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Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 30 2013 16:18 GMT
#241
I can definitely see Urgot being pretty good against melee assassins in a solo lane. I've never done this myself, I'm too in love with Lissandra in that specific type of matchup.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 30 2013 16:19 GMT
#242
On October 31 2013 01:15 JonGalt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 01:11 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:10 Numy wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:06 JonGalt wrote:
If pinks are going to be visible I definitely see some issues with stealth characters. it would be cool if pink wards invisible when you were sheathed and visible when not.

I kinda like the trinket idea. there could be some interesting strats like mid/jungle/support going sweeper for super roaming squads.

the way wards and vision will work seem like there will be a lot of positional play and leap frogging with wards. like siege tank play. if you see an enemy team warding on one side heavily, with proper counting you can use that info to flank them. that's what I'm hoping for at least.


Oh, unless they change something or reveal new info, Eve is perma ban for me because of the pink change.


As soon as I read that change I had the same thought. Surely Riot had the same idea too so there must be something we are missing.



Surely someone looked at the S2 Worlds stage set up and thought "what about the sun?" cuz that was my first thought.


Solari scum.

also, ketara have you played urgot in a solo lane? his kit is clearly anti carry, but he seems far better at dealing with an assassin rather than a DPSer.


Ketara likes to ignore me now when I talk about Urgot. I've played with him in almost 10 games doing Leona/Urgot and now he won't discuss actual gameplay with me.
Hey! How you doin'?
Alaric
Profile Joined November 2009
France45622 Posts
October 30 2013 16:20 GMT
#243
I remember release Talon terroring top lane because his base mp5 made Rake a significant harass tool.
Cheekiness aside, it's interesting to notice how he was perceived as strong enough to bully there when he has no built-in sustain nor defensive mechanics of any kind (nor even good base stats) and said harass tool was a 600 range cone on a 10s cd. That was a bit before or after top lane was qualified as "farm fest sustain island".

On October 31 2013 01:06 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 01:00 Requizen wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:59 Fusilero wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:58 Requizen wrote:
I remember a time when picking any assassin was met with derision and trolling comments.

Rtoi plz

Rito pls, I want to see more riveting karthus matches.

Froggen 66 minute Anivia games were just fascinating.

Your sarcasm, my actual thoughts. Anivia games rock.

Now I know where your irrational hate of assassins comes from (and am left to wonder why you complain how they can 100-0 people with a single item when she 100-50 without any).
Cant take LMS hipsters serious.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
October 30 2013 16:22 GMT
#244
wtf? I just got nightmare chogath in the mystery gifts o_o
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
October 30 2013 16:22 GMT
#245
On October 31 2013 01:19 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 01:15 JonGalt wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:11 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:10 Numy wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:06 JonGalt wrote:
If pinks are going to be visible I definitely see some issues with stealth characters. it would be cool if pink wards invisible when you were sheathed and visible when not.

I kinda like the trinket idea. there could be some interesting strats like mid/jungle/support going sweeper for super roaming squads.

the way wards and vision will work seem like there will be a lot of positional play and leap frogging with wards. like siege tank play. if you see an enemy team warding on one side heavily, with proper counting you can use that info to flank them. that's what I'm hoping for at least.


Oh, unless they change something or reveal new info, Eve is perma ban for me because of the pink change.


As soon as I read that change I had the same thought. Surely Riot had the same idea too so there must be something we are missing.



Surely someone looked at the S2 Worlds stage set up and thought "what about the sun?" cuz that was my first thought.


Solari scum.

also, ketara have you played urgot in a solo lane? his kit is clearly anti carry, but he seems far better at dealing with an assassin rather than a DPSer.


Ketara likes to ignore me now when I talk about Urgot. I've played with him in almost 10 games doing Leona/Urgot and now he won't discuss actual gameplay with me.


I mean, it's cool that you're having success and all, but it's hardly indicative of the champion not needing buffs.

I maintain pretty good scores with Lux in ranked but Lux isn't overpowered (although hilariously she hasn't really been touched at all since back when she was considered overpowered)
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 16:24:57
October 30 2013 16:23 GMT
#246
On October 31 2013 01:20 Alaric wrote:
I remember release Talon terroring top lane because his base mp5 made Rake a significant harass tool.
Cheekiness aside, it's interesting to notice how he was perceived as strong enough to bully there when he has no built-in sustain nor defensive mechanics of any kind (nor even good base stats) and said harass tool was a 600 range cone on a 10s cd. That was a bit before or after top lane was qualified as "farm fest sustain island".

Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 01:06 cLutZ wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:00 Requizen wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:59 Fusilero wrote:
On October 31 2013 00:58 Requizen wrote:
I remember a time when picking any assassin was met with derision and trolling comments.

Rtoi plz

Rito pls, I want to see more riveting karthus matches.

Froggen 66 minute Anivia games were just fascinating.

Your sarcasm, my actual thoughts. Anivia games rock.

Now I know where your irrational hate of assassins comes from (and am left to wonder why you complain how they can 100-0 people with a single item when she 100-50 without any).


Base damage champions are a lot more prevalent than champions who get insane damage with just an item or two.

On October 31 2013 01:22 Ketara wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 01:19 Zdrastochye wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:15 JonGalt wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:11 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:10 Numy wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:07 jcarlsoniv wrote:
On October 31 2013 01:06 JonGalt wrote:
If pinks are going to be visible I definitely see some issues with stealth characters. it would be cool if pink wards invisible when you were sheathed and visible when not.

I kinda like the trinket idea. there could be some interesting strats like mid/jungle/support going sweeper for super roaming squads.

the way wards and vision will work seem like there will be a lot of positional play and leap frogging with wards. like siege tank play. if you see an enemy team warding on one side heavily, with proper counting you can use that info to flank them. that's what I'm hoping for at least.


Oh, unless they change something or reveal new info, Eve is perma ban for me because of the pink change.


As soon as I read that change I had the same thought. Surely Riot had the same idea too so there must be something we are missing.



Surely someone looked at the S2 Worlds stage set up and thought "what about the sun?" cuz that was my first thought.


Solari scum.

also, ketara have you played urgot in a solo lane? his kit is clearly anti carry, but he seems far better at dealing with an assassin rather than a DPSer.


Ketara likes to ignore me now when I talk about Urgot. I've played with him in almost 10 games doing Leona/Urgot and now he won't discuss actual gameplay with me.


I mean, it's cool that you're having success and all, but it's hardly indicative of the champion not needing buffs.

I maintain pretty good scores with Lux in ranked but Lux isn't overpowered (although hilariously she hasn't really been touched at all since back when she was considered overpowered)


Yeah but I want to actually discuss it, you know, with live data. If you buff a champion who can already work (but nobody tries him out) then once people start playing the buffed version, you create a problem, that you end up nerfing.
Hey! How you doin'?
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 16:26:45
October 30 2013 16:24 GMT
#247
On October 31 2013 01:18 Ketara wrote:
I can definitely see Urgot being pretty good against melee assassins in a solo lane. I've never done this myself, I'm too in love with Lissandra in that specific type of matchup.


I see that, but are you going to try him in a solo lane? you got so heated about it and I am wondering if you will pursue trying to make him work.

edit: totally read your post wrong. fixed for clarification.
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
Ketara
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States15065 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 16:28:47
October 30 2013 16:27 GMT
#248
I have not played very much Urgot, although he is one of my favorite champions, his kit is really unique and cool. I've probably played 10 Urgot games total ever. I've tried him mid once or twice and it felt fairly weak but I don't remember what the matchups were.

My argument about him needing buffs is pretty purely numbers based. I don't think you need to go past that, his numbers are pretty blatantly inferior to modern champions.

And I think it's sad that such a unique champion is being left out of this round of give-minor-numbers-buffs-to-old-champions that they're doing. Urgot ult is 120 mana Riot plz.
http://www.liquidlegends.net/forum/lol-general/502075-patch-61-league-of-legends-general-discussion?page=25#498
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
October 30 2013 16:33 GMT
#249
What about his numbers of winning lanes when paired with Leona? What % of games would I have to win for you to conclude that he's not actually in need of buffs? I'm determined to collect as much data as you need.
Hey! How you doin'?
JonGalt
Profile Joined February 2013
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 16:36:47
October 30 2013 16:35 GMT
#250
But what if we compared his numbers to non ADC. maybe compared to zed, fizz, Ahri, LeBlanc, Kassadin. I picked those because he seems very anti assassin. I'm not expecting him to be better than all of them, but I feel like he could do well in some of those matchups.

it just seems like he really needs to be played in a solo lane, but everyone compares him to a duo lane. I will probably explore numbers tomorrow, but the sun is going down so I won't have much charge for the night.

edit: the 120 CD on his ultimate blows though haha
LiquidLegends StaffWho is Jon Galt?
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
October 30 2013 16:37 GMT
#251
On October 31 2013 01:33 Zdrastochye wrote:
What about his numbers of winning lanes when paired with Leona? What % of games would I have to win for you to conclude that he's not actually in need of buffs? I'm determined to collect as much data as you need.

Join Korean team, pick urgot every game, win carry every game, win every OGN, win World's s4.
liftlift > tsm
Zdrastochye
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Ivory Coast6262 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 16:46:06
October 30 2013 16:45 GMT
#252
On October 31 2013 01:37 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 31 2013 01:33 Zdrastochye wrote:
What about his numbers of winning lanes when paired with Leona? What % of games would I have to win for you to conclude that he's not actually in need of buffs? I'm determined to collect as much data as you need.

Join Korean team, pick urgot every game, win carry every game, win every OGN, win World's s4.


But the more important thing is... would I then get Ketara's approval?

Chalk this up to I can put real, hard in game numbers behind Urgot's ability to carry games without the need for buffs, if the community Ketara can stomach being wrong on this one.
Hey! How you doin'?
obesechicken13
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10467 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 17:04:34
October 30 2013 16:52 GMT
#253
On October 31 2013 01:33 Zdrastochye wrote:
What about his numbers of winning lanes when paired with Leona? What % of games would I have to win for you to conclude that he's not actually in need of buffs? I'm determined to collect as much data as you need.

Olaf always comes up as a counterexample of a champion no one liked to play against but had a shitty win rate.
I think in our modern age technology has evolved to become more addictive. The things that don't give us pleasure aren't used as much. Work was never meant to be fun, but doing it makes us happier in the long run.
Taktik
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland680 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 16:55:09
October 30 2013 16:53 GMT
#254
Only one post about J4 nerf? Holy crap that could be huge (especially for bad players like me xd). Have to test it in custom or smth, from 260 to 180 looks big on paper.
Dusty
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States3359 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-10-30 17:00:39
October 30 2013 16:55 GMT
#255
On October 31 2013 01:53 Taktik wrote:
Only one post about J4 nerf? Holy crap that could be huge (especially for bad players like me xd). Have to test it in custom or smth o__O


They made it so you actually have to land your combo to knock people up now, you can't miss and still get a knockup even though you got hit by nothing

edit: or at least I hope so
Osmoses
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Sweden5302 Posts
October 30 2013 16:56 GMT
#256
J4 is off my autoban list. Because his ganks are no longer complete and utter fucking bullshit.
Excuse me hun, but what is your name? Vivian? I woke up next to you naked and, uh, did we, um?
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 30 2013 16:56 GMT
#257
good, don't have to ban J4 anymore
Kiett
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States7639 Posts
October 30 2013 17:06 GMT
#258
What happened to Ahri? Is she bugged?

http://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/1pjjck/disable_ahri_and_fix_her/
Writer:o
Kyrie
Profile Joined June 2013
1594 Posts
October 30 2013 17:08 GMT
#259
q does double damage (2 magic and 2 true damage instances) at the very end of its range
AsnSensation
Profile Joined April 2011
Germany24009 Posts
October 30 2013 17:10 GMT
#260
why isn't she disabled?:D so much for "we can disable buggy champs on the fly now" :D probably not more than one and Aatrox already took that spot ?
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