that it gets looked at because it's a cool concept it's just in reality it was useless. That being said the first three are all pretty contextual I'd say 99% of the time I took homeguard in the end it's just too good to overlook.
They'd better not screw with things like homeguard shen ults or homeguard TPs because that stuff is too awesome.
|
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
